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I don't have the habit of making unsubstantiated post , if you have an issue on " Pakistan withdrawal " get clarification from the UN . FYI UN intervened at the request of Indian PM.

UN Resolution Article B



I can't help if you swallow the spin churned by your country's propaganda machineries



Since you unnecessarily drag China into the discussion, I challenge India to reclaim Aksai Chin as its acquisition was a "fraudulent act"
'FYI UN intervened at the request of Indian PM' - The Indian PM acted without Cabinet approval and even without Assembly approval. So he DID NOT act on behalf of the Government but in a private as a common (but influential)man.
Funny that you raise it suddenly - I wonder what happened to your UN love when you were attacking and raping Kashmiris from 1947 October
'I challenge India to reclaim Aksai Chin' - This is not a country of hot headed religious lunatics. So no thanks.
 
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did India hold a free and fair plebiscite to allow the Kashmiris to decide their future. Whether they wish to be part of India as per the 13th Aug 1948 UN resolution, under which Pakistan withdrew in troops from Kashmir ?
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'FYI UN intervened at the request of Indian PM' - The Indian PM acted without Cabinet approval and even without Assembly approval. So he DID NOT act on behalf of the Government but in a private as a common (but influential)man.
Funny that you raise it suddenly - I wonder what happened to your UN love when you were attacking and raping Kashmiris from 1947 October
'I challenge India to reclaim Aksai Chin' - This is not a country of hot headed religious lunatics. So no thanks.

Living in denial? When did Pakistan withdraw it's troops from Kashmir? Would you please care to anser Ganguly's post above and Check your sources before you release hot gas!

You need to understand that legally Kashmir is part of India and it's Pakistan who must be charged with war crimes for killing and raping the people who they claim to liberate!

This is a weakness and wrong move from Indian politicians so that Kashmir is called a disputed territory. It's the high time we must start talking about liberating Pakistan captured Kashmir and guide all discussion on Kashmir issue in this direction.
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Kashmir election 40% turn out on 2002 to 90%voters turnout in 2012 tells a different story and the best testimony level of trust people Kashmir have in constitution and belief that they are better off with India than being with very country who has been killing and raping Kashmiri’s since 1947.
 
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Out of the box thinking, brilliant.

Now the Kashmiris need to create a number of false flags to draw the attention of the world.

Learn from the Syrian rebels!

What are you suggesting?? Like the chemical attack ??:devil:
 
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Since you unnecessarily drag China into the discussion, I challenge India to reclaim Aksai Chin as its acquisition was a "fraudulent act"

Chinese map from 1917 Showing Aksai Chin as the part of India.
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Pakistani stamp from 1960 showing Aksai Chin as the part of Kashmir. :woot:
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the accession of Kashmir is a fraudulent act and a subject of debate, stop crying for the Pakistan invasion,, take a break from killing and raping Kashmiris. After 1947 , what your country did, there's no way India can be trusted ..

Kashmir's accession to India is as legal as accession of Bahawalpur, Chitral, Swat and Khairpur to Pakistan.
 
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'FYI UN intervened at the request of Indian PM' - The Indian PM acted without Cabinet approval and even without Assembly approval. So he DID NOT act on behalf of the Government but in a private as a common (but influential)man.

your point ??? Or is it that Mountbatten, a friend of Nehru, didn't lose an opportunity to help India stop the liberation of Kashmir by the tribal force ?

The Pakistan army had to be deployed in Jammu/Kashmir to halt the Indian offensive, i.e prevent the over running Jammu / Kashmir and closing up on Pakistan ’s border. India was unable to overcome the intensity of the conflict and Nehru had to request for an UN brokered cease fire ..

'I challenge India to reclaim Aksai Chin' - This is not a country of hot headed religious lunatics. So no thanks.

The challenged ( to reclaim 43,000 sq kilometers of Indian territory) was meant for your fellow Indian who claim that China existence was a "fraudulent act",
 
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your point ??? Or is it that Mountbatten, a friend of Nehru, didn't lose an opportunity to help India stop the liberation of Kashmir by the tribal force ?

The Pakistan army had to be deployed in Jammu/Kashmir to halt the Indian offensive, i.e prevent the over running Jammu / Kashmir and closing up on Pakistan ’s border. India was unable to overcome the intensity of the conflict and Nehru had to request for an UN brokered cease fire ..

The challenged ( to reclaim 43,000 sq kilometers of Indian territory) was meant for your fellow Indian who claim that China existence was a "fraudulent act",

So you are now fighting for Tamil Liberation, Kashmir Liberation and Syrian Liberation ........anything else we should know about ? :pop:
 
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1. Point is that it is not the Government of India who went to UN.

2. 'The Pakistan army had to be deployed in Jammu/Kashmir to halt the Indian offensive' - RIP history :angel:

It is no point to carry on. @Aeronaut pls consider closing this thread.
your point ??? Or is it that Mountbatten, a friend of Nehru, didn't lose an opportunity to help India stop the liberation of Kashmir by the tribal force ?

The Pakistan army had to be deployed in Jammu/Kashmir to halt the Indian offensive, i.e prevent the over running Jammu / Kashmir and closing up on Pakistan ’s border. India was unable to overcome the intensity of the conflict and Nehru had to request for an UN brokered cease fire ..



The challenged ( to reclaim 43,000 sq kilometers of Indian territory) was meant for your fellow Indian who claim that China existence was a "fraudulent act",
 
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did India hold a free and fair plebiscite to allow the Kashmiris to decide their future. Whether they wish to be part of India as per the 13th Aug 1948 UN resolution, under which Pakistan withdrew in troops from Kashmir ?
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'FYI UN intervened at the request of Indian PM' - The Indian PM acted without Cabinet approval and even without Assembly approval. So he DID NOT act on behalf of the Government but in a private as a common (but influential)man.
Funny that you raise it suddenly - I wonder what happened to your UN love when you were attacking and raping Kashmiris from 1947 October
'I challenge India to reclaim Aksai Chin' - This is not a country of hot headed religious lunatics. So no thanks.

Living in denial? When did Pakistan withdraw it's troops from Kashmir? Would you please care to anser Ganguly's post above and Check your sources before you release hot gas!

You need to understand that legally Kashmir is part of India and it's Pakistan who must be charged with war crimes for killing and raping the people who they claim to liberate!

This is a weakness and wrong move from Indian politicians so that Kashmir is called a disputed territory. It's the high time we must start talking about liberating Pakistan captured Kashmir and guide all discussion on Kashmir issue in this direction.
FYI
Kashmir election 40% turn out on 2002 to 90%voters turnout in 2012 tells a different story and the best testimony level of trust people Kashmir have in constitution and belief that they are better off with India than being with very country who has been killing and raping Kashmiri’s since 1947.
 
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@manlion *RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE 9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)

THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the Representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the coercion of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation.

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal

PART I

CEASE-FIRE ORDER

1. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease- fire order to apply to all forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

2. The High Commands of Indian and Pakistan forces agreed to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. (For the purpose of these proposals "forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides).

3. The Commanders-in-Chief of the Forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

4. In its discretions and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

5. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further negotiations.



PART II

TRUCE AGREEMENT

Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.

1. (l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission.

2. (1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission

(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be guaranteed.

3. (1) Upon signature, the full text of the Truce Agreement or communiqué containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.


PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.


*The UNCIP unanimously adopted this Resolution on 13-8-1948.

Members of the Commission: Argentina. Belgium, Columbia, Czechoslovakia and U.S.A.

-RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE 9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)

The resolution clearly states:


1.The presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation and the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State….


Question1.Did the Government of Pakistan removed its forces from the State of Kashmir as per UN Resolution of 1948?

2.The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals …………..

Question 2.So, The UN agreed that pashtun tribal who were not a part of Kashmir were fighting along with army regulars you agree?

3.Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission…….. the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order.

Question 3.When the UN commission decided that Indian forces are to be kept to maintain minimum law and order did Pakistan vacate *** as per instructions of the United Nations?

4..When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn……

Question4. Has Pakistan notified the UN or Party to dispute “India” about tribesmen and Pakistani nationals withdrawing from Kashmir?.
 
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You didn't apply your above rules (not holding a plebiscite) in Hyderabad, did you ? Which was the exact opposite to Kashmir , Muslim ruler with a Hindu majority

Pakistan didn't have territorial contiguity with Hyderabad. Like Hyderabad, princely state of Kalat was also annexed by Pakistan.

you know what would be the result if a plebiscite was held in Kashmir in 1948 ???

There was widespread anti-Pakistan anger in Kashmir due to the killings, looting and rapes caused by the Pashtun militia in Kashmir.

@SarthakGanguly you will find this article interesting giving a detail of invasion of Pashtun militias. It was planned by Pakistani army under Brigadier Akbar Khan codenamed General Tariq.

This All Began in 1947
 
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Yeah - my Grandmother told me all those. About the Pashtun invasion and the loot of Baramulla. Muslims were also not spared.
Pakistan didn't have territorial contiguity with Hyderabad. Like Hyderabad, princely state of Kalat was also annexed by Pakistan.



There was widespread anti-Pakistan anger in Kashmir due to the killings, looting and rapes caused by the Pashtun militia in Kashmir.

@SarthakGanguly you will find this article interesting giving a detail of invasion of Pashtun militias. It was planned by Pakistani army under Brigadier Akbar Khan codenamed General Tariq.

This All Began in 1947
 
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Yeah - my Grandmother told me all those. About the Pashtun invasion and the loot of Baramulla. Muslims were also not spared.

We discussed it few months back. I posted lots of links on this thread.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/231723-first-war-india-fought-against-pakistan.html

Yeah - my Grandmother told me all those. About the Pashtun invasion and the loot of Baramulla. Muslims were also not spared.

He mentioned Hyderabad, do you know the Rezakars of Hyderabad were receiving weapons from Pakistan to massacre Hindus here. Some British newspaper mentioned that chartered flights between Pakistan and Hyderabad were brining weapons from Pakistan.
 
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