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Srinivas I understand your emotions , but just a bare comparison of progress of indian centrifuge program of 1997 and progress in 2008 , shows it is too fast even by standards of Europe , Urenco shifted to new design every 5-7 years .

I believe all through 1980s to 1997 india was trying to achieve a working CNOR centrifuge ( the base of each CNOR rotor is supported by only a ball and pin arrangement the ball is small in size and there is a special itching on which the entire rotor is supported and this rotor has to move at 2000 RPM per second!!! ) needless to say P2 , P3 , P4 is even more sophisticated .

The most surprising fact is Indian Establishment which diplomatically tries to corner Pakistan on serious issues like nuclear weapons threat , or terrorist attack by Pakistani citizens in india or should have done for nuclear proliferation was completely silent on A Q Khan affair , which raises further doubts.
What ever floats your boat and helps you sleep mate is fine by me:)
hel! !!!! why not claim that we even got our IT sector boom because of what we stole from Pakistan , it sounds more believable that the BS spewed above.
 
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Srinivas I understand your emotions , but just a bare comparison of progress of indian centrifuge program of 1997 and progress in 2008 , shows it is too fast even by standards of Europe , Urenco shifted to new design every 5-7 years .

Let me tell you one thing, science and technology, R&D are directly dependent on economy. From 2000 to 2008 India's economy performed well at the same time Chinese rise made Indian establishment nervous.
It is natural for any country to concentrate on Nuclear deterrent and allocate more funds. India did the same. If Pakistan which is a smaller country and is almost 1/5 th economy at that time can assemble a centrifuge then India can do it much better.
Indian space program matured and sent Mars orbiter which no Asian nation is yet to achieve. How did that happen in short time??
I believe all through 1980s to 1997 india was trying to achieve a working CNOR centrifuge ( the base of each CNOR rotor is supported by only a ball and pin arrangement the ball is small in size and there is a special itching on which the entire rotor is supported and this rotor has to move at 2000 RPM per second!!! ) needless to say P2 , P3 , P4 is even more sophisticated .

Sophisticated but not impossible to build. India did the atomic tests in 1998 keeping in mind the nexus of China and Pakistan, within 10 years with growing economy and access to technology all over the world India can assemble the sophisticated centrifuges.

The most surprising fact is Indian Establishment which diplomatically tries to corner Pakistan on serious issues like nuclear weapons threat , or terrorist attack by Pakistani citizens in india or should have done for nuclear proliferation was completely silent on A Q Khan affair , which raises further doubts.

You can check any media, they all pointed and gave coverage of nuclear proliferation done by A Q Khan, the reasoning in this regard is silly dude !!


Pakistan bought most of the technology from China and some through other means. But the main supplier is China, they even tested your atomic bomb. When Pakistan done the nuclear tests in 1998 it is just for public consumption, They know that Chinese made Bomb is tested ok.
 
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Dear members ,

I have read quite lot about pakistan nuclear programs specially the weapons and enrichment program .

One thing that certainly I find intriguing is indian centrifuge program was stuck on ( I am using pakistan equivalent here P1 ) which was barely operational.

Let me quote from South asian voices where Pakistan analyst Mansoor Ahmed , has felt same as I say here. Here he has quoted india enrichment progress from 1980s to 1997 , as you see it was dismal , by that time kahuta was on P2 with some 15000 machines in operation (1997) , it was already in final stage of p3 or would have built p3 and P4 design was also nearing completion ( a q Khan was able to copy P1 90% of the design , though critical components were then built by pak scientist , I even have their name of scientist but leave it for another thread )

The experimental centrifuge program’s first milestone was achieved in 1986 with the installation of the first cascade consisting of about 100 machines that was able to produce 2% enriched uranium. The same year, India’s Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) began construction of a larger centrifuge enrichment facility—the Rare Materials Plant—at Rattelhali, Mysore which was commissioned around 1990. Although it was originally designed to house 5000 centrifuges, India was only able to achieve a breakthrough in 1997 with the development of super-critical centrifuges, but the desired number of machines could not be built. Ten years later, RMP still had only about 3000 centrifuges (15000 SWU) in two or three cascades. For two decades, India was only able to develop sub-critical centrifuge machines from domestically produced maraging steel that were inefficient and fraught with technical issues and suffered frequent break-downs. These were most likely derivatives of the 1950-60s era Zippe-type centrifuge machines whose design was publicly known, while the DAE may have substituted aluminum rotors with maraging steel to achieve greater rotating velocities. The then-Chairman of India’s Atomic Energy Commission, P. K. Iyengar acknowledged in a March 1992 interview that while india has succeeded in producing highly enriched uranium, the country’s centrifuge program was still facing technical difficulties. The same year, Raja Ramanna, former Chairman of India’s AEC also admitted that india was working on more efficient and super-critical centrifuges.

Now flash back to 2008 , when BARC head declared the centrifuge design breakthrough in just 10 years -

India had completed design of P2!! , P3 , & P4 !! type centrifuge , and even probably Tc 11/12 equivalent Indian centrifuge using carbon fibre rotor was completed or final testing !!! I believe from technical data of TC 11 and TC 12 that BARC must have already completed TC 12 design. ( China is already ahead on 7th generation TC 12 is 6 th generation , equivalent to P6 ). It has already been reported that an 3000 and 6000 centrifuge plant is being built at Mysore , of TC 12 design , giving Mysore SWU output 30-40% more than KRL once the cascades are complete.

P4 ( which is a complex design , even Iran will find it difficult to go to P4 from P2 , also A Q Khan got p2 design but P3 and P4 had to be developed by Pakistani scientist at KRL , it was effort of many years atleast from 1985 to 2000.

Now as A Q Khan network was being dismantled , Swiss investigators searched the home of Urs Tinners in Switzerland and what IAEA discovered ( when Swiss police allowed them to view the electronic data ) that the Tinners had saved 1.3 TB of data ( email , fax copies scandal tons of paperwork data , and hundreds of electronic blueprints) , it contained electronic blueprints of P1 and P2 as given to Libya , Iran including cascades of 5892 centrifuges to design HEU bomb in case of P2 , with complete blueprint to enrich uranium to 90% in the final 1500 machine cascade. Now , suddenly once the p1 and p2 got over the IAEA noticed another file which had complete Blueprints including cascade design for the P4 , include how to make 90% enrich by P4 . Complete piping data , measurements etc. there were also Pakistan compact bomb designs , This bomb design was far more complex , brilliantly engineered and compact and easy to fit on missile and weighting less than one ton.

As already shown it is not possible unless some one had accessed the electronic data , copied from somewhere , the files were copied 7 times , when they were on Tinners computer infact the files was just a plain copy of the main data that was copied from SMB computers in Dubai.

Seeing indias progress in 1980 - 1990 it can be concluded that BARC scientist got hold of crucial data of P2 and P4 , between 1997 and 2004 , it seems that ISI and Musharraf had got wind of this and when he questioned A Q Khan on the advanced stage of Indian centrifuge , A Q Khan admitted that some one from his network had leaked data and components , then he said that he was exploited by Farruq indian Dubai connection , finally both Musharraf and A Q Khan state that there were a lot of Indian working at SMB , Dubai , and they left there jobs about the time the network was to be dismantled. ( On indian defence forums already there is news of RAW agents in Dubai and then doing leaving their jobs to not be exposed to CIA or MI6 , nothing as of has being denied neither confirmed about this by Indian govt.)
You want to convey a total mythical story bro? Siting in Dubai, big Lol.

we needed a reason to acquire nukes :)
It is same like USSR sold the A-bomb to US, after Manhattan project.
 
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Pakistan bought most of the technology from China and some through other means. But the main supplier is China, they even tested your atomic bomb. When Pakistan done the nuclear tests in 1998 it is just for public consumption, They know that Chinese made Bomb is tested ok.


Considering your quick dismissal, your post reeks of bias and willful ignorance. Please go through a thread posted by fellow Indian on the origins of the Pakistani nuclear program before spilling more of your "intelligence" here.
The Untold Story | The Real Father of Pakistan's Nuclear Progarm.
 
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You want to convey a total mythical story bro? Siting in Dubai, big Lol.

Pakistan started nuclear program in early 70s, by mid 80s they had Bombs already categorized, alphabetized, miniaturized ready for planes and missiles...all that in less than 15 years, now that's a mythical story.
 
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We tested a bomb in 1974.
U guys in 1998

Rest is bullshit.

:coffee:

Depends on the sophistication of the weapon. Tests have little to do with capability... Israel hasn't tested a single bomb but they've had nuclear weapons since 73.
 
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India's nuclear program started in 1950's and India is officially a nuclear power in 1974.

For a country like India gaining tech from Pakistan is dangerous and India will never do that.

Tata Institute of Fundamental Research was founded on 1st June1945 with support from the Sir Dorabji Tata Trust.The Cosmic Ray Group was the first to start functioning. The Nuclear Emulsion and the Electron Magnetism Group started in 1953. Work in Computer Science and Technology in 1954, and the first pilot machine became operational in 1956. The full scale machine, later named the TIFRAC was commissioned in February 1960.
 
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@Defenceaffairs

it is an open fact that RAW espionage Pakistan's Nuclear Program for a log time..I remember studying a book of former RAW agent(Mohanlal Bhaskar) who said that India espionaged this program even during 1960s.but that has nothing to do with Indian achievement on this field as India started its nuclear program since 1950s and you can't simply reach on the conclusion that India implemented these designs on this frame which is fast,so they derived this from Covert Op.

a country can even make these capabilities using foreign experts(Covert Assistance or Normal),and Indian Nuclear Reactor on Arihant is a proof for this..though I'd not say that Espionage has nothing to do with advancement on this sector as every country steals from other.

by the way,AKH has many beans to spill yet,even though he's a pathetic liar and sometimes,he claims unbelievable facts.
 
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We ae building 490 mw,630mw phwr's(many) and 470 mw fast breeder reactors.
We already have built many 202 mw ones too and 490 mw ones.

While u guys haven't even mastered the 300 mw and 340 mw pwr plants being built,,which are built under chinese designs.
Nuclear power in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nuclear power in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That punctures ur theory.Sorry.

U will say weapons are different from reactors and there too we conducted the test 24 years earlier than u guys.
U simply loose on all counts:coffee:

BARC also proposed a design for 900 MW power.
 
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We ae building 490 mw,630mw phwr's(many) and 470 mw fast breeder reactors.
We already have built many 202 mw ones too and 490 mw ones.

While u guys haven't even mastered the 300 mw and 340 mw pwr plants being built,,which are built under chinese designs.
Nuclear power in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nuclear power in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That punctures ur theory.Sorry.

U will say weapons are different from reactors and there too we conducted the test 24 years earlier than u guys.
U simply loose on all counts:coffee:

First its lose.. not loose. Secondly, please come up with a better theory than that. Like I told you earlier, give me something more substantial or basically you are just copy pasting data to prove a point that is NOT even in discussion.

The issue was the origin of Pakistan's nuclear program and not who has it better right now. So go suck your own phallus elsewhere if that is all you wish to do instead of properly debating the issue.

by the way,AKH has many beans to spill yet,even though he's a pathetic liar and sometimes,he claims unbelievable facts.

Wont be too many to spill. The man is more of a braggart than anything else and from the start was interesting in filling his own coffers, the rumours surrounding him and his tendencies to dish out Rolex's to employees and guests alike are not unfounded.
 
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First its lose.. not loose. Secondly, please come up with a better theory than that. Like I told you earlier, give me something more substantial or basically you are just copy pasting data to prove a point that is NOT even in discussion.

The issue was the origin of Pakistan's nuclear program and not who has it better right now. So go suck your own phallus elsewhere if that is all you wish to do instead of properly debating the issue.

I need not give u anything,,its for everyone and anyone to see who is ahead even today.
And thanks for pointing out the typo........

On debate u have nothing to contribute,,,so stop stretching it further with ur phallus.:lol:
 
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