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Avoid spin, train mind on new thinking regarding Iran
Hasn’t someone said, ‘Success has a thousand fathers, while failure is an orphan?’ Delhi is the latest claimant to the legacy of having secretly fathered the US-Iranian engagement. The Indian officials are busy planting media stories (in more than one newspaper) that they “always pushed” Iran to talk things over with Uncle Sam.


This’s simply hilarious. Did the Iranians ever need anyone’s “push” to talk to the Americans? For heaven’s sake, they’ve been bending over backward for ages to catch the Eagle’s eye. How many overtures Tehran made? In his briefing at Geneva on Sunday in the wee hours of the morning after a whole night of hard negotiations with the Iranians, US secretary of state John Kerry openly acknowledged this.

In a poignant passage a visibly exhausted Kerry said, “In 1973-19-excuse me, in 2003, when the Iranians made an offer to the former Administration with respect to their nuclear program, there were 164 centrifuges. That offer was not taken. Subsequently, sanctions came in, and today there are 19,000 centrifuges and growing. So people have a responsibility to make judgment about this choice [to engage Iran].”

The heart of the matter is that Washington was not interested in engaging Iran — that is, until Barack Obama became president. Like an associate professor at the US Naval Postgraduate School at Monterey James Russell asked plaintively earlier this week, ‘Barack, Where Have You Been?”

No, Sir, Indian officials kept great distance from Iranians during the recent decade under the UPA government when the US-Iran standoff began hotting up. If they went anywhere near the Iranians, that was to attract American attention and to generate some diplomatic leverage vis-a-vis Washington — indeed, the Iranians understood it perfectly well, too — and even joked openly about our shenanigans.

And if like chameleons the Indian officials are changing colour today, the reason for that is not too difficult to seek — Delhi wants to be in the gravy train starting from Geneva under American supervision. If Washington engages Tehran, can Delhi be far behind?

The plain truth is that the Americans and Iranians began talking directly in great secrecy once Obama decided it’s about time to do that. Neither Washington nor Tehran needed prompting. Curiously, Kerry himself used to be a back channel.

Neither the Americans nor the Iranians wanted any third party messing around with their secret contacts. The sole exception they made was for the enlightened Sultan of Oman, who was trusted in Tehran despite being a GCC leader.

Suffice to say, the Iranians always sought direct contact with the Americans and they were determined to have it — and under Obama’s watch they got it.

Where do our chaps come into all this? In fact, it was only fairly recently that the Indian foreign-policy establishment began figuring out that the US-Iranian standoff is steadily giving way to constructive engagement. If you look back, the UPA government has been having a roaring romance with the Sunni Arab oligarchies of the Persian Gulf through much of the past decade.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited Tehran alright but to attend the NAM summit, whereas he travelled far and wide in the Gulf Arab oligarchies seeking ‘bilaterals’. Wouldn’t Tehran have taken note? The PM bent protocol to go to the airport to receive King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia — the only time he did until then was to receive George W. Bush.

Indeed, UPA government made some big blunders in the West Asia policies — such as the mission undertaken by Defence Minister A. K. Antony to Saudi Arabia under the mistaken notion that we’re about to break the Saudi-Pakistani nexus. On the contrary, where do things stand today?

According to reports, Saudis are hoping to ‘buy’ — or have already bought a few Pakistani nukes. According to a recent Carnegie report, Saudis have subcontracted to the Pakistani brothers the task of training the Salafi fighters to be despatched to the killing fields of Syria.

Again, we refused to launch an Iranian satellite in 2009, while agreeing to launch an Israeli spy satellite only a few months back. Have we forgotten that we attended the first meeting of the Saudi-sponsored ‘Friends of Syria’? The lay of the land was quite visible.

The Sunni Arab regimes of the Persian Gulf and Israel carried such immense clout with the Indian political and security establishment respectively to influence the UPA government’s West Asia policies, while the Iranians simply hunkered down and hoped that better sense would prevail in Delhi some day.

The big question today is whether the Iranians will easily forget all that happened. Clearly, India-Iran strategic relations, which were nurtured by then Prime Minister Narasimha Rao in the early 1990s and flourished through the NDA government’s rule till 2004 under PM Vajpayee’s leadership, have suffered huge erosion during the UPA I and II under Manmohan Singh. Why this happened doesn’t need much elaboration — both Rao and Vajpayee had a profound grasp of the history and the civlisational flow in our subcontinent through millennia. Looking ahead, fresh thinking is needed in Delhi toward Iran — and of course some hard work becomes necessary to repair the grievous damage that has been caused to the India-Iran relationship. No amount of spin can substitute that.
Avoid spin, train mind on new thinking regarding Iran - Indian Punchline
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I have a lot of respect for Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar. He is perhaps the sanest voice from India. He makes imminent sense, as I would expect from an educated Keralite.

Now let us wait to see North Indians go crazy over a very reasoned article.
 
NRIs (West Settled Indians) spend their waking hours pushing good stories about a real life entity called India

NRPs (West settled Pakistanis) spend their waking hours fighting for a virtual entity called Islam.

Obviously NRIs will win the game of good will any day over Pakistanis.

That my dear friend is the sad truth.
 
India ultimately benefits irrespective who should be credited.


True. But the level of benefit will go down if Iran is not under sanctions. India then will have to pay market prices for the import of Iranian oil and pay hard cash (dollar Euros) instead of the fishy barter trade.
 
Why doesnt the Indian establishment and Internet warriors wait for sometime and see if it succeed beyond imagination then claim the credit wrong or right .

What if the entire process was temporary oxygen injectiong
 
Iran did it because they thought that was the best thing at this moment.India needs to play it cards wisely to get the maximum out of this situation because some big wigs are already in Iran.
 
India ultimately benefits irrespective who should be credited.

Oh wait a sec, the source is reddif blogs :lol:

No wonder it appeals to those with intellect soiled with Indo-phobia:D

Bhai, counter with arguments, not mud. If he is wrong, then put out your story.

My intention is not to troll Indians, but to show that they are just as prone to falling for gags as Pakistanis.
 
Why doesnt the Indian establishment and Internet warriors wait for sometime and see if it succeed beyond imagination then claim the credit wrong or right .

What if the entire process was temporary oxygen injectiong

When has the Indian stance ever changed? India always supported a peaceful resolution to this Iran-America stand off.

I have a lot of respect for Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar. He is perhaps the sanest voice from India. He makes imminent sense, as I would expect from an educated Keralite.

Now let us wait to see North Indians go crazy over a very reasoned article.

M Bhadrakumar is a communist. He hates everything America, he hates India getting close to America, and is still stuck in cold war era mentality, in short very biased.

As I said earlier, Indian stance has never changed, we always wanted a peaceful resolution of this Iran-America impasse.
 
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NRIs (West Settled Indians) spend their waking hours pushing good stories about a real life entity called India

NRPs (West settled Pakistanis) spend their waking hours fighting for a virtual entity called Islam.

Obviously NRIs will win the game of good will any day over Pakistanis.

That my dear friend is the sad truth.

That is a very reactionary approach my friend. Pakistanis need to get their act together, not necessarily aligned with West's thought. India & Pakistan is not a zero sum game. They can do their thing, we can do ours and it need not be a binary choice. This is my problem with extremists on both ends.

Our problem is with sectarianism, not religion. We have a good constitution, we just need to respect it like Americans do.
 
When has the Indian stance ever changed? India always supported a peaceful resolution to this Iran-America stand off.

:what: :what: we are talking about Indians trying to get credit for US-Iran deal?

BTW everyone was for peaceful resolution to this stand off.

Only India bogged down under pressure viz a viz Iran and end up voting against her.
 
:what: :what: we are talking about Indians trying to get credit for US-Iran deal?

Thats what M Bhadrakumar thinks, a bureaucrat who retired a decade back, not someone who was there or was privy to these information ! No where in the article which Mr Bhadrakumar is referring to, does it say that India solely convinced Iran into talks with the USA and EU.
 
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Now let us wait to see North Indians go crazy over a very reasoned article.
I haven't gone crazy at all! I know Bhadrakumar personally - a great guy but a trifle out of date.

The fact is that there has been a lot of back channel diplomacy which people are generally unaware of. This has been going on since the past several years. So I'm not surprised if India had a hand in coaxing Iran to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution with the Yanks.
 

Thats what M Bhadrakumar thinks, a bureaucrat who retired a decade back, not someone who was there or was privy to these information ! No where in the article which Mr Bhadrakumar is referring to does it say that India solely convinced Iran into talks with the USA and EU.


:))) actually he is commenting on different Indian voices claiming so. And we are debating the same based on his writeup.

You misunderstood or dint even try to read carefully what i said in the earlier post.

even if India gets a credit or claim it, i say wait for sometimes to see how things turn up in the long run to save ones-self from embarrassment also if it goes well one can claim it proudly
 
When has the Indian stance ever changed? India always supported a peaceful resolution to this Iran-America stand off.



M Bhadrakumar is a communist. He hates everything America, he hates India getting close to America, and is still stuck in cold war era mentality, in short very biased.

As I said earlier, Indian stance has never changed, we always wanted a peaceful resolution of this Iran-America impasse.

The article is not by M Bhadrakumar, on rediff blogs anyone can be M Bhadrakumar.

Remember the time fake wikileaks stories about India Army chief being posted ;)
 
:))) actually he is commenting on different Indian voices claiming so. And we are debating the same based on his writeup.

You misunderstood or dint even try to read carefully what i said in the earlier post.

even if India gets a credit or claim it, i say wait for sometimes to see how things turn up in the long run to save ones-self from embarrassment also if it goes well one can claim it proudly

There is nothing of the sort being said right now that could be held against India if things do go pear shape later on.

India has welcomed the thaw in Iran-Western Countries relationship and we ll keep working in our own little capacity to make sure issues are resolved. Its not like India will decide to attack Iran if the talks fall through or something! Indian stance will remain the same, regardless of the outcome of Geneva I and Geneva II, peaceful resolution.

The article is not by M Bhadrakumar, on rediff blogs anyone can be M Bhadrakumar.

Remember the time fake wikileaks stories about India Army chief being posted ;)

Nah its definitely Mr Bhadrakumar, its very much his style of writing.
 

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