India to supply Non-nuclear equipments to Rooppur Nuclear Power Plant.

[Nilgiri]

Vietnam was quoted 18 billion US dollars for combined 4GW nuclear power stations
from Russia and Japan.
Yes, BD is paying a little more

Vietnam cancelled it because of that. Key difference (and Vietnam is economically in much better shape than BD it must also be said)

http://energypost.eu/vietnam-dumps-nuclear-power-economic-reasons-rest-south-east-asia-may-follow/

Even the 18 billion for 4GW is a lot cheaper per unit than 13 billion for 1.2/2.4 GW (whatever the 13 billion covers its unclear, neither do we know if 13 billion is the guaranteed final cost, who knows what the potential escalations will be)

running costs a fraction

Not with the heritage of liability and 1st time insurance costs of a 1st nuclear power plant....esp with no commited long term major expansion and industrial base that can absorb critical (even non nuclear side) technologies right now and achieve even projected economies of scale.

The money was much better off improving other sources of energy, logistics and light manufacturing so you actually have some semblance of SME where it counts down the road and then evaluate at that point.

 

[UKBengali]

Vietnam cancelled it because of that. Key difference (and Vietnam is economically in much better shape than BD it must also be said)

http://energypost.eu/vietnam-dumps-nuclear-power-economic-reasons-rest-south-east-asia-may-follow/

Even the 18 billion for 4GW is a lot cheaper per unit than 13 billion for 1.2/2.4 GW (whatever the 13 billion covers its unclear, neither do we know if 13 billion is the guaranteed final cost, who knows what the potential escalations will be)



Not with the heritage of liability and 1st time insurance costs of a 1st nuclear power plant....esp with no commited long term major expansion and industrial base that can absorb critical (even non nuclear side) technologies right now and achieve even projected economies of scale.

The money was much better off improving other sources of energy, logistics and light manufacturing so you actually have some semblance of SME where it counts down the road and then evaluate at that point.

Again, please research a bit before posting.

BD will pay 13 billion US fixed for 2.4GW. It is in the contract.

Running costs of ALL nuclear power plants are always much lower than fossil fuel types. Does not matter if Russia has to take back all nuclear waste as you are not spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year on buying fuel like oil, coal and gas to burn in the plant to generate electricity.
BD has plans for at least another nuclear plant by 2030 and so economies of scale will come into play.

Vietnam is different as it has ample oil and hydroelectric resources that BD lacks.

You are either unemployed or underemployed, and so I do not understand why you
cannot find time for basic research.

 

[Śakra]

Not with the heritage of liability and 1st time insurance costs of a 1st nuclear power plant....esp with no commited long term major expansion and industrial base that can absorb critical (even non nuclear side) technologies right now and achieve even projected economies of scale.

The money was much better off improving other sources of energy, logistics and light manufacturing so you actually have some semblance of SME where it counts down the road and then evaluate at that point.

They don't even have an educated population to run the reactors. Who will they hire to make sure the plants produce electricity instead of chernobyls?

 

[Śakra]

Chernobyl wont happen even with 0 staff and everything going wrong. This is fundamentally a different design from Russia.

As for the staff, lets see what ends up happening and where they come from/ handholding that needs to be done. These are the kinds of things that people here want to transfer on 1:1 basis cost wise from other projects in countries with much better human capital heritage.

Chernobyl was an exaggeration. I guess this will end up like all of the other higher-end positions in the banglerdash economy, run by foreigners (mostly Indian). 200 million of them and not a single good university to produce an educated workforce

 

[I S I]

Why Baangla needs a reactor at a hefty cost of 13 Billion dollars when they can just buy the electricity off the shelf from India without taking any risks like radiation fallout & other stuffs?

 

[Valar.]

C'mon yaar. I've been saying for ages Pakistani tech-professionals haven't chosen Bangladesh as a destination to come work in and we've now been swarmed with Bhartis. When will that happen? You can lead a horse to water.....

Our door is open. We can all share in the wealth.

You're too worked up. Have some Nehari.

Sir please do not humiliate us, what chance do we poor desert dwelling Pakistanis have in offering anything high tech to glorious BD

Thanks for the nihari though

 

[UKBengali]

Again the one that has not researched the issue is you. If you cherry pick the definition of a "running cost" on 1:1 basis with industrially inept BD instead of factoring in even basic western level liability amortisation....well its a terrible argument. Of course can't really much expect a whole lot from a 60%+ poverty rate afflicted community in UK in the critical thinking department.

Stop pretending you are some nuclear expert when you are not.
12.65 billion US dollars for plant that will have a life of around 50 years and no need to spend hundreds of millions every year on buying fuel is economic for BD.

It portends to every other country abandoning nuclear power plans because of the costs too?

Vietnam has cheaper options as it has it's own oil and hydroelectric power sources and so why should it go for nuclear when it is more expensive?
BD has no choice but to go for nuclear as it needs plants that will be able to run on a source of fuel that will be available for many thousands of years and is clean. BD cannot afford to run all it's plants from dirty fossil fuel sources.
By the time any sort of costs for decommissioning come up BD will at the least have graduated to middle-income status and will have ample resources to pay for this.

BD is simply entering this industry at the worst time with the worst commited scale possible (2400 MW and just 1 potential follow on?)....and will thus get short changed in the worst possible way (at huge detriment given the opportunity cost). Totally the reverse of how say the South Koreans did it in their industrialisation....but hey again you get to realise this in a long term sustained way as usual....like with everything else today.

After all, how exactly does 170 million people have a single digit local % share in their own (low as it is per capita) motorcycle demand (taking a very high frequency output and basic heritage industry marker)? Its frankly astounding, you have to try really hard to be that bad at basic SME and light manufacturing. And you want to top load a nuclear power plant on that flimsy SME chain, yeah ok good plan. Someone obviously found it cheap and easy to buy someone off in the BD govt yet again (not surprising given where BD ranks in corruption and insititutional quality and also why it taxes input chains past LDC quota based RMG atrociously). No coherent sequentially based common sense industrial development policy whatsoever.

You are no nuclear expert or have any idea of industrial policy.

BD has a plan to generate around 10% of it's total electricity from nuclear sources. It is almost certainly likely that another nuclear power plant will be built by 2030 and more will follow afterwards.

It was 12 billion earlier. Funny that now isn't it. Has anyone even read the fine print in the pricing (as though any project like this commits like this esp with the recent history of Rouble devaluation versus USD)? Here you are throwing words like "fixed" (which itself is variable in absolute vs relative terms). Show me the evidence.

The actual cost was fixed at $12.65 billion last year. Out of this the Russian loan is $11.38 billion. As BD pays nothing for 10 years and the 20 year repayments only start in 2027 it seems like an ok deal for BD.

What are you trying to achieve here dude? BD power generation will go up multiple folds and this along with all the other infrastructure being built will help sustain economic growth.
Go and cry with your butthurt as BD is making the transition in the next 5-7 years into a country with decent infrastructure at last. This is what has been holding back BD over the last few decades. AL will almost certainly win the next election and so stability till 2024 is guaranteed.

 

[prashantazazel]

I am having a hard time understanding what you mention as 'agency'. Is this Indian English?

You are reflecting your inadequacy upon others.
Definition of agency
plural agencies
: the office or function of an agent (see agent 4): the relationship between a principal and that person's agent
2: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power : operation

 

[Kopa Shamsu]

why do we need to involve those things in our business?let them be where they are,we will do ours.

 

[fallstuff]

Bangladesh readies deals to involve India.
by- Manjurul Ahsan

Bangladesh has agreed in principle to allow India to supply non-nuclear components, including turbines, for Rooppur nuclear power plant and manpower for its construction.
Two contracts –– one involving Bangladesh, Russia and India and the other between Russia and India –– are likely to be signed by December in this regard, said officials.
The contract documents have already been finalised and would be signed
soon, science and technology minister Yeafesh Osman told New Age on Tuesday.
The bilateral contract between Russia and India would allow India to supply some components, like turbines, for the power plant while the trilateral agreement would enable Russia and Bangladesh to obtain third-party services from India, he said.
‘We are mainly interested in India’s experience in constructing and regulating nuclear power plants built on Russian technology,’ he added.
The non-nuclear components include a set of components –– coolants, turbines, generators –– for converting heat energy into electric energy, officials said.
The nuclear components include a set of components namely fuel, moderators, control rods and shielding associated with the nuclear reactor, they said.
Bangladesh is implementing its maiden nuclear power project with generation 3+ Russian Water-Water Energetic Reactors or VVER technology.
On November 30, prime minister Sheikh Hasina poured the first concrete of a VVER-1200 reactor unit to be set up at Rooppur in Pabna. The pouring of first concrete for another VVER-1200 reactor unit is scheduled for 2018.
Bangladesh Atomic Energy Commission engaged Russia’s state-run Atomstroyexport as contractor for building the two-unit nuclear power plant with a total 2,400MW capacity under an intergovernmental agreement with Russia.
Expert in nuclear technology Shaheed Hossain, also former scientific officer of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said that there was no problem if India supplied non-nuclear components of the power plant.
India would not supply nuclear components as it was not a recognised supplier, he said, adding that Russia might use India’s manpower in constructing the power plant as the country had already gathered experience through the construction of a VVER-1000 reactor.
VVER-1000 reactor installed at Kudankulam in India is similar to the VVER-1200 reactors to be installed at Rooppur, he explained.
Bangladesh can use India’s experience in installing nuclear power plants as India has already installed one with the VVER technology and installation of six units is underway, said former Atomic Energy Commission chairman MA Quaiyum.
The commission is implementing the nuclear power project at the cost of $13.21 billion with 90 per cent supplier’s credit from Russian Federation. The first unit of the two-unit nuclear power plant is expected to be commissioned by 2022 and the other by 2023.
On April 8, 2017, during a visit of Bangladesh prime minister Sheikh Hasina to India, the two countries signed three deals –– Cooperation in Peaceful uses of Nuclear Energy, Exchange of Technical Information and Cooperation in the Regulation of Nuclear Safety and Radiation Protection and Cooperation regarding Nuclear Power Plant Projects in Bangladesh.
On September 20, India’s Atomic Energy Commission chairman Shekhar Basu told the 61st general conference of International Atomic Energy Agency that India was collaborating with Russia to build the Rooppur nuclear power plant in Bangladesh, the first initiative under an Indo-Russia deal to undertake atomic energy projects in third countries, according to a report of India’s state news agency PTI.
His remarks raised questions in India about how far it would involve in building the Rooppur nuclear power plant as the country was not a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a 48-member grouping controlling the export of materials, equipment and technology to be used to manufacture nuclear infrastructures, according to the PTI news.
Russia and India in December 2014 signed an agreement titled ‘Strategic Vision for Strengthening Cooperation in Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy’ between the two countries.
Source: The Daily NEWAGE

Oh Sh*t here we go again, Bharti 'technology'....

The few dollars we save won't be worth it at all....even if they simply copy designs.

Russians claim the wholesale crashes of the Mig-21 from clear blue sky were mostly result of poor maintenance and parts made by India which fail to meet the standards.

The other issue is the possibility of India holding out on delivery to delay the project on a whim.

 

[Bilal9]

The other issue is the possibility of India holding out on delivery to delay the project on a whim.

You are right. I did not consider that possibility at all.

You are reflecting your inadequacy upon others.
Definition of agency
plural agencies
: the office or function of an agent (see agent 4): the relationship between a principal and that person's agent
2: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power : operation

Thanks for the quote there, and no, I wasn't 'reflecting my inadequacy' on him/her. I was simply asking someone to elaborate.

The point is context. In all my travels and work in most English-speaking countries, I have never heard anyone use the word that way. It may be common usage in India but not outside of it. But to end the argument - you are right, let it be my 'inadequacy'.

 

[Bilal9]

What are you trying to achieve here dude? BD power generation will go up multiple folds and this along with all the other infrastructure being built will help sustain economic growth.
Go and cry with your butthurt as BD is making the transition in the next 5-7 years into a country with decent infrastructure at last. This is what has been holding back BD over the last few decades. AL will almost certainly win the next election and so stability till 2024 is guaranteed.

Thanks for unmasking his 'instant google expertise'. He is an 'instant' expert on any matter, like 'instant' coffee. This is to enhance his credibility so his 'dumping on Bangladesh' posts seem genuine and credible.

I am surprised he hasn't gotten banned yet for his racist troll posts here. @Oscar, @waz and @WAJsal bhais your knowledgeable opinions please on trolling. This has become a huge issue here mostly with a few Indian trolls. The alternative would be most of us Bangladeshis leaving and forming our own forum.

His anti-Bangladesh and anti-AL rants and troll posts are only to try and please Pakistanis here, so he doesn't get banned for trolling. He may be the only pro-Pakistani Sanghi I know. However I'm pretty sure reasonable Pakistani folks (such as the mods here) know his two-faced character going by his posts.

His rants are doing one thing though, speedily souring Bangladeshi opinion about India down to an even more slippery slope down to inevitable dumping duty regime, and eventual complete trade boycott. Bangladeshi opinion about India on the street is at an all time historic low, so I don't know if the Indian Govt. actually wants it that way (total trade boycott and travel ban). I am eagerly waiting for that day to arrive. The sufferers will be the sane folks in India powerless to do anything against these rabid Sanghis who run their country.

We have over fifteen billion (some say close to twenty billion) dollars worth of trade yearly with India, mostly (98%) in favor of India. I want to congratulate this troll for getting the trade boycott done so we can concentrate on

a) continuing to building our import-substitution industries as well as
b) diversify other import sources from either Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia (besides China of course).

This will be 100% to our own benefit as a country instead of lazy reliance on sub-par Indian products.

He is a 'nothing' entity of no import and no consequence. He is only looking for recognition and attention, given that his inferiority-complex-ridden self probably doesn't get that in real life.

Don't reply to him and don't tag him. I've requested you Bangladeshis repeatedly. If I see any Bangladeshi doing this in the future, I will consider them Bharti false-flaggers.

Tagging and replying to his smelly posts will only enable his ilk, so I have gone to his profile and 'ignored' him, I don't see his posts anymore or don't need to see his provocations. Good riddance to him and his garbage posts!

 

[Dot]

Russians claim the wholesale crashes of the Mig-21 from clear blue sky were mostly result of poor maintenance and parts made by India which fail to meet the standards.

The other issue is the possibility of India holding out on delivery to delay the project on a whim.

Don't know what to say on the "Quality" concern. Hope enough scrutiny would be there to ensure the required standard. As for any possible delay on Indian part, I have a Good news! As per the contract between the Russian contractor and Bangladesh govt, if the plant does not come online within a stipulated time-frame with a specific efficiency (most probably by 2024-2025), the Russian contractor would have to pay up for the loss of electricity that's suppossed to be generated.

 

[Bilal9]

Sir please do not humiliate us, what chance do we poor desert dwelling Pakistanis have in offering anything high tech to glorious BD

Thanks for the nihari though

For starters - I do not see (nor have I ever said) Pakistan or Pakistanis are poor.

Fortunes of countries go up and down all the time. The size of the middle class in Pakistan is estimated to surpass that of the UK and Italy during 2016-2021. The average person in Bangladesh has to see this as positive because it means increased trade. If we substituted Indian imports with Pakistani ones (Fast Moving Consumer Goods alone, like personal hygiene, processed food and toiletries) that would be quite a boost to Pakistan's economy by itself.

Pakistanis of the present generation had nothing to do with 1971, so my opinion is we should move on and build new futures conducive to each other. I've said this starting from my first few posts here.

The countries and interests that want to see enmity between us want it for their own selfish interests.

Let the commonality of 'Paya' and 'Nihari' bind us!

 

[UKBengali]

Thanks for unmasking his 'instant google expertise'. He is an 'instant' expert on any matter, like 'instant' coffee. This is to enhance his credibility so his 'dumping on Bangladesh' posts seem genuine and credible.

I am surprised he hasn't gotten banned yet for his racist troll posts here. @Oscar, @waz and @WAJsal bhais your knowledgeable opinions please on trolling. This has become a huge issue here mostly with a few Indian trolls. The alternative would be most of us Bangladeshis leaving and forming our own forum.

His anti-Bangladesh and anti-AL rants and troll posts are only to try and please Pakistanis here, so he doesn't get banned for trolling. He may be the only pro-Pakistani Sanghi I know. However I'm pretty sure reasonable Pakistani folks (such as the mods here) know his two-faced character going by his posts.

His rants are doing one thing though, speedily souring Bangladeshi opinion about India down to an even more slippery slope down to inevitable dumping duty regime, and eventual complete trade boycott. Bangladeshi opinion about India on the street is at an all time historic low, so I don't know if the Indian Govt. actually wants it that way (total trade boycott and travel ban). I am eagerly waiting for that day to arrive. The sufferers will be the sane folks in India powerless to do anything against these rabid Sanghis who run their country.

We have over fifteen billion (some say close to twenty billion) dollars worth of trade yearly with India, mostly (98%) in favor of India. I want to congratulate this troll for getting the trade boycott done so we can concentrate on

a) continuing to building our import-substitution industries as well as
b) diversify other import sources from either Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia (besides China of course).

This will be 100% to our own benefit as a country instead of lazy reliance on sub-par Indian products.

He is a 'nothing' entity of no import and no consequence. He is only looking for recognition and attention, given that his inferiority-complex-ridden self probably doesn't get that in real life.

Don't reply to him and don't tag him. I've requested you Bangladeshis repeatedly. If I see any Bangladeshi doing this in the future, I will consider them Bharti false-flaggers.

Tagging and replying to his smelly posts will only enable his ilk, so I have gone to his profile and 'ignored' him, I don't see his posts anymore or don't need to see his provocations. Good riddance to him and his garbage posts!

He should be banned for his trolling I agree.