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I doubt Mi-24s with incendiary rounds gets used often....
Indian Army Para troopers hit an NSCN-K camp located inside myanmar
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I doubt Mi-24s with incendiary rounds gets used often....
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Die National Socialists, die.
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A very trivial operational detail (IMHO).
The cross-border missions happen more reguarly than any of us would ever know.
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Actually, happens on the western border too. Though the details are rather grizly. War is never moral...
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Seems Myanmar supports these ops.
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OK failed attempt to surround these pigs.!!!
Joint operation in short notice!!
These regions are dense. Hunt is on. Talks are on with Myanmar authorities. They are helpless.
Targets are been tracked will be taken down...
Tag me. If you have more. Info
Joint operation in short notice!!
These regions are dense. Hunt is on. Talks are on with Myanmar authorities. They are helpless.
Targets are been tracked will be taken down...
Tag me. If you have more. Info
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A couple of days back I did read a news link on Twitter which I ignored about Indian Security forces officials meeting with Burma Counter parts , so that Burma takes steps against camps on its lands near its border.
I feel Burma might have raised its hand about capability and given a partial green signal to conduct an operation in border areas.
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The story finally
Targeting NSCN(K) camp, Army entered Myanmar
Executed by the Army’s 12 Para, the raid is the first cross-border strike to have become public since last June, when the NSCN(K) was targeted after a strike in Manipur that killed 18 soldiers.
Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi | Updated: August 21, 2016 8:28 am
Mon district in Nagaland. (Source: Google Maps)
Troops involved in an operation targeting an NSCN (Khaplang) military camp crossed several hundred metres into Myanmar territory, highly placed government sources told The Sunday Express. The troops, sources said, crossed the international border near border pillar 151, near the village of Chen Moho, spending several hours inside Myanmar before fire contact was made with the insurgents at around 3:30 am on Friday.
Executed by the Army’s 12 Para, the raid is the first cross-border strike to have become public since last June, when the NSCN(K) was targeted after a strike in Manipur that killed 18 soldiers. That raid had provoked international furore, with some claiming it signalled the coming of a new Indian doctrine of hot pursuit.
“The raid was part of many operations intended to maintain pressure on the NSCN(K),” a senior home ministry official said. “These operations have been ongoing, and will continue.”
On Friday, Indian Army officials had denied that troops crossed the India-Myanmar border. Though Indian forces are reported to have staged operations across the densely-forested Myanmar border for decades to target insurgents, these have rarely become public, in deference to Yangon’s sovereignty concerns.
“Myanmar is understanding of India’s concerns,” said a diplomat familiar with New Delhi-Yangon negotiations on border security, “but it also can’t publicly accept that it allows Indian operations across the border. There was a great deal of discomfort after some in the government went public last year, and it took great effort to calm things down.”
Nagaland Police officials led by Mon district’s SP, Yangba Konyak, were rushed to Chen Moho village soon after the firing began on Friday, government sources told The Sunday Express, in response to fears that civilians living on the Indian side of the border may have been killed or injured.
New Delhi-based officials familiar with Friday’s events said a 12 Para unit moved through the jungles towards an NSCN(K) camp near the village of Throilu, but its movement was detected by guards posted in the forest by the insurgents. Firing continued until about 6 am, the officials said.
Local police confirmed the account, adding that no combatant or civilian fatalities had been reported on either side of the border. In a statement to the media, the NSCN(K) claimed that it had killed “five to six Indian commandos”, a claim dismissed by the Army.
The action against the NSCN(K) last year had also registered limited success, with Indian troops claiming the lives of just seven insurgents — members of the ethnic Meitei 253 Mobile Battalion of the People’s Liberation Army of Manipur, which extorted money from traders and drug traffickers under NSCN(K) patronage.
Niki Sumi, the NSCN(K) military commander responsible for the June 4 ambush last year, had left his camp with 40 personnel before the Army raided it.
“It is extremely difficult to get success in jungle warfare,” said a military official familiar with operations across the border in Nagaland. “Insurgent camps are often located around villages and include civilian populations, so operations have to be conducted with great care”.
Konyak Naga-dominated Chen Moho is the site of a joint Indian-Myanmar road running via Throilu to Nyanching, built jointly by India and Myanmar to facilitate trade and communication between members of the tribe, who live on both sides of the border.
The NSCN(K)’s leadership and cadre are also drawn largely from the Konyak tribe, unlike its larger rival, the NSCN(IM), which is now engaged in peace talks with the Indian government.
Last summer, following the ambush, the Eastern Konyak Union, a tribal group, protested against both the Assam Rifles and Naga insurgents, saying their conflict had led to the road being snapped. The Army, it added, had “even imposed restrictions on the innocent public from buying or exchanging goods and basic necessities”.
“The affected villagers are living in miserable condition,” the Eastern Konyak Union said, appealing for protection against “intolerable circumstances in our daily life.”
Fighting in the area has intensified since last summer, intelligence sources said, as a consequence of more intense Myanmar military pressure against the NSCN(K), although the insurgent group is a party to peace talks with that country’s own tribal insurgents.
In recent months, local newspapers have carried reports of the burning down of homes and granaries, often by criminalised local insurgent groups, but also sometimes by military units.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ting-nscnk-camp-army-entered-myanmar-2988133/
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Targeting NSCN(K) camp, Army entered Myanmar
Executed by the Army’s 12 Para, the raid is the first cross-border strike to have become public since last June, when the NSCN(K) was targeted after a strike in Manipur that killed 18 soldiers.
Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi | Updated: August 21, 2016 8:28 am
Mon district in Nagaland. (Source: Google Maps)
Troops involved in an operation targeting an NSCN (Khaplang) military camp crossed several hundred metres into Myanmar territory, highly placed government sources told The Sunday Express. The troops, sources said, crossed the international border near border pillar 151, near the village of Chen Moho, spending several hours inside Myanmar before fire contact was made with the insurgents at around 3:30 am on Friday.
Executed by the Army’s 12 Para, the raid is the first cross-border strike to have become public since last June, when the NSCN(K) was targeted after a strike in Manipur that killed 18 soldiers. That raid had provoked international furore, with some claiming it signalled the coming of a new Indian doctrine of hot pursuit.
“The raid was part of many operations intended to maintain pressure on the NSCN(K),” a senior home ministry official said. “These operations have been ongoing, and will continue.”
On Friday, Indian Army officials had denied that troops crossed the India-Myanmar border. Though Indian forces are reported to have staged operations across the densely-forested Myanmar border for decades to target insurgents, these have rarely become public, in deference to Yangon’s sovereignty concerns.
“Myanmar is understanding of India’s concerns,” said a diplomat familiar with New Delhi-Yangon negotiations on border security, “but it also can’t publicly accept that it allows Indian operations across the border. There was a great deal of discomfort after some in the government went public last year, and it took great effort to calm things down.”
Nagaland Police officials led by Mon district’s SP, Yangba Konyak, were rushed to Chen Moho village soon after the firing began on Friday, government sources told The Sunday Express, in response to fears that civilians living on the Indian side of the border may have been killed or injured.
New Delhi-based officials familiar with Friday’s events said a 12 Para unit moved through the jungles towards an NSCN(K) camp near the village of Throilu, but its movement was detected by guards posted in the forest by the insurgents. Firing continued until about 6 am, the officials said.
Local police confirmed the account, adding that no combatant or civilian fatalities had been reported on either side of the border. In a statement to the media, the NSCN(K) claimed that it had killed “five to six Indian commandos”, a claim dismissed by the Army.
The action against the NSCN(K) last year had also registered limited success, with Indian troops claiming the lives of just seven insurgents — members of the ethnic Meitei 253 Mobile Battalion of the People’s Liberation Army of Manipur, which extorted money from traders and drug traffickers under NSCN(K) patronage.
Niki Sumi, the NSCN(K) military commander responsible for the June 4 ambush last year, had left his camp with 40 personnel before the Army raided it.
“It is extremely difficult to get success in jungle warfare,” said a military official familiar with operations across the border in Nagaland. “Insurgent camps are often located around villages and include civilian populations, so operations have to be conducted with great care”.
Konyak Naga-dominated Chen Moho is the site of a joint Indian-Myanmar road running via Throilu to Nyanching, built jointly by India and Myanmar to facilitate trade and communication between members of the tribe, who live on both sides of the border.
The NSCN(K)’s leadership and cadre are also drawn largely from the Konyak tribe, unlike its larger rival, the NSCN(IM), which is now engaged in peace talks with the Indian government.
Last summer, following the ambush, the Eastern Konyak Union, a tribal group, protested against both the Assam Rifles and Naga insurgents, saying their conflict had led to the road being snapped. The Army, it added, had “even imposed restrictions on the innocent public from buying or exchanging goods and basic necessities”.
“The affected villagers are living in miserable condition,” the Eastern Konyak Union said, appealing for protection against “intolerable circumstances in our daily life.”
Fighting in the area has intensified since last summer, intelligence sources said, as a consequence of more intense Myanmar military pressure against the NSCN(K), although the insurgent group is a party to peace talks with that country’s own tribal insurgents.
In recent months, local newspapers have carried reports of the burning down of homes and granaries, often by criminalised local insurgent groups, but also sometimes by military units.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ting-nscnk-camp-army-entered-myanmar-2988133/
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Heilborne ops are an old norm. Started way back in 2005. Operation Sarp Vinash run in Manipur in those days involved Heilborne forces inducted into Myanmar to block and neutralize retreating militants as a concentrated effort was undertaken by 57 Infantry Division's troops.
Mi-17s with pods and Lancers do provide a cover as and if required.
@PARIKRAMA good to see the new raising unit perform well and make a mark
Casualties were sustained but none fatal.
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I think Indian and Pakistani governments should double the salaries and benefits of our armies. They been fighting 365x7x24 both inside and outside. Don't think any other country armies are engaged so much. Respect
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I think Indian and Pakistani governments should double the salaries and benefits of our armies. They been fighting 365x7x24 both inside and outside. Don't think any other country armies are engaged so much. Respect
The US, ever since WW2 has been involved in something or the other....
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Army denies raids inside Myanmar
Assam Rifles says the offensive was not launched by troops
The Assam Rifles and the Army on Saturday rejected claims by insurgent group National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) of an Indian military operation in Myanmar targeted against its militants, in which security personnel purportedly suffered casualties.
On Friday evening, reports, quoting NSCN(K) sources, said a gunfight had taken place between troops and NSCN(K) militants, and five to six commandos were killed.
The reports came on the eve of Minister for External Affairs Sushma Swaraj’s visit to Myanmar on August 22, even as Assam Rifles and other security agencies stepped up vigil along the India-Myanmar border and across the northeast against the NSCN (K).
In a statement issued on Saturday, the Assam Rifles said, “The alleged offensive on NSCN (K) Camp between Chenmoho village in Mon distt. and Thorloi village in Myanmar on 19 Aug 2016 was not launched by Para Commandos or any other troops of the Indian Army. Firing across the border in Chenmoho village of Mon distt. was heard by the troops deployed in the region. The troops moved closer to border areas but could not ascertain any concrete details about the gun battle across the border.”
The report had come even as Assam Rifles and other security agencies have stepped up vigil along the India-Myanmar border and across the northeast against NSCN (K). The report also came on the eve of Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj’s visit to Myanmar. In a statement issued on Saturday, the Assam Rifles said, “The alleged offensive on NSCN (K) Camp between Chenmoho village in Mon distt. and Thorloi village in Myanmar on 19 Aug 2016 was not launched by Para Commandos or any other troops of the Indian Army. Firing across the border in Chenmoho village of Mon distt. was heard by the troops deployed in the region.
The troops moved closer to border areas but could not ascertain any concrete details about the gun battle across the border.” The statement went on to claim that the “Fire fight is most likely an inter-factional conflict which was claimed against the Indian Army commandos as a propaganda to gain popularity and make headlines by the NSCN(K).”
Reports of encounter
A senior army officer in Delhi however, said there was an encounter between Assam Rifles personnel and a group of KSCN (K) militants, when the latter was trying to infiltrate into Indian side. “We have recovered three automatic weapons, one pistol and a 12 bore,” he said. The officer said the militants abandoned their weapons and retreated to Myanmar, and thus Indian security personnel do not know of any casualty on the other side. “We have not suffered any casualties,” he said. Meanwhile, official sources in northeast said security measures along the 358 km long Manipur- Myanmar border have been stepped up in the wake of the encounter. Intelligence sources said this was to prevent NSCN (K) militants from entering Chandel, the border district, to carry out revenge attacks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/army-denies-raids-inside-myanmar/article9012408.ece
Indians and their wishful thinking, terminologies such as, cross border raids, hot pursuits and surgical strikes are only meant for boasting Indian egos and not meant to be put in practice or as they say, India is no Israel.
Assam Rifles says the offensive was not launched by troops
The Assam Rifles and the Army on Saturday rejected claims by insurgent group National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) of an Indian military operation in Myanmar targeted against its militants, in which security personnel purportedly suffered casualties.
On Friday evening, reports, quoting NSCN(K) sources, said a gunfight had taken place between troops and NSCN(K) militants, and five to six commandos were killed.
The reports came on the eve of Minister for External Affairs Sushma Swaraj’s visit to Myanmar on August 22, even as Assam Rifles and other security agencies stepped up vigil along the India-Myanmar border and across the northeast against the NSCN (K).
In a statement issued on Saturday, the Assam Rifles said, “The alleged offensive on NSCN (K) Camp between Chenmoho village in Mon distt. and Thorloi village in Myanmar on 19 Aug 2016 was not launched by Para Commandos or any other troops of the Indian Army. Firing across the border in Chenmoho village of Mon distt. was heard by the troops deployed in the region. The troops moved closer to border areas but could not ascertain any concrete details about the gun battle across the border.”
The report had come even as Assam Rifles and other security agencies have stepped up vigil along the India-Myanmar border and across the northeast against NSCN (K). The report also came on the eve of Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj’s visit to Myanmar. In a statement issued on Saturday, the Assam Rifles said, “The alleged offensive on NSCN (K) Camp between Chenmoho village in Mon distt. and Thorloi village in Myanmar on 19 Aug 2016 was not launched by Para Commandos or any other troops of the Indian Army. Firing across the border in Chenmoho village of Mon distt. was heard by the troops deployed in the region.
The troops moved closer to border areas but could not ascertain any concrete details about the gun battle across the border.” The statement went on to claim that the “Fire fight is most likely an inter-factional conflict which was claimed against the Indian Army commandos as a propaganda to gain popularity and make headlines by the NSCN(K).”
Reports of encounter
A senior army officer in Delhi however, said there was an encounter between Assam Rifles personnel and a group of KSCN (K) militants, when the latter was trying to infiltrate into Indian side. “We have recovered three automatic weapons, one pistol and a 12 bore,” he said. The officer said the militants abandoned their weapons and retreated to Myanmar, and thus Indian security personnel do not know of any casualty on the other side. “We have not suffered any casualties,” he said. Meanwhile, official sources in northeast said security measures along the 358 km long Manipur- Myanmar border have been stepped up in the wake of the encounter. Intelligence sources said this was to prevent NSCN (K) militants from entering Chandel, the border district, to carry out revenge attacks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/army-denies-raids-inside-myanmar/article9012408.ece
Indians and their wishful thinking, terminologies such as, cross border raids, hot pursuits and surgical strikes are only meant for boasting Indian egos and not meant to be put in practice or as they say, India is no Israel.
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Army denies raids inside Myanmar
Assam Rifles says the offensive was not launched by troops
The Assam Rifles and the Army on Saturday rejected claims by insurgent group National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) of an Indian military operation in Myanmar targeted against its militants, in which security personnel purportedly suffered casualties.
On Friday evening, reports, quoting NSCN(K) sources, said a gunfight had taken place between troops and NSCN(K) militants, and five to six commandos were killed.
The reports came on the eve of Minister for External Affairs Sushma Swaraj’s visit to Myanmar on August 22, even as Assam Rifles and other security agencies stepped up vigil along the India-Myanmar border and across the northeast against the NSCN (K).
In a statement issued on Saturday, the Assam Rifles said, “The alleged offensive on NSCN (K) Camp between Chenmoho village in Mon distt. and Thorloi village in Myanmar on 19 Aug 2016 was not launched by Para Commandos or any other troops of the Indian Army. Firing across the border in Chenmoho village of Mon distt. was heard by the troops deployed in the region. The troops moved closer to border areas but could not ascertain any concrete details about the gun battle across the border.”
The report had come even as Assam Rifles and other security agencies have stepped up vigil along the India-Myanmar border and across the northeast against NSCN (K). The report also came on the eve of Minister of External Affairs Sushma Swaraj’s visit to Myanmar. In a statement issued on Saturday, the Assam Rifles said, “The alleged offensive on NSCN (K) Camp between Chenmoho village in Mon distt. and Thorloi village in Myanmar on 19 Aug 2016 was not launched by Para Commandos or any other troops of the Indian Army. Firing across the border in Chenmoho village of Mon distt. was heard by the troops deployed in the region.
The troops moved closer to border areas but could not ascertain any concrete details about the gun battle across the border.” The statement went on to claim that the “Fire fight is most likely an inter-factional conflict which was claimed against the Indian Army commandos as a propaganda to gain popularity and make headlines by the NSCN(K).”
Reports of encounter
A senior army officer in Delhi however, said there was an encounter between Assam Rifles personnel and a group of KSCN (K) militants, when the latter was trying to infiltrate into Indian side. “We have recovered three automatic weapons, one pistol and a 12 bore,” he said. The officer said the militants abandoned their weapons and retreated to Myanmar, and thus Indian security personnel do not know of any casualty on the other side. “We have not suffered any casualties,” he said. Meanwhile, official sources in northeast said security measures along the 358 km long Manipur- Myanmar border have been stepped up in the wake of the encounter. Intelligence sources said this was to prevent NSCN (K) militants from entering Chandel, the border district, to carry out revenge attacks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/army-denies-raids-inside-myanmar/article9012408.ece
Indians and their wishful thinking, terminologies such as, cross border raids, hot pursuits and surgical strikes are only meant for boasting Indian egos and not meant to be put in practice or as they say, India is no Israel.
Its SOP to deny a raid took place if it did (esp to not potentially embarrass our good friend Myanmar officially). You should know that by now.
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If that was the case, the weapons wouldn't have been recovered on the Indian side. !!!
''A senior army officer in Delhi however, said there was an encounter between Assam Rifles personnel and a group of KSCN (K) militants, when the latter was trying to infiltrate into Indian side. “We have recovered three automatic weapons, one pistol and a 12 bore,” he said. The officer said the militants abandoned their weapons and retreated to Myanmar, and thus Indian security personnel do not know of any casualty on the other side.''
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