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India won't be 'the world's largest democracy' until it upholds human right

There were collateral damages in this unconventional war and who cares about these HR hounds who conveniently vanished when the war was going on and innocents were targeted by different insurgency groups. But India as a democracy has a moral obligation to close out certain wounds like the 1984 Sikh riots.
 
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It is irony to say the least that members of a hardcore communist country are teaching us the lesson and principles of democracy .
 
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it would be more ironic if your teacher told you that communist is opposite of democracy.
 
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But many other sectors are no better but worsened

Can you mention these many sectors that are no better but worsened

Or are you going to run away as usual :D



cause you guys smoke grass and then bury your woes by sticking your heads in sands
Can we try opium?


Only said but slowly or not at all done

Again proof for that?


and still this bad

improvement is always relative.


congratulations on becoming the largest populated nation on earth. I wish you could do that next year.

Congrats on future plausible possibility of your child having a sibling :)

The vast majority of China advance into much better, cleaner, more intellectual livelihoods than indians that is achieved even we have not implemented full democracy in our sytem. You have used all your amunitions and still this bad!

Congrats for China!

haha, as I said on many other threads you indians have nothing but serious terrible infatuation with Tiananmin Sq incident

It is understandable the same can't be said about your ilk :lol:

You have the longest and most violent massacres, assasinations and bloody riots in your history and extending into present times. These all together are 100 x Tiananmen Square.

CCP certified facts again, India has had nothing close to Tiananmen Square riots, cultural revolution, ethnic dilution in Xinjiang etc.

Looks like you are smoking grass and bury your head in sands again!
Try reading these posts before smoking opium

The world knows that China is a communist dictatorship. But the world should also know the hungry mass in India do not really participate in the government as they sell their votes. So India is also not a true democracy.

Proof ............?
 
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cause your democracy is fake. it is run in indian style

So the resident of nation that is classified as an Authoritarian regime gets to judge a flawed democracy :laugh:

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Thats like a Nazi speaking about Black nationalism .


and too bad it is indian democracy for the whole 1.2 billion people

How unlucky that 1.2 billion Indians escaped certain Great leaps in cultural revolutions, forced abortions/sterilizations, etc

on the other side of the wall it is the indian militia who are the terrorists and invaders

So technically the CCP has allowed a militia to take over parts of territory claimed by PRC?

In other words you are stating PRC is a failed state, wow!
 
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The world knows that China is a communist dictatorship. But the world should also know the hungry mass in India do not really participate in the government as they sell their votes. So India is also not a true democracy.

China's communist regime had been most brutal in her intial decades. Those who killed 2 million Chinese during WW2 are villians but those who killed tens of millions of Chinese is a Demigod.
 
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Let be clear, India is not a democracy like how US is a democracy.

No doubt.

Indian votes are up for sale. In a true democracy, votes are not up for sale. Also, there are a lot of human rights violations because of caste and religious issues as stated in this article.

Here is the entire article, can you pin point, where the word caste is mentioned?

This Saturday, India – a country that President Obama has proudly called “the world’s largest democracy” – will face the anniversary of one of its darkest, most undemocratic moments. Twenty-five years ago, on March 30, 1988, India suspended Article 21 of its Constitution, which provides that no person shall be deprived of life or liberty without due process of law. The suspension applied to the northwestern state of Punjab, home to India’s Sikh religious minority and the site of a major secessionist movement that occurred from 1984 to 1995.

Suddenly, a police officer could arrest, detain, or even summarily execute a citizen of Punjab without judicial accountability. The promise of due process – a guarantee that so many Indians had fought for during the era of independence only decades earlier – had been jettisoned. The results were disastrous.

Human Rights Watch and Physicians for Human Rights described the government’s counterinsurgency campaign in India as “the most extreme example of a policy in which the end appeared to justify any and all means, including torture and murder.” While early reports limited the number of deaths to hundreds or the low thousands, our research indicates that nearly 20,000 people were killed, with the peak number of deaths occurring from 1990 to 1993.

India cannot hide from its past. It must use this anniversary to acknowledge what took place in Punjab, provide reparations to those who were wrongfully harmed, and cease all ongoing human rights violations.

By most accounts, the Punjab conflict began in June 1984, when India’s armed forces launched an assault on the Harmandir Sahib complex – popularly known as the “Golden Temple,” the heart of Sikh religious and political life. The attack began during an important religious holiday, when the complex was overflowing with worshipers, and resulted in several thousand deaths.

The government contended that the assault was necessary to flush out militants who had allegedly taken safe harbor inside. However, others claim that the operation was designed to derail a peaceful protest that was expected to attract hundreds of thousands of Sikhs. Many Sikhs believed that the Indian government was discriminating against them and diverting precious resources away from Punjab, and vowed to voice their dissent until the Indian government acquiesced to their demands.

Already feeling persecuted, and now with thousands dead, many Sikhs took up arms. India used all means at its disposal, including police and paramilitary forces, to quell the rebellion.

When these efforts met with limited success, India repealed the Constitution’s due process protections for the state of Punjab. Security forces now had the legal cover to target whomever they suspected of participating in the rebellion. Many suspects were picked up by the police and never seen again. In other cases, individuals unconnected to the conflict were targeted to instill fear in the population. And still others were targeted for political purposes, including appeasing police and military officers emboldened by their newfound powers.

By 1995, the movement had been crushed, and none of the political and economic demands of the Sikhs had been met. Moreover, families in villages throughout Punjab were still searching for relatives who were last seen in police custody.

In December 1996, the Indian Supreme Court, relying on an inquiry by India’s Central Bureau of Investigation into mass cremations in Punjab, found a “flagrant violation of human rights on a mass scale.” The court cited evidence that police had secretly cremated more than 2,000 people during the 10-year insurgency. And that was in just one district. Many human rights advocates believe that mass cremations took place in Punjab’s then 12 other districts, as well.

That’s why nearly 10 years ago, my colleague, Jaskaran Kaur, and I launched a nongovernmental organization called Ensaaf, which means "justice" in a number of South Asian languages, to investigate the human rights atrocities committed by the Indian government in Punjab. Our findings have been presented to such forums as the United Nations and India's National Human Rights Commission.

To be sure, other states have promulgated special laws and extrajudicial measures to quell insurgencies. One only has to look to the dirty wars of Argentina, Chile, and El Salvador – countries ruled by military juntas at the time – to understand the implications of such policies and practices.

What distinguishes India’s case, however, is that it was a functioning democracy when it adopted these measures. Its parliamentarians introduced the amendment as a bill in both houses; the requisite majority voted for the legislation; and the president officially enacted it into law on March 30, 1988. “The world’s largest democracy” had convened to strip the promise of life and liberty, not some military dictator ruling by decree.

And it’s clear that India is continuing its abuse of human rights. There is now considerable evidence that many of the same measures that were used to quell dissent in Punjab are consistently being used in Kashmir and the northeast states. Both these regions have sought to secede from India, and just like Punjab, their citizens have experienced arbitrary detention, torture, and in some cases unlawful killings and disappearances.

There is no doubt that India has done much to inspire the loyalty of its people and to command the respect of the world. But it must do more. To this day, families are waiting to learn the fate of their disappeared loved ones, and none of the senior government officials or the architects of the crimes have been held accountable. If India is to cement its reputation as “the world’s largest democracy,” it must provide truth and justice to its victims, and vow to hold due process and human rights protections as sacrosanct.

Your Indo-phobic perverted cyber-masochistic instinct seem be fooling you here , as always :laugh:


So India is clearly not a democracy when the majority do not use their votes to choose the destiny of their country but as the meal ticket for the election night.

Can you prove this?

China's communist regime had been most brutal in her intial decades. Those who killed 2 million Chinese during WW2 are villians but those who killed tens of millions of Chinese is a Demigod.
I think its 20 million Chinese who perished in WW2

In fact indian democracy is a wake up call to all the people who think that democracy is a panacea for everything

No system is panacea, only a retard will believe so, one find a system to suit their own specific needs.

I congratulate on our Taiwanese Brothers in running the one of the best democratic system in the world. The means has help provide the greatest welfare to the end.

Taiwan is considered a flawed democracy just like India.

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When the time comes in the Mainland, Taiwan, HK and Macau, lets pop as many bottles of good wines as we can - which is the overall well being of 1.3 billion Chinese in Greater China!

But never to lose sight that the welfare and overall well being of the People is the ultimate aim. Democracy is just a means to achieve the aim.

Fully agree!
 
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When I first joined this forum. Some people were calling Indian democracy "castocracy". I believe that this is an insult as India is not rule by people of certain caste any longer. However, India is also not a true democracy either. I can't think of a word to describe Indian type of "democracy

I can understand since its beyond your intellectual ability.

PS: As democracy index, Indian democracy is Flawed democracy.
 
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I can understand since its beyond your intellectual ability.

PS: As democracy index, Indian democracy is Flawed democracy.

India likes to measure itself against how the west perceive India. All democracy are flawed. And Taiwan is placed in the same bucket as India. But its obvious that democracy works in Taiwan but failed in India. So this label does not described India that well. A better label for India is that its a failed democracy. That Indian style democracy had failed the state of India.
 
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No surprise, India is a constant human rights violater.

Yet even the Islamic refugees run to our non Muslim country for finding safety.

Even now, your sect is being persecuted again by your fellow Islamists and they are running off in boatloads, even knowing that most boats will sink.

Perhaps the non Muslims need to be more careful in giving refuge to your ilk. You always turn on the ones who save you.

India likes to measure itself against how the west perceive India. All democracy are flawed. And Taiwan is placed in the same bucket as India. But its obvious that democracy works in Taiwan but failed in India. So this label does not described India that well. A better label for India is that its a failed democracy. That Indian style democracy had failed the state of India.

You have a very poor knowledge of India yet act as an expert.

Quite primitive posts, almost always Pavlovian.
 
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India likes to measure itself against how the west perceive India. All democracy are flawed. And Taiwan is placed in the same bucket as India.

You see we all need a proper scale to measure oneself, EU's Democracy index seems the best one judging its parameters.

Or we would all be deciding which is a democracy and which is not based on the retarded judgment of someone who has history cyber-masochistic, Indo-phobic ravings on pdf :D or residents of an authoritarian regime :lol:

Forgive me for choosing a more intellectually appealing parameter for judgment :angel:

But its obvious that democracy works in Taiwan but failed in India.

If so, why is Taiwan still considered a flawed democracy?

Unlike South Korea, Japan, Costa Rica, Marituis, which are all considered full democracies?

Even though Taiwan economically far ahead of Costa Rica or Marituis?

So this label does not described India that well. A better label for India is that its a failed democracy. That Indian style democracy had failed the state of India.

Shouldn't be more concerned about what Taiwanese democracy can be called? rather than giving certificates of democracy for India.

PS : I am still awaiting proof for your claims here:

The world knows that China is a communist dictatorship. But the world should also know the hungry mass in India do not really participate in the government as they sell their votes. So India is also not a true democracy.

Let be clear, India is not a democracy like how US is a democracy. Indian votes are up for sale. In a true democracy, votes are not up for sale. Also, there are a lot of human rights violations because of caste and religious issues as stated in this article. So India is clearly not a democracy when the majority do not use their votes to choose the destiny of their country but as the meal ticket for the election night.

Are you really such a shameless liar to run away like your ilk? :D

You have a very poor knowledge of India yet act as an expert.

Quite primitive posts, almost always Pavlovian.

He has been banned ritualistic on pdf since 2010 for his humble intellectual views on India ;)
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Taiwan was ranked as a flawed democracy because it ranked 32, the cut off fur full democracy is at 25. S Korea and Japan are at 20 and 23, so they squeeze into the ranking of the full democracy. Taiwan is off by 7.

You guys are obsess by western countries measurement of you that in the movie of India superpower 2030, you need a British guy to affirm that India is a beautiful, wealthy and powerful country. Stop viewing your own country and others through the lenses of British. Its time to end your colonial slave mentality.
 
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Caste system was removed after our independence. In a democracy, the erstwhilelower caste win the seats as they are larger in numbers.
Yes,officialy!
You know as wel a s i do,there is still a caste system(lower castes are not accepted by the higher ones(im not saying evrywhere but still alot)

Have you been living under a rock?
Dont feel offended,be realistic.
Its mostly a social issue
 
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Yes,officialy!
You know as wel a s i do,there is still a caste system(lower castes are not accepted by the higher ones(im not saying evrywhere but still alot)


Dont feel offended,be realistic.


I agree trying to become defensive is not the way to go - India has caste issues and need to acknowledge it.
 
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