Indian Establishment Dying To Take Credit For Iran - US Deal - An Honest Indian Speaks

[FaujHistorian]

...... India & Pakistan is not a zero sum game. They can do their thing, we can do ours and it need not be a binary choice. This is my problem with extremists on both ends.
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Well said my friend. Many Indians think Pakistan is a hinderance to the greater Bharat mata, thus Pakistan should be destroyed.

The problem with this apporach is that Pakistan is part and parcel of the region. When you destroy Pakistan or hurt Pakistan, it is like cutting off arms and legs of India itself.

Peace


P.s.

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Our problem is with sectarianism, not religion. .

Sorry to be blunt (I respect you as a poster).

Religious $hit is the seed from where Sectarianism $hit evolves.

The day we rid our fetish with Islamism, sectarianism will automatically go away.


It is not to say that Islam could not remain as something we practice inside our homes for spiritual uplift and moral code,.

But Islamism as our country's main political or constitutional base will simply result in death and destruction as we see it with our own eyes.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

In every news article regarding the Iran situation, or the North Korean situation, or any other major global issue, they reference the P5+1.

It is always the P5+1, i.e. the so-called "major powers".

I guess that's why India wants to make it the P6.

Regarding the Iran deal, that was almost entirely just the USA and Iran. With the rest of the P5+1 acting either as facilitators or opportunists.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Well said my friend. Many Indians think Pakistan is a hinderance to the greater Bharat mata, thus Pakistan should be destroyed.

The problem with this apporach is that Pakistan is part and parcel of the region. When you destroy Pakistan or hurt Pakistan, it is like cutting off arms and legs of India itself.

Peace


P.s.



Sorry to be blunt (I respect you as a poster).
Religious $hit is the seed from where Sectarianism $hit evolves.

The day we rid our fetish with Islamism, sectarianism will automatically go away.


It is not to say that Islam could not remain as something we practice inside our homes for spiritual uplift and moral code,.

But Islamism as our country's main political or constitutional base will simply result in death and destruction as we see it with our own eyes.

1. Yeah I understand the thing about Indians thinking of South Asia as one country and Paksitan being a hindrance. But I think times have changed and a sizeable percentage, if not a majority in India, is resigned to accepting Pakistan as a reality. I have no problem with taking a few risks and befriending India. Pakistan is not the insecure country that it used to be.

2. About role of religion. Let us agree to disagree. I am in no mood for an argument. Suffice to say that extremist Deobandis are not even majority of Deobandis, not to talk of all others. Just today I spoke with my Shia lawyer and he was pretty dismissive of many myths on both sides. So, we know how to handle ourselves within a certain framework. Apna Maslak mat ChoRo, doosray ka Maslam mat CheyRo. The problem is mainly with Mullahs making a bid for power using their position as sectarian leaders. Again the problem is with Sectarianism, not religion. Nationalsim is no substitute for religion as a higher ideology. We Pakistanis have it mostly right with room for improvement.

I am purposely reducing a complex problem to a couple of sentences, but I can support my case with logic and examples. Just not today.

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

NRIs (West Settled Indians) spend their waking hours pushing good stories about a real life entity called India

NRPs (West settled Pakistanis) spend their waking hours fighting for a virtual entity called Islam.

Obviously NRIs will win the game of good will any day over Pakistanis.

That my dear friend is the sad truth.

No, more like "Ummah", or to be specific the "Saudi" "Ummah".

 

[FaujHistorian]

No, more like "Ummah", or to be specific the "Saudi" "Ummah".

Sunni Pakistanis support false idols of Saudi Ummah
Shia Pakistanis support false idols of Ayatullah's Ummah.
Ahmadi Pakistanis support false idol called Khalifa and his Ummah

So there are at least three pagan idols NRPs support. Saudi idols and Irani idols and an idol connected to Rabwa.

Sadly each of these idol worshippers blame worshippers of other idols and consider them kafir.

Such is the sad story of idol worshippers. And why not. This is what happens to them now, and forever.

 

[nForce]

@FaujHistorian

You are right.Oil may not be cheap any more.A little far-fetched, but quite a possibility.But then again, newer dimensions may also open up, like greater market penetration.

Personally, I was very upset when they decided to close down Irano-Hind.When I was in college, I used to visit the docks and befriended the skipper of one of the Irano-Hind vessels.He used to show tell me a lot of things about ships, demonstrate his ship's radar.
May be they can rollback the decision now...

 

[FaujHistorian]

money is not the issue, inspite of all these talk of doom and gloom. The issue is energy security, diversifying source will make sure your energy supply does not stop.
and if iran comes back as major supplier to the world, its good for us.

A healthy Iran, a global citizen Iran who deosn't support Shia Islamism and terrorism, is good for every fing body.

Heck Pakistan will be a huge beneficiary if Iranian Mullahs stop funding Shia Islamism.

Lebanon too as hopefully Hiz-billas (His cats) and Hiz-kuttas (his dogs) will go away to oblivion.

 

[livingdead]

1. Yeah I understand the thing about Indians thinking of South Asia as one country and Paksitan being a hindrance. But I think times have changed and a sizeable percentage, if not a majority in India, is resigned to accepting Pakistan as a reality. I have no problem with taking a few risks and befriending India. Pakistan is not the insecure country that it used to be.

most Indians think pakistan is the epicenter of islamic terrorism and are just happy that that population is not part of India. Only people who think of united India even now are probably hard code hindutva people(this is all our land) and and hard core liberals (we all are same same, same blood group bla bla).
There has never been a public sentiment infavour of assimilating either pakistan or bangladesh into India, either by force or diplomacy(nor that it was ever possible), good riddance is what you hear on pdf.

 

[FaujHistorian]

most Indians think pakistan is the epicenter of islamic terrorism and are just happy that that population is not part of India. Only people who think of united India even now are probably hard code hindutva people(this is all our land) and and hard core liberals (we all are same same, same blood group bla bla).
There has never been a public sentiment infavour of assimilating either pakistan or bangladesh into India, either by force or diplomacy(nor that it was ever possible), good riddance is what you hear on pdf.

Good riddance. I wish it was true.

But it isn't.

Pakistan shows up as an enemy that took away parts of what you all call "Big Momma Bharat (BoMB)".

So please be honest in your opinion and your posts.

Thank you.

 

[bandit]

Good riddance. I wish it was true.

But it isn't.

Pakistan shows up as an enemy that took away parts of what you all call "Big Momma Bharat (BoMB)".

So please be honest in your opinion and your posts.

Thank you.

Err what he is saying is pretty real.

No one in India takes Pakistan more than a terrorist nuiseance.

Unless you have have some sort of survey or a poll to prove your fancy ideas here...

Or should you instead be looking for some honesty in your own opinions?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Err what he is saying is pretty real.

No one in India takes Pakistan more than a terrorist nuiseance.
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Yeap. it is real. It is like white supremacists calling all black people thief and robber and rapist. Calling them negga

Like the white senator who called an Indian Origin political activist a Makaka.

Indians too have that supremacist mentality. They want to paint 200 million Pakistanis as terrorists.

No difference, Ku Klux Klan and the Brahmanistic Klan.

Same thing.

 

[bandit]

Yeap. it is real. It is like white supremacists calling all black people thief and robber and rapist. Calling them negga

Like the white senator who called an Indian Origin political activist a Makaka.

Indians too have that supremacist mentality. They want to paint 200 million Pakistanis as terrorists.

No difference, Ku Klux Klan and the Brahmanistic Klan.

Same thing.

Sure ,thats why we see Pakistanis in India all the tie singing dancing working in very popular media in india without being called terrorists..

Again, do you have any credible data or evidence to back up your fancy theories(in this case supremacist, Brahmanistic, ...) , or you are just an old hateful man spewing crap....

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sure ,thats why we see Pakistanis in India all the tie singing dancing working in very popular media in india without being called terrorists.....

15 Pakistani singers and actors in India who sing to Indian tunes are good. Who can contest that.

The problems is (as per your previous post)

That Indian intellectuals like yourself view Pakistani nation of 200 million as "terrorist nuisance" (your words not mine).

That my friend is what white senator was doing calling an Indian a Makaka.

Hope you get it this time.

 

[bandit]

15 Pakistani singers and actors in India who sing to Indian tunes are good. Who can contest that.

The problems is (as per your previous post)

That Indian intellectuals like yourself view Pakistani nation of 200 million as "terrorist nuisance" (your words not mine).

That my friend is what white senator was doing calling an Indian a Makaka.

Hope you get it this time.

And you missed the point there is no generalization here, Pakistan as a nation is pretty well set in its throne a terrorist factory of the world.

What those 200 million do is individual choice for them the better ones are welcomed and hardly you Brahmanistic supremacist shows up shouting terrorist or mulla. But then there are kasabs and osamas found in land of the allah just yo often.

So still no evidence of Indian designs to merge pakistan or the fancy Brahmanistic supremacist yet, can I just take it as a figment of your imagination then?

 

[FaujHistorian]

And you missed the point there is no generalization here, Pakistan as a nation is pretty well set in its throne a terrorist factory of the world.

What those 200 million do is individual choice for them the better ones are welcomed and hardly you Brahmanistic supremacist shows up shouting terrorist or mulla. But then there are kasabs and osamas found in land of the allah just yo often.

So still no evidence of Indian designs to merge pakistan or the fancy Brahmanistic supremacist yet, can I just take it as a figment of your imagination then?

First you disrespect the whole of Pakistani nation on a Pakistani forum
then you do this song and dance about merging this or that

Shows your confused state of mind.

When you hate a country because of their nationality,

you ape white senators who call Indians Makaka.


hope you will quit aping.

Thank you.