India to supply Non-nuclear equipments to Rooppur Nuclear Power Plant.

[bluesky]

Nuclear power is too expensive

Expensive for a desert country called Pakistan. It should discard all its obsolete nuclear weapons to the Arabian Sea. Are you a creature born 1500 years ago not to know that these weapons cannot be used in a real war? You should happily remember what ZA Bhutto said, "We will build atomic bombs even if we have to eat grass." Hope, you are not eating that raw matter to fill your hungry stomachs.

 

[TopCat]

It feeds the main artery and how does a country full of rivers need a nuclear power plant anyways is beyond human logic.

But India is also doing the same. And other countries.

Finnish fukkers are basically letting everyone dump their shit on them.

So basically humans are hell bent on fukking each other like the primates they are.

River water by itself does not produce electricity but the static energy stored by the water due to its position from sea level which can be converted to mechhanical energy to electrical energy. Most of the water we receive in our river are at sea level and dont really contain any energy.

 

[El Sidd]

Expensive for a desert country called Pakistan. It should discard all its obsolete nuclear weapons to the Arabian Sea. Are you a creature born 1500 years ago not to know that these weapons cannot be used in a real war? You should happily remember what ZA Bhutto said, "We will build atomic bombs even if we have to eat grass." Hope, you are not eating that raw matter to fill your hungry stomachs.

And your point is?

River water by itself does not produce electricity but the static energy stored by the water due to its position from sea level which can be converted to mechhanical energy to electrical energy. Most of the water we receive in our river are at sea level and dont really contain any energy.

Bangladesh has neighbours which are thriving in renewable energy why insist on something that ancient as the atomic energy

 

[Valar.]

And your point is?

His point is pretty simple : When a dirt poor 'desert' country like Pakistan can have nuclear plants then how come 1st world richest Scandinavian riverine country like Bangladesh cannot afford them?

They are rich. When they can even afford a bridge for 4 billion dollars then surely they can afford a nuclear power plant of 13(?) billion dollars. Nothing is expensive for them. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Now wait for some data/statistics/graphs in which BD is Strong and you'll be proven wrong once and for all. Afterwards, you'll never dare to say anything is expensive for BD the strong.

 

[Dot]

indian stooge awami regime once again serving its master india at the expanse of Bangladeshi tax payers. new indo awami dalal dot and rest of awami cheer leading band is singing hukka hua.

It seems as if you prefer personal attack very much. It must be sad to be you; paranoid, rejected & alone. Hope that you may find peace & happiness.

 

[EasyNow]

To be honest, this is a good idea. The more stakeholders in this project the better for us.

As long as everyone is getting a piece of the pie, we will have less problems.

 

[bd_4_ever]

I mean I frankly dont see any problem. If India is going to contribute non-nuclear equipment, aid/consultancy in other areas and they are going to do it in good quality with affordable prices, I personally dont see an issue. If they have experiences that we can leverage, sure why not.

 

[Bilal9]

It feeds the main artery and how does a country full of rivers need a nuclear power plant anyways is beyond human logic.

But India is also doing the same. And other countries.

Finnish fukkers are basically letting everyone dump their shit on them.

So basically humans are hell bent on fukking each other like the primates they are.

Wow El Sidd - this is really deep.

Don't mind me, I'm just in a jocular mood.

His point is pretty simple : When a dirt poor 'desert' country like Pakistan can have nuclear plants then how come 1st world richest Scandinavian riverine country like Bangladesh cannot afford them?

They are rich. When they can even afford a bridge for 4 billion dollars then surely they can afford a nuclear power plant of 13(?) billion dollars. Nothing is expensive for them. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Now wait for some data/statistics/graphs in which BD is Strong and you'll be proven wrong once and for all. Afterwards, you'll never dare to say anything is expensive for BD the strong.

C'mon yaar. I've been saying for ages Pakistani tech-professionals haven't chosen Bangladesh as a destination to come work in and we've now been swarmed with Bhartis. When will that happen? You can lead a horse to water.....

Our door is open. We can all share in the wealth.

You're too worked up. Have some Nehari.

I mean I frankly dont see any problem. If India is going to contribute non-nuclear equipment, aid/consultancy in other areas and they are going to do it in good quality with affordable prices, I personally dont see an issue. If they have experiences that we can leverage, sure why not.

Well L&T set up a JV for these turbines in Hajira (near Surat) and it seems to be an okay source, being that it uses Mitsubishi technology and nothing indigenous developed in India. They are capable of building turbines up to 5000/6000 MW level. Also because the Chinese are even starting to source from them. If the Russians will stand behind L&T, it is a low-cost source for OEM capital machinery we can't really ignore. The benefit will be to us and our industry in terms of cost. But we should have had a clause in the contract where we'd have approval rights for any subcontractors which is a lesson for future overseas contracts. I don't think our govt. folks,

1. Either went that far into evaluating the contract clauses properly, or
2. Russians didn't agree with this clause of us choosing third-party subcontractors on a fixed price contract.

IMHO I'd be much happier if we sourced from Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia or even Pakistan, but the last low-cost option simply did not exist.

It is my belief that we should prefer to source from countries,

a) who see eye-to-eye with us on political interests
b) who are friendly Islamic second world countries, like Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia

 

[El Sidd]

His point is pretty simple : When a dirt poor 'desert' country like Pakistan can have nuclear plants then how come 1st world richest Scandinavian riverine country like Bangladesh cannot afford them?

They are rich. When they can even afford a bridge for 4 billion dollars then surely they can afford a nuclear power plant of 13(?) billion dollars. Nothing is expensive for them. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Now wait for some data/statistics/graphs in which BD is Strong and you'll be proven wrong once and for all. Afterwards, you'll never dare to say anything is expensive for BD the strong.

They have a chart for everything

 

[Bilal9]

They have a chart for everything

Why don't you produce some charts yourself? I'm serious.

Good lord, the saltiness of this thread is amazing...

So, acc to BD members India makes inferior products and they dont wanna have any thing to do with India. No relation, nothing. So, does that mean BD has no agency and is bullied by enemy state India to buy inferior products from India itself. Lolwa. I mean, its either that or you actually have agency and make your own decision, which one is it?

See my post on L&T at Page 3 where I supported buying Indian equipment. We are capable of critical and rational thinking because we don't tolerate racist organizations like RSS, and don't idolize Hitler either. Most Bangladeshis don't have a beef with Indian people, but rather your govts. racist/bullying military action across the border and sub-par discriminatory organizational attitudes flouting generally accepted international norms. Our collective patience will not last forever though, until a total trade boycott happens.

 

[bd_4_ever]

Well L&T set up a JV for these turbines in Hajira (near Surat) and it seems to be an okay source, being that it uses Mitsubishi technology and nothing indigenous developed in India. They are capable of building turbines up to 5000/6000 MW level. Also because the Chinese are even starting to source from them. If the Russians will stand behind L&T, it is a low-cost source for OEM capital machinery we can't really ignore. The benefit will be to us and our industry in terms of cost. But we should have had a clause in the contract where we'd have approval rights for any subcontractors which is a lesson for future overseas contracts. I don't think our govt. folks,

1. Either went that far into evaluating the contract clauses properly, or
2. Russians didn't agree with this clause of us choosing third-party subcontractors on a fixed price contract.

IMHO I'd be much happier if we sourced from Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia or even Pakistan, but the last low-cost option simply did not exist.

It is my belief that we should prefer to source from countries,

a) who see eye-to-eye with us on political interests
b) who are friendly Islamic second world countries, like Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia

That is a possibility. I would reckon the onus is on our policymakers for not having clarified out the clauses. Regardless, I am not really worked up regarding taking Indian subcontractors. As i said, all I care about is the quality and the job well done. Its our first such project, it has to be done good to lay foundation and experience for the future ones.

About the countries we mentioned, we haven't yet reached a level of critical political understanding with them. Only recently after the Rohingya incident we have decided to look elsewhere. But that is subject to our nuclear plant being pending which is not an option. Hence, just go with what options we have.

 

[bluesky]

And your point is?

My point is, if Pakistanis do not eat grass by building the useless nuclear weapons, BD will certainly not be eating grass by building nuclear power stations for peaceful use.

 

[El Sidd]

My point is, if Pakistanis do not eat grass by building the useless nuclear weapons, BD will certainly not be eating grass by building nuclear power stations for peaceful use.

You can peacefully argue that you don't need a nuclear power plant in a cramped up place and instead use the opportunity to create jobs by producing renewable energy.

Sure you can build one in theory yes. My argument is you don't need to.

P.s. don't worry no one will say you may have nuclear ambitions. Days building nuclear arsenal in the world is over.

 

[Nilgiri]

The benefit will be to us and our industry in terms of cost.

Cost sure.

Your industry? LOL. How does something benefit when its zero to begin with?

BD has no heavy industry period....not even basic modular integration.

Everything will be done by the Russians, its why they are charging like 3 - 4 times the price they usually do for such a reactor. 12 billion, holy crap. Hand holding for basic things is premium da?

BD would get far better return using 12 billion to import and assemble cheap PV from China for smoothing its rural and township electric supply....but nope you have to pick the priciest option (several times over) for base load possible lol (compared to coal, gas etc)....just because nuclear appeals to some ego in some BAL circle jerk lol. I mean there is absolutely 0 chance of BD expanding its nuclear power/heavy industry in any time period to justify a 12 billion initial cost.

What a terrible scam....timing could not be worse given the scarcity of working capital in BD.

You can peacefully argue that you don't need a nuclear power plant in a cramped up place and instead use the opportunity to create jobs by producing renewable energy.

Sure you can build one in theory yes. My argument is you don't need to.

P.s. don't worry no one will say you may have nuclear ambitions. Days building nuclear arsenal in the world is over.

These people do zero CBA and critical thinking. Your argument is lost on them, dont waste much time on it.

But anyway it will benefit Russia and India (and BD ego) at the expense of BD reality....just sit back and watch the fun.

 

[UKBengali]

Cost sure.

Your industry? LOL. How does something benefit when its zero to begin with?

BD has no heavy industry period....not even basic modular integration.

Everything will be done by the Russians, its why they are charging like 3 - 4 times the price they usually do for such a reactor. 12 billion, holy crap. Hand holding for basic things is premium da?

BD would get far better return using 12 billion to import and assemble cheap PV from China for smoothing its rural and township electric supply....but nope you have to pick the priciest option (several times over) for base load possible lol (compared to coal, gas etc)....just because nuclear appeals to some ego in some BAL circle jerk lol. I mean there is absolutely 0 chance of BD expanding its nuclear power/heavy industry in any time period to justify a 12 billion initial cost.

What a terrible scam....timing could not be worse given the scarcity of working capital in BD.



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Can you do some basic research before posting?
Vietnam was quoted 18 billion US dollars for combined 4GW nuclear power stations
from Russia and Japan.
Yes, BD is paying a little more but this plant will run for 50 years with running costs a fraction
that of coal, oil and gas. Electricity generation costs will be similar to any other type of plant in BD.
After this plant, another one is planned by 2030 as BD wants to reduce reliance on dirty oil and coal fired power plants. Gas is a little cleaner but not as clean as a safe nuclear power station.