Indian Air Force faces risk as PAK, China modernise airforce: report

[Screambowl]

hmm, isn't Vikramaditya also kinda old?
I mean at least Pakistan got a pretty good deal on those f-16s, like we did on the Varyag,
I mean India paid top $$$ for Vikramaditya.

it is just one time payment, and we got the ToT

 

[Indian Patriot]

400 may be too few aircraft for a country as large as India

I will take 400 EF-2000/ Rafale aircraft over 1,000 Mig-29 any day. Even 400 MKIs is better than 1,000 Mig-29.

You forget that the bulk of Indian air force is anyway obsolete. Mig-21, 27 are just for adding up numbers. In a conflict these aircraft will not have any impact either. Better to cut the fat and go for a leaner, meaner force like every European air force,

 

[MiG-21]

IAF is in a lot of risk from fighters with no HMS, chinese radar and weapons(because of no money to get french radar and weapons), and chinese workmanship. Indians are scared and running out to the seas!

I will take 400 EF-2000/ Rafale aircraft over 1,000 Mig-29 any day. Even 400 MKIs is better than 1,000 Mig-29.

You forget that the bulk of Indian air force is anyway obsolete. Mig-21, 27 are just for adding up numbers. In a conflict these aircraft will not have any impact either. Better to cut the fat and go for a leaner, meaner force like every European air force,

its a good thing the airforce doesnt take decisions with popular Democratic vote, isn't it? So very good thing..!!

 

[Indian Patriot]

its a good thing the airforce doesnt take decisions with popular Democratic vote, isn't it? So very good thing..!!

It is a good thing morons like you are not in the services. So very good thing. Morons like you get your education from movies and popular jingoism. Morons like you believe if an air force has 1000 aircraft then every single one of those 1000 aircraft can be mobilised at the word go. After all words like maintenance, repair, spare parts, servicing etc. mean nothing to you. Also logistics must sound like another word of logic for morons like you. Do you know what logistics is and how it can affect war-preparedness? Of course you don't.

For morons like you numbers are everything. IAF must have 10,000 aircraft, that sounds so "cool" to morons like you. Never mind that out of those 10,000 9,500 would be obsolete aircraft. But then uneducated trolls like you have never come up across words like obsolete and shelf-life.

Do you know how many pilots are usually assigned to one combat aircraft? What are ground crew assigned for? What they mean by flying hours and why they are so crucial? Why air forces invest so much in air-to-air flight refuellers and AWACS - both aircraft that cannot "shoot missiles" like you bollywood hippies would like to see?

Or do you know why IAF is so desperate to get rid of the Mig-21s? Your id itself says you are an obsolete piece of trash as well.

Iraq had over 1.2 million troops, 10,000 tanks and artillery guns in gulf war one. How long did they last against a numerically inferior but technologically superior USA?

Of course, morons like you must have never come across the word technology either.

 

[Viper0011.]

Good news Pakistanis.

Now India has to ponder over it. What the hell Indians are doing with its $50 billion defense budget. If Pakistan with its $7 billion defense budget can maintain its superiority, why can India not do it with 7 times Pakistan's budget.

What you don't know, but the writer of this article knows, is that Pakistan, outside of its F-16 fleet, has BVR-able flies. Due to their small RCS, they will prove out to be the biggest issue for the IAF.

These flies usually come undetected and will sting the SU-30 within their WVR sting with 100% hit to sting capability. The SU's spine would swell up, it'll hurt and it'll run back to the base for a maintenance checkup. If the sting is too bad, the plane might hit a jet wash, and the pilot may have to eject. Very serious weapon and it'll remain Pakistan's air superiority over India.

What crap do your writers eat or smoke before they write these silly statements that PAF can have air superiority over the IAF????

 

[babbar]

What crap do your writers eat or smoke before they write these silly statements that PAF can have air superiority over the IAF????

Please point out in the Pakistani media report posted by the OP or the Indian CNN-IBN report it is referring to where it says PAF can have air superiority over IAF.

if you can not, then please amend your post. Thank you.

 

[MiG-21]

It is a good thing morons like you are not in the services. So very good thing. Morons like you get your education from movies and popular jingoism. Morons like you believe if an air force has 1000 aircraft then every single one of those 1000 aircraft can be mobilised at the word go. After all words like maintenance, repair, spare parts, servicing etc. mean nothing to you. Also logistics must sound like another word of logic for morons like you. Do you know what logistics is and how it can affect war-preparedness? Of course you don't.

For morons like you numbers are everything. IAF must have 10,000 aircraft, that sounds so "cool" to morons like you. Never mind that out of those 10,000 9,500 would be obsolete aircraft. But then uneducated trolls like you have never come up across words like obsolete and shelf-life.

Do you know how many pilots are usually assigned to one combat aircraft? What are ground crew assigned for? What they mean by flying hours and why they are so crucial? Why air forces invest so much in air-to-air flight refuellers and AWACS - both aircraft that cannot "shoot missiles" like you bollywood hippies would like to see?

Or do you know why IAF is so desperate to get rid of the Mig-21s? Your id itself says you are an obsolete piece of trash as well.

Iraq had over 1.2 million troops, 10,000 tanks and artillery guns in gulf war one. How long did they last against a numerically inferior but technologically superior USA?

Of course, morons like you must have never come across the word technology either.

Its cool to randomly throw words from news articles and movies isnt it? Without even giving a thought of what those words mean nor where the money for the 400 gold plated rafale and EF would come from. Its cool for stupid kids to buy into a brand name, but unfortunately reality isn't like that. Your retarded statement-
"You forget that the bulk of Indian air force is anyway obsolete. Mig-21, 27 are just for adding up numbers."
Implies MiG-21s is an obsolete fighter with no HMS, BVRs and ground attack with smart munitions capabilities, which clearly it is not, and also ignoring the fact that this the second best interceptor only after the MiG-29. You also say IAF is going to get rid of it which clearly it is not and are planning on flying the last MiG-21 till 2022 even rejection the half baked LCA for it. You go on to $hit-

"In a conflict these aircraft will not have any impact either."
Wow.... "any impact either"!! Which proves you are a f@ggot with no basic idea of warfare.

"Better to cut the fat and go for a leaner, meaner force like every European air force,"
And making a broad shitty statement like above while forgetting the fact that euros have close to zero threat of war on their borders while we have a lunatic country just beside us, also they do not have a large land mass to protect and patrol while we have a huge one, and they are in an alliance with each other and other north american powers as well while india is a solo power, AND those are highly industrialized nations with the capability to ramp up production and churn out new fighters if there is a war, while we can never imagine that kind of industrial efficiency and automation during the best of times, let alone a wartime. Sigh.... if only we could de-epiderm slowly and very slowly walking O2 wasters like you and trying to get the maximum time and sounds during the procedure would this kind of blatant stupidity stop....unfortunately this is a stupid dumbocrazy. very unfortunate.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Its cool to randomly throw words from news articles and movies isnt it? Without even giving a thought of what those words mean nor where the money for the 400 gold plated rafale and EF would come from. Its cool for stupid kids to buy into a brand name, but unfortunately reality isn't like that. Your retarded statement-
"You forget that the bulk of Indian air force is anyway obsolete. Mig-21, 27 are just for adding up numbers."
Implies MiG-21s is an obsolete fighter with no HMS, BVRs and ground attack with smart munitions capabilities, which clearly it is not, and also ignoring the fact that this the second best interceptor only after the MiG-29. You also say IAF is going to get rid of it which clearly it is not and are planning on flying the last MiG-21 till 2022 even rejection the half baked LCA for it. You go on to $hit-

"In a conflict these aircraft will not have any impact either."
Wow.... "any impact either"!! Which proves you are a f@ggot with no basic idea of warfare.

"Better to cut the fat and go for a leaner, meaner force like every European air force,"
And making a broad shitty statement like above while forgetting the fact that euros have close to zero threat of war on their borders while we have a lunatic country just beside us, also they do not have a large land mass to protect and patrol while we have a huge one, and they are in an alliance with each other and other north american powers as well while india is a solo power, AND those are highly industrialized nations with the capability to ramp up production and churn out new fighters if there is a war, while we can never imagine that kind of industrial efficiency and automation during the best of times, let alone a wartime. Sigh.... if only we could de-epiderm slowly and very slowly walking O2 wasters like you and trying to get the maximum time and sounds during the procedure would this kind of blatant stupidity stop....unfortunately this is a stupid dumbocrazy. very unfortunate.

Wow!! You are a bigger blockhead and a moron than your stupid name suggests.

I don't know which lala land you come from but no modern fighter jet is gold-plated. Gold does not make for good armor. And it was IAF who conducted the MMRCA trials which was to induct 126 fighters which included "gold plated" Rafales and Typhoons. Did you post a hormonally fueled letter to the IAF chief as well?

And yes, Mig-21 is an OBSOLETE aircraft. That is the reason why the IAF is depelting its squadron strength - you moron even know what squadron means? - and pressing for the LCA and MMRCA. If the muesum artifact Mig-21s were so divine like you moron suggests then the IAF would have simply asked for more upgraded Mig-21s. And who the Fcuk told you Mig-21 is the second best interceptor? ARe you on drugs?

And talking about f@ggots, whats your combat experience you hormonally imbalanced moron? Are you a serving/retired air force officer that has incredible knowledge and experience about air combat or are you an emotional nutcase who has trouble structuring a simple sentence?

How many Mig-21s are crashed? Who is going to take responsibility for those crashes and pilot deaths, a hormonally imbalanced moron like you?

As I suspected a prick like you has no idea about logistics, spare parts and life cycle costs. Like a uneducated fool you imagine that you pay for an aircraft once and you never have to spend money on it again. Whoever heard about maintenance costs?

Do you know how much it costs the IAF to maintain these obsolete junk? And that is only the cost of maintaining these antiques. What about cost of lives and the lack of war-preparedness? You are going to look after that?

How are MIG-21s supposed to fare against Chinese flankers or even pakistani F-16s? What is the range of a mig-21, what is its payload, what is its radar range. These questions ever occurred to you? Do you even know how modern avionics and aircraft technology work or do you just come here to spout random nonsense? Mig-21s are needed because half of IAF is Mig-21, you delete them and IAF drops overnight from 3rd largest air force in the world to 30th largest. But the tag "third largest" appeals more to your fragile ego, even if it means the numbers are sh1t.

And in case you can't afford newspapers at your home, the Europeans are more involved in wars then India has. They are the ones fighting everywhere from Kosovo to Libya.

And how long can Mig-21s keep flying in comparison to a Typhoon or Rafale? In 2015, in this age of space-warfare we have morons like you dreaming of mig-21s fighting against Typhoons, Rafales and even flankers. Did it occur to a buffoon like you that the cost of operating 100 Typhoons will not only be cheaper but also effective than operating 300 Mig-21s? Or numbers are the only thing you can see?

Unfortunately there are hormonally imbalanced morons like you who believe numbers are everything. That is why India today suffers from population problem. Retards like you walk among us.

 

[aqdus]

I guess you speaking about the funds that you receive from your masters when you refer about funding...

India keeps its war machine running by its own hardwork and hard earned money...not like you guys who beg and get grants and supports.....

And if you have create a superior airforce with that sobeit no problem....and about Tejas yes it is a disaster from your point of view...but still Indians did learn a lot from that...

Why you people always worry about our funds we know how to get funds and we get it so its not your business and yes Tejas IS disaster and yes indian now know that they can only make paper plane nothing else so keep it up boys why dont you start stealth version of paper plane now

 

[MiG-21]

Wow!! You are a bigger blockhead and a moron than your stupid name suggests.

I don't know which lala land you come from but no modern fighter jet is gold-plated. Gold does not make for good armor. And it was IAF who conducted the MMRCA trials which was to induct 126 fighters which included "gold plated" Rafales and Typhoons. Did you post a hormonally fueled letter to the IAF chief as well?

And yes, Mig-21 is an OBSOLETE aircraft. That is the reason why the IAF is depelting its squadron strength - you moron even know what squadron means? - and pressing for the LCA and MMRCA. If the muesum artifact Mig-21s were so divine like you moron suggests then the IAF would have simply asked for more upgraded Mig-21s. And who the Fcuk told you Mig-21 is the second best interceptor? ARe you on drugs?

And talking about f@ggots, whats your combat experience you hormonally imbalanced moron? Are you a serving/retired air force officer that has incredible knowledge and experience about air combat or are you an emotional nutcase who has trouble structuring a simple sentence?

How many Mig-21s are crashed? Who is going to take responsibility for those crashes and pilot deaths, a hormonally imbalanced moron like you?

As I suspected a prick like you has no idea about logistics, spare parts and life cycle costs. Like a uneducated fool you imagine that you pay for an aircraft once and you never have to spend money on it again. Whoever heard about maintenance costs?

Do you know how much it costs the IAF to maintain these obsolete junk? And that is only the cost of maintaining these antiques. What about cost of lives and the lack of war-preparedness? You are going to look after that?

How are MIG-21s supposed to fare against Chinese flankers or even pakistani F-16s? What is the range of a mig-21, what is its payload, what is its radar range. These questions ever occurred to you? Do you even know how modern avionics and aircraft technology work or do you just come here to spout random nonsense? Mig-21s are needed because half of IAF is Mig-21, you delete them and IAF drops overnight from 3rd largest air force in the world to 30th largest. But the tag "third largest" appeals more to your fragile ego, even if it means the numbers are sh1t.

And in case you can't afford newspapers at your home, the Europeans are more involved in wars then India has. They are the ones fighting everywhere from Kosovo to Libya.

And how long can Mig-21s keep flying in comparison to a Typhoon or Rafale? In 2015, in this age of space-warfare we have morons like you dreaming of mig-21s fighting against Typhoons, Rafales and even flankers. Did it occur to a buffoon like you that the cost of operating 100 Typhoons will not only be cheaper but also effective than operating 300 Mig-21s? Or numbers are the only thing you can see?

Unfortunately there are hormonally imbalanced morons like you who believe numbers are everything. That is why India today suffers from population problem. Retards like you walk among us.

OMG!! hahahaha "but no modern fighter jet is gold-plated". hahahahahaha Where do these inbred f@ggots come from? You dont even know what a gold-plated fighter means! I cant believe I wasted my time on this stupid meat.
What a waste of time! "Gold does not make for good armor" he says!! hahaha This is too much.

 

[ice_man]

why is the thread still going. Qualitatively nor Quantitatively Pakistan and indian Air Forces can be compared nowadays.

India is atleast a decade ahead of us in terms of weapon platforms for the airforce.

please stop burying your heads in the sand Pakistanis!!

 

[thrilainmanila]

why is the thread still going. Qualitatively nor Quantitatively Pakistan and indian Air Forces can be compared nowadays.

India is atleast a decade ahead of us in terms of weapon platforms for the airforce.

please stop burying your heads in the sand Pakistanis!!

i agree with this, whenever i've said this on countless occasions i'm accused of being a kuffar and a raw agent, our airforce is made up of outdated 1/2 a century old fighters like Mig-21/mitage III/V the indians have a large no. of sukhoi's and migs, they are several generations ahead of most of the current fighter fleet.

 

[Viper0011.]

Wonder what gave you the impression that F 16 are stealth fighter jets

Aggressiveness is a fundamental requirement of air combat, and the IAF has traditionally been an attack orientated force. For instance, on December 3, 1971 in response to Pakistan Air Force (PAF) raids on 11 Indian airbases, the IAF responded with initial air strikes the same night, which were expanded to massive retaliatory air strikes the next morning.

The exercise was aimed at testing the IAF’s capability for a two-front war against China and Pakistan, by deploying “swing forces” from the western theatre right across to the east.
As part of the war games, Sukhoi-30MKIs flew 1800 km bombing missions from Chabua in Assam to the western front, with mid-air refuelling. This is possible because the Sukhoi has a range of 4.5 hours on internal fuel, and IAF pilots are known to lead missions over 10 hours. And you are patronising about light 3.5 generation fighter with single engine against Asia's most feared Su30 MKI . Even with latest su 35 they have ordered 50 some MKI as Russian variant SM .

Your so called super stealth F16 has more RCS than F18 . In clean configuration if am not wrong RCS of F16 is around 4-5 m2 . MKI are armed withery powerful PSEA radar which can detect upto 400 km and track more
than 8 threats from 350 kms

And some in US believed Time of dog fighter is over . But against Russian versatile God bless America and F16 and JF 17 of PaF

1) Where did you read me saying that -16's are stealth? My post was mere mocking the silly article, hope you got the sarcasm out of it. I know the -16 A LOT more than you do. So I know how unstealthy it is.

2) Aggression is not usually a "retaliatory" action. Its the first one. So the big "retaliatory" strikes don't mean it was the aggressiveness, as you own post suggest. Those were "a response" to the actual aggression. Plus, its very easy to send BIG retaliatory strikes to an enemy SEVEN times smaller than you. Try doing that to the Chinese or a country your side.
Interesting part is, the SEVEN times smaller country has got you SO obsessed with them that I find it rather interesting!!

3) The "two front war" is a pipe dream. I can assure you of that. The only nation that has that capability is the US. Even Russia will reach her threshold if it was to go to war with a couple of Central Russian States, the EU at the same time (keeping the US out of it, just for simple comparisons). The Russians, for the next three years, are ONLY good to act like a big bear and fly their bombers across. For "actual" war....there is billions of dollars required and a force ready to go. Neither of which Russia has or can afford right now!!

4) Those 400 jet big exercises were to appease the Hindu nationalists about the soup-o-paowah India. Nothing more. In reality, the Chinese alone will field over 400 jets at a time in case of a way, and Pakistan I think, has about 300-400 battle ready jets like the Israelis. So not sure how "Swing" roles can 400 jets do while facing serious attrition.

You are talking like the 400 jets will go attack one place and without any loss, they'll go to the next war zone. Its a story like Kids in the Zoo going from animal to animal for fun.

5) The mighty SU-30's case.....well, in Pakistan and India's case, how do you track an F-16 (or multiple) from 300-400 miles away due to the supa-dupa radar of the SU, when the planes aren't even airborne???

Both the SU and the -16 will see each other within 100-140 KM range as when the SU's are detected, the -16's are scrambled. I heard the SU was taking an Indian astronaut to the moon too, let alone scrambling them on a UFO. You guys are too advanced for the world. You can keep these macho stories to yourself, no one on here is impressed with childish comments, irrelevant to the post.

6) Thrust vector...what do you want me to tell you about that? I am hating to destroy your little imagination. But here, the TV is ONLY good for one maneuver. For example, one missile chasing after the SU, the SU does cobra maneuver and say loses the lock. But for the next 15 seconds (which is too long in jet fights), the mighty SU is literally like a Duck sitting in a Pond. The SU would've bled all the energy and would be picking it back up and would be unable to do any serious maneuvers. With 4-6 BVR missiles, drop tanks or heavier loads....take the recovery time to 25-30 seconds.
And this gap is the best time to use AIM-9X or Guns after the SU pulls Cobra, you then pull a Sidewinder, end of the show. Too much for TV.

The US military has pioneered pretty much all military technologies. There was a reason they didn't really care for TV as much.
Last, in Russia's case and dog fights....the US war machine is right. The Dog fight era is over. The US strategy is take out majority of the enemy's air defense and fighters before the actual combat even starts, and enforce Air Dominance, if not total Air Supremacy.

The -22 can each take out half the squadron of jets, even if you divided than number by half, a few -22's can take down a couple of squadrons of enemy's top end jets, like the SU-30's and all. IMO, 25 -22's should be able to take out about 4-5 enemy planes at the minimal, that's over 100 enemy jets taken out, without them knowing what hit them and from where!!!

 

[New World]

Dont get carried away by idiotic illiterate Indian media.
HAL is asking DASSAULT to take responsibility of any late delivery if it refuses TOT at the middle of the manufacturing since TOT is done in many phases and not in one single shot and asks for more money than what was initially agreed.Seems fair?

Is there is fine on HAL for manufacturing jets lately??

 

[Basel]

Please point out in the Pakistani media report posted by the OP or the Indian CNN-IBN report it is referring to where it says PAF can have air superiority over IAF.

if you can not, then please amend your post. Thank you.

If the current upgrading of PAF & PA's air defense continues then it is possible over Pakistani air space and it is also what PAF wanted in war.