Indian army $10-bn combat vehicle order!!!

[Penguin]

from livefist

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/10/indias-future-infantry-combat-vehicle.htm

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/10/indias-future-infantry-combat-vehicle.htm

This is a lot like the defunct Polish BWP-2000, but with a different turret.
http://www.ask.com/wiki/BWP-2000
Army Guide - BWP 2000, Infantry fighting vehicle

 

[Vibs]

Not a single private company in india has developed an ICV,so there is a big chance that they will out source all the critical systems and the aim of indigenisation will not be achieved.But DRDO has gained plenty of knowledge regrading tracked armored vehicles through developing the Arjun mbt and Abahay ICV prototype.So they can now develop a fully indigenous ICV in lesser time which will be comparable to the best in the world.Example-Arjun mk2 ready within 1 year from clearing of the project and with the full 94 upgrades will come in top 5 tanks in the world.That's all what I was trying to say.Let the private companies to manufacture instead of public ordnance factories for better quality control but leave the development work solely on DRDO.
REGARDS....

All the eggs in one basket, that too of a govt.run organization is always risky. Besides multiple projects in a single company leads to stretching of resources and priority of some projects at the expense of others.
In this case, DRDO will always prioritize Arjun and Abhay before the futuristic ICV. Let them focus on the MBT. Let someone else simultaneously develop the ICV. Saves time, and develops additional capabilities internally. We cannot afford to stick to the tried and tested anymore. We have to explore faster ways of rewamping and ICV's are a perfect way to gauge capabilities.It's not rocket science, no stealth required, performance criteria are clear. Ideal way for private players to be inducted in this league.

 

[Vibs]

This is a lot like the defunct Polish BWP-2000, but with a different turret.
BWP-2000 | Ask.com Encyclopedia
Army Guide - BWP 2000, Infantry fighting vehicle

This looks like ABHAY a DRDO project. The new requirement is entirely different and is just out. We might have to wait quite a bit for any indications of vehicle design.

 

[Omega007]

All the eggs in one basket, that too of a govt.run organization is always risky. Besides multiple projects in a single company leads to stretching of resources and priority of some projects at the expense of others.
In this case, DRDO will always prioritize Arjun and Abhay before the futuristic ICV. Let them focus on the MBT. Let someone else simultaneously develop the ICV. Saves time, and develops additional capabilities internally. We cannot afford to stick to the tried and tested anymore. We have to explore faster ways of rewamping and ICV's are a perfect way to gauge capabilities.It's not rocket science, no stealth required, performance criteria are clear. Ideal way for private players to be inducted in this league.

Nope,they will never stick to the Abhay.It was only a technology demonstrator to develop the necessary technology for the FICV because they thought they will develop it.Due to that project now DRDO has all the techs to develop a world class ICV that would have been definately better and much faster than the inexperienced private companies can develop.

 

[Vibs]

Nope,they will never stick to the Abhay.It was only a technology demonstrator to develop the necessary technology for the FICV because they thought they will develop it.Due to that project now DRDO has all the techs to develop a world class ICV that would have been definately better and much faster than the inexperienced private companies can develop.

Either ways, the company that will be selected will be on the basis of the techno-commercial bid. If a private company provides a better tech within the budget specified, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be awarded the contract.
BTW as far as TATA is concerned, when you combine Tata Motors India,Tata Daewoo and Tata Hispano, it is one of the biggest heavy vehicle manufacturers in the world (second I believe) . It has access to tech it hasn't even introduced in India yet. For the wheeled version of the FICV,they are already experienced enough.The tracked version may be another story.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Ashok Leyland (ALL), Larsen & Toubro (L&T), Bharat Forge, Tata Motors and Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) are among those who have bid for a $10-billion (R44,000 core) defence ministry contract to supply combat vehicles for the Indian Army.

Last i heard there were 4 companies : L&T, OFB, Tata Motors and Mahindra. When did ALL and B.Forge entered the competition ?

While ALL and L&T have bid as a team, state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) is also believed to be in the fray.

what does this mean ?

The Army would require 2,610 FICVs to replace the existing, Soviet-vintage ‘Sarath’ BMP-II combat vehicles built by OFB.

We Indians really know how to use the things.

We are one of the shortlisted companies and are now waiting for the final shortlist which should be out byend of July or early August.

I hope this time defence ministry finally select the vendors....

 

[angeldemon_007]

from livefist

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/10...at-vehicle.htm

This is a bogus. Its not the design of FICV. Actually since we haven't even decided on the winner, i doubt anyone can say anything about the design. After the 2 finalist will be selected in July-Aug then those two will show the designs and build prototypes.

@prabhu
Ashok Layland`s 4X4 MPV, Mahindra-BAE, 6X6 MPV and that tata version are as you yourself said are MPV and they don't come under ICV. As far as their role in MPV is considered in our armed forces, atleast DM won't be placing any orders. OFB is producing MPVs and its working fine for our forces. As far as some other agency or particular state is concerned then yeah they can place orders but i doubt those will be big.

As far as your second list is concerned some of them do come under ICV.
Czech OT-64, Serbian Lazar, Tatrapan from Slovakia are suitable for wheeled version which i think will comprise 1/2 of the 2600 ICV.

 

[angeldemon_007]

For Wheeled ICVs :

General Dynamics Land Systems Stryker

Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann

Italian VBM Freccia

Patria AMV

Serbian Lazar

BAE RG41

BAE SEP

Piranha IV

 

[Vibs]

^^Nice collection of pics buddy.

 

[angeldemon_007]

GIAT VBCI

Austria PANDUR

Ukraine BTR-3

 

[saurav]

 

[angeldemon_007]

Tracked ICVs :

1) BAE & General Dynamics (US FICV)

2) M2/M3 Bradley Fighting Vehicles

3) BAE CV90 Armadillo

4) ascod sv

5) Puma ICV

6) Israeli Namer ICV

7)BMP 3

8)

 

[angeldemon_007]

Mahindra is a definite winner if they offer BAE CV90 Armadillo. I have never seen anything much sexier than this. Its perfect for us.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I thought IA were seriously interested in US Stryker. (not as FICV but to be operated in certain specialised operations.) does this blow that out of the water or is the Stryker for IA still a real possibility ??

 

[angeldemon_007]

An upgraded Marder Close Combat Vehicle/IFV Close Combat