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Indian Establishment Dying To Take Credit For Iran - US Deal - An Honest Indian Speaks

Why doesnt the Indian establishment and Internet warriors wait for sometime and see if it succeed beyond imagination then claim the credit wrong or right .

What if the entire process was temporary oxygen injectiong

Why Indians should restrict their views ? Has this been a normal practice for all the posters of this fora on different issues ? I know many Pakistani who were dreaming of many confrontations but never thought there will be such deal between US-Iran.

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On topic, why the heading of this thread has been changed with an utterly simple, inferiority ridden rant. Show me one single Indian politician claiming it as Indian achievement. Having said that we are free to foresee advantage in this turn of events, we don't care how uncomfortable Pakistanis are going to be, though.
 
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Bhai, counter with arguments, not mud. If he is wrong, then put out your story.

My intention is not to troll Indians, but to show that they are just as prone to falling for gags as Pakistanis.

You do not want to troll Indians, hence you changed the thread title with a ridiculous certificate of honsty and talked about cultured south Indians and pakistan-like crazy north indians :)

As Roybot pointed out, Bhadrakumar is still stuck in his Moscow Desk. His oipnions are often crazy when the name USA is mentioned. He has NEVER written a sensible opinion peace on his blog about any Indo-American cooperation. His opinion is biased and often downright hateful.

I'm a west indian BTW.
 
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Nations like France requested India's help during Iran nuke deal talks. India is not trying to take any credit here. India did help Iran during its tough time some times defying santions . The writer of article is wrong here. Indians are also good at diplomacy the change of regime of Myanmar form military junta to democracy can be credited to us.

Typos because of window phone.
 
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Why Indians should restrict their views ? Has this been a normal practice for all the posters of this fora on different issues ? I know many Pakistani who were dreaming of many confrontations but never thought there will be such deal between US-Iran.

Regards
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On topic, why the heading of this thread has been changed with an utterly simple, inferiority ridden rant. Show me one single Indian politician claiming it as Indian achievement. Having said that we are free to foresee advantage in this turn of events, we don't care how uncomfortable Pakistanis are going to be, though.

Relax you have all the right to go beyond any limit of exaggeration even. i was merely pointing out to a better wait and assess policy just like i pointed out in that Nato Supply thread.

As i believe claiming a full victory or denial in any case is not a wise assumption
 
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True. But the level of benefit will go down if Iran is not under sanctions. India then will have to pay market prices for the import of Iranian oil and pay hard cash (dollar Euros) instead of the fishy barter trade.
money is not the issue, inspite of all these talk of doom and gloom. The issue is energy security, diversifying source will make sure your energy supply does not stop.
and if iran comes back as major supplier to the world, its good for us.
 
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Bhai, counter with arguments, not mud. If he is wrong, then put out your story.

My intention is not to troll Indians, but to show that they are just as prone to falling for gags as Pakistanis.

What he said should be sufficient.

India did put its money(and a bunch of it) on Iran even while superpowers like the United States and China backed Pakistan as the pivot to central Asia and beyond. The turnaround, if confirmed, by America validates our approach as to who was right all along.

India opposed sanctions on Iran and openly cited it as a violation of UN regulations as long as it could. Of course, we weren't going to deploy our forces over the issue but we stuck around as much as time allowed us.

But I do agree with the author on the issue that there has been a lot of friction between our governments in recent times and it could use some fresh faces to renew the chemistry.


I'm a west indian BTW.

Nice!!! Where from the West Indies are you from? :P
 
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Avoid spin, train mind on new thinking regarding Iran
Hasn’t someone said, ‘Success has a thousand fathers, while failure is an orphan?’ Delhi is the latest claimant to the legacy of having secretly fathered the US-Iranian engagement. The Indian officials are busy planting media stories (in more than one newspaper) that they “always pushed” Iran to talk things over with Uncle Sam.


This’s simply hilarious. Did the Iranians ever need anyone’s “push” to talk to the Americans? For heaven’s sake, they’ve been bending over backward for ages to catch the Eagle’s eye. How many overtures Tehran made? In his briefing at Geneva on Sunday in the wee hours of the morning after a whole night of hard negotiations with the Iranians, US secretary of state John Kerry openly acknowledged this.

In a poignant passage a visibly exhausted Kerry said, “In 1973-19-excuse me, in 2003, when the Iranians made an offer to the former Administration with respect to their nuclear program, there were 164 centrifuges. That offer was not taken. Subsequently, sanctions came in, and today there are 19,000 centrifuges and growing. So people have a responsibility to make judgment about this choice [to engage Iran].”

The heart of the matter is that Washington was not interested in engaging Iran — that is, until Barack Obama became president. Like an associate professor at the US Naval Postgraduate School at Monterey James Russell asked plaintively earlier this week, ‘Barack, Where Have You Been?”

No, Sir, Indian officials kept great distance from Iranians during the recent decade under the UPA government when the US-Iran standoff began hotting up. If they went anywhere near the Iranians, that was to attract American attention and to generate some diplomatic leverage vis-a-vis Washington — indeed, the Iranians understood it perfectly well, too — and even joked openly about our shenanigans.

And if like chameleons the Indian officials are changing colour today, the reason for that is not too difficult to seek — Delhi wants to be in the gravy train starting from Geneva under American supervision. If Washington engages Tehran, can Delhi be far behind?

The plain truth is that the Americans and Iranians began talking directly in great secrecy once Obama decided it’s about time to do that. Neither Washington nor Tehran needed prompting. Curiously, Kerry himself used to be a back channel.

Neither the Americans nor the Iranians wanted any third party messing around with their secret contacts. The sole exception they made was for the enlightened Sultan of Oman, who was trusted in Tehran despite being a GCC leader.

Suffice to say, the Iranians always sought direct contact with the Americans and they were determined to have it — and under Obama’s watch they got it.

Where do our chaps come into all this? In fact, it was only fairly recently that the Indian foreign-policy establishment began figuring out that the US-Iranian standoff is steadily giving way to constructive engagement. If you look back, the UPA government has been having a roaring romance with the Sunni Arab oligarchies of the Persian Gulf through much of the past decade.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited Tehran alright but to attend the NAM summit, whereas he travelled far and wide in the Gulf Arab oligarchies seeking ‘bilaterals’. Wouldn’t Tehran have taken note? The PM bent protocol to go to the airport to receive King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia — the only time he did until then was to receive George W. Bush.

Indeed, UPA government made some big blunders in the West Asia policies — such as the mission undertaken by Defence Minister A. K. Antony to Saudi Arabia under the mistaken notion that we’re about to break the Saudi-Pakistani nexus. On the contrary, where do things stand today?

According to reports, Saudis are hoping to ‘buy’ — or have already bought a few Pakistani nukes. According to a recent Carnegie report, Saudis have subcontracted to the Pakistani brothers the task of training the Salafi fighters to be despatched to the killing fields of Syria.

Again, we refused to launch an Iranian satellite in 2009, while agreeing to launch an Israeli spy satellite only a few months back. Have we forgotten that we attended the first meeting of the Saudi-sponsored ‘Friends of Syria’? The lay of the land was quite visible.

The Sunni Arab regimes of the Persian Gulf and Israel carried such immense clout with the Indian political and security establishment respectively to influence the UPA government’s West Asia policies, while the Iranians simply hunkered down and hoped that better sense would prevail in Delhi some day.

The big question today is whether the Iranians will easily forget all that happened. Clearly, India-Iran strategic relations, which were nurtured by then Prime Minister Narasimha Rao in the early 1990s and flourished through the NDA government’s rule till 2004 under PM Vajpayee’s leadership, have suffered huge erosion during the UPA I and II under Manmohan Singh. Why this happened doesn’t need much elaboration — both Rao and Vajpayee had a profound grasp of the history and the civlisational flow in our subcontinent through millennia. Looking ahead, fresh thinking is needed in Delhi toward Iran — and of course some hard work becomes necessary to repair the grievous damage that has been caused to the India-Iran relationship. No amount of spin can substitute that.
Avoid spin, train mind on new thinking regarding Iran - Indian Punchline
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I have a lot of respect for Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar. He is perhaps the sanest voice from India. He makes imminent sense, as I would expect from an educated Keralite.

Now let us wait to see North Indians go crazy over a very reasoned article.


There is no North Indian or South Indian,only Indians,when it comes to our foriegn policy.Bhadrakumar is only expressed what he analysed and find out.He has freedom of expression.
But he is a retired bureaucrat so he is not present in our current policy decisions.If there is any news in media then it is media problem.We know well about our speculative media:-)
 
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Why doesnt the Indian establishment and Internet warriors wait for sometime and see if it succeed beyond imagination then claim the credit wrong or right . What if the entire process was temporary oxygen injectiong
Actually India will try to boost its oil trade in these six months before the deal is drafted.
Every single dollar worth of oil, oh btw we are doing business in INR for some time along with barter trade, which will certainly help appreciation of INR.

The oil ministry's calculation that $8.5 billion can be saved if India imports an additional 11 million tonnes of Iranian crude might look feasible, but India's appeal as a customer will wane if the nuclear deal holds and sanctions ease.
Iran nuclear deal may end cheap oil supply for India - The Times of India

But here is a catch. If deal holds for longer time, India will have to pay in dollars. That's where things will be in different direction.
 
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India was always in a unique position of advantage with respect to mediation between Iran & the West due to it's bipartisan tie with both sides. If anything... India could have done lot more diplomatic jargon well earlier. Better late than never...
 
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NRIs (West Settled Indians) spend their waking hours pushing good stories about a real life entity called India

NRPs (West settled Pakistanis) spend their waking hours fighting for a virtual entity called Islam.

Obviously NRIs will win the game of good will any day over Pakistanis.

That my dear friend is the sad truth.

The best thing about indians in Western countries like US, UK, Canada, etc is they focus & only focus on studies & pursuing higher degrees(& obviously higher degrees means higher level of jobs & higher positions...not to forget the immense influence & promotion of their religion, culture & country when they study with pupils of various countries...also education will create strong indian lobby in those countries). It is something Pakistanis in the Western countries need to learn.
 
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India was always in a unique position of advantage with respect to mediation between Iran & the West due to it's bipartisan tie with both sides. If anything... India could have done lot more diplomatic jargon well earlier. Better late than never...

When was the last time India mediated ?

:) infact that is the main point which your Indian writer highlighted.

@KRAIT you are right about benefits India will reap. All we are talking about is that it was NOT India who mediated at all
 
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I haven't gone crazy at all! I know Bhadrakumar personally - a great guy but a trifle out of date.

The fact is that there has been a lot of back channel diplomacy which people are generally unaware of. This has been going on since the past several years. So I'm not surprised if India had a hand in coaxing Iran to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution with the Yanks.

I did not have you in mind when I remarked about Indian trolls. You at least make an effort to be balanced unlike many others.

I am sure that India must have contributed as much as their strategy allowed them. The point that Mr. Bhadrakumar consistently has made over the years is that Indian policy has de-emphasized Iran and sacrificed influence while doing so. India-Iran relations were a foreign policy success story as far as I am concerned, and if I were an Indian, I would be disappointed with change in policy.

I read Mr. Bhadrakumar as often as I am able. I have seen him to correctly forecast trends and scenarios. For example he was the only voice that I heard telling us that Syrian government would likely weather the storm with Russian help, and it happened. So, he might be thought of as being out of date by some, but as far as I am concerned, he is pretty current.

The article is not by M Bhadrakumar, on rediff blogs anyone can be M Bhadrakumar.

Remember the time fake wikileaks stories about India Army chief being posted ;)

I have posted the link. Follow it up and you would know that it is not a good idea to close your mind in face of reality.

I am disappointed in you. I thought you could do better, but first you abuse Mr. Bhadrakumar, and then you come up with a sorry excuse of a story that 'it could be anyone'. I mean are you even awake? Attempt to answer his criticism rather than show your intellectual limitations by abusing. Use you mind my friend.

Its not as though sky has fallen. It is just a 'I told you so' type of article. Mr. M K Bhadrakumar has consistently been making the point over the years that India's sacrificing Iran at the altar of friendship of USA is a bad idea. He is just fed up with bad policy decisions. You do not need to go all reactionary about it. You are lucky that your country has likes of him who can put forth a reasoned criticism of Delhi's policy. Ignore him at your own cost. It is not a PDF troll-fest kind of thread. I do not indulge in those. I put forth this article to show that an honest assessment of India's Iran policy points at serious shortcomings. In the last few years India has lost much of hard work that was put in over two decades.
 
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Actually India will try to boost its oil trade in these six months before the deal is drafted.
Every single dollar worth of oil, oh btw we are doing business in INR for some time along with barter trade, which will certainly help appreciation of INR.

The oil ministry's calculation that $8.5 billion can be saved if India imports an additional 11 million tonnes of Iranian crude might look feasible, but India's appeal as a customer will wane if the nuclear deal holds and sanctions ease.
Iran nuclear deal may end cheap oil supply for India - The Times of India

But here is a catch. If deal holds for longer time, India will have to pay in dollars. That's where things will be in different direction.

Nice to read your perspective KRAIT. You are very right, except perhaps Iran mandating trade in US Dollar. A lot of grief that Iran went through was because of its attempt to displace US Dollar as the primary currency of Energy trade. American Admin does not tolerate any attempt to even talk of an alternative currency.
 
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When was the last time India mediated ?
:) infact that is the main point which your Indian writer highlighted.@KRAIT you are right about benefits India will reap. All we are talking about is that it was NOT India who mediated at all
Its good India didn't mediated to that extent. India just insisted and SUPPORTED peaceful resolution. Mediation would have soured our relations with Israel and KSA. Israel is our major defense partner and KSA is also our good trading partner.

India shouldn't play a bigger role even if has the chance. No point of loosing our other friends for one. That's where smart diplomacy comes in.
Here I agree with you.
 
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Its good India didn't mediated to that extent. India just SUPPORTED peaceful resolution. Mediation would have soured our relations with Israel and KSA. Israel is our major defense partner and KSA is also our good trading partner.

India shouldn't play a bigger role even if has the chance. No point of loosing our other friends for one. That's where smart diplomacy comes in.
Here I agree with you/.

rightly said. and the above mentioned policy was adopted by almost every country that has some links to the issue one or the other.

Hence the moral of the story is that US is the only country that has decided on its own to show some soft attitude for own benefits and the meanwhile some other countries are preparing for laying hands on small or somewhat big benefit
 
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