India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[Guynextdoor2]

I've a question here.
Consider hypothetically that by 2025, we replace all MiGs (other than MiG 29s), Mirage 2000s and Jaguar and replace them all with Rafale, FGFA and LCA Mk 2, with MKI upgrades and AMCA in induction complimented by a large fleet of MAR and AWACS, do we still need 42 squadrons as projected now, considering there is a huge capability jump involved here.

42 Squadron strength has been declared as optimum by IAF. Plus there will be a 'quantum jump' for our enemies (read China) too. So yes, we will still need numbers.

This article directly contradicts the points made by Le Monde (a far more credible outlet IMHO) so I wouldn't place too much weight behind it. It seems they have heard the "63 jets bought off the shelf from France", have not bothered to understand where that figure has come from (the exact number contained within the original MMRCA RFP for follow-on units) and jumped to the conclusion this means the end of the MMRCA. Now I've thought about it some more and seen this article from Le Monde I'm not convinced by this Indian media analysis of the whole thing.

Well I hope you're right. Let's see what they say.

 

[gslv]

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Even then they could hardly give 10-12 a year considering they have also different commitments to Egypt and their own air force.

 

[thesolar65]

So it will be Right handed drive or Left handed??

 

[SuperSubrayan]

I've a question here.
Consider hypothetically that by 2025, we replace all MiGs (other than MiG 29s), Mirage 2000s and Jaguar and replace them all with Rafale, FGFA and LCA Mk 2, with MKI upgrades and AMCA in induction complimented by a large fleet of MAR and AWACS, do we still need 42 squadrons as projected now, considering there is a huge capability jump involved here.

Very true . It's like walking on the rope for Modi ji. Bloody congress spoiled our IAF and Under water fleet or all armed forces for that matter. We have no choice but to spend more to fill in the blanks which left vacant for many years now. For a decade. But not to worry bhai . Our leader will take forward this nation. TEJAS Mk2 /MK 1 ( Bad nor good .First we need them in numbers to replace all mig21 )

AMCA has to pick up now . As things are moving fast in this field as Engine is more or less conformed . Again Good or bad . Need them in numbers to replace other migs other than 29.

Now 60 rafale + 50 mirage 2KI will be our insurance for any delay in all the above . But If we succeed in AMCA LCA 2 and these Mirage and Rafale will pay the way to form 42+ squadron's .

For heavy we have abandon resources at home itself . Super sukoi will be our insurance for delay in FGFA. But I belive since MMRCA cut downed to 60 . We can expect 1 squadron of PAKFA from Russia before FGFA takes shape ...

Let's not go off topic . But this deal is very important . Our PM must have been advised by all other brains of Strategic planning of India. So trust our PM moves

 

[Green Angel]

Euro fighter is better choice than Rafale?.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

My vote and tax money, strangely both seem to be working

Feeling is mutual.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Does French has 30 per year supply line ? Or they will give us their used one in service till we get all 60 ?

I believe they have the capacity to ramp it up to 30 a year

@halloweene @Gabriel92

 

[SuperSubrayan]

Even then they could hardly give 10-12 a year considering they have also different commitments to Egypt and their own air force.

But what if they slow down supply for Egypt ? And 2017 is our proposal . So let's wait by 9.30 PM tonight for press meet after both take a Nauv pe Charcha

 

[anant_s]

Very true . It's like walking on the rope for Modi ji. Bloody congress spoiled our IAF and Under water fleet or all armed forces for that matter. We have no choice but to spend more to fill in the blanks which left vacant for many years now. For a decade. But not to worry bhai . Our leader will take forward this nation. TEJAS Mk2 /MK 1 ( Bad nor good .First we need them in numbers to replace all mig21 )

AMCA has to pick up now . As things are moving fast in this field as Engine is more or less conformed . Again Good or bad . Need them in numbers to replace other migs other than 29.

Now 60 rafale + 50 mirage 2KI will be our insurance for any delay in all the above . But If we succeed in AMCA LCA 2 and these Mirage and Rafale will pay the way to form 42+ squadron's .

For heavy we have abandon resources at home itself . Super sukoi will be our insurance for delay in FGFA. But I belive since MMRCA cut downed to 60 . We can expect 1 squadron of PAKFA from Russia before FGFA takes shape ...

Let's not go off topic . But this deal is very important . Our PM must have been advised by all other brains of Strategic planning of India. So trust our PM moves

The thing i like most about Modi and his administration is that they are leading by the example. They are not shying away from taking decisions & just shows you if thinking is pragmatic and forward looking, there are solutions available, even in seemingly most messy situation.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I've a question here.
Consider hypothetically that by 2025, we replace all MiGs (other than MiG 29s), Mirage 2000s and Jaguar and replace them all with Rafale, FGFA and LCA Mk 2, with MKI upgrades and AMCA in induction complimented by a large fleet of MAR and AWACS, do we still need 42 squadrons as projected now, considering there is a huge capability jump involved here.

42 Sqn is the minimum strength the IAF needs to deal with both China and Pakistan to ensure the security of India's skies. This number is going to be increased to 49/50 by 2030 as the PLAAF and PAF grow and the Indian economy takes off.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

I believe they have the capacity to ramp it up to 30 a year

@halloweene @Gabriel92

Ohhh then if France can help us out from our mess. Or they can supply us with used rafale in some numbers in 2016 and supply new one squadron for others and in 2017 solely to IAF . If it's take 2019 also no problem . It's better than 1st entering into IAF in 2018/19 as per our previous plan . Fingers crossed for provisions in this deal for additional 60 at the same cost or slightly higher . Hope its 62+62 But I know sometimes I get am carried away . all I need is to buy some new toys for our IAF

 

[micky]

UK dreams came true !!! MMRCA likely be cancelled and New govt to govt agreement to be inked win win for both of us U and Me to be precise

If the same deal done by MMS ?

not at all possible man,,,,,,,, there is a gandhi family in b/w

 

[The_Sidewinder]

42 Sqn is the minimum strength the IAF needs to deal with both China and Pakistan to ensure the security of India's skies. This number is going to be increased to 49/50 by 2030 as the PLAAF and PAF grow and the Indian economy takes off.

With the thread perception & war attiriation takibg into account I feel.sometimes even 60 squadrons feels bare minimum.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

So it will be Right handed drive or Left handed??

We prefer full RIGHT for Hindustan

not at all possible man,,,,,,,, there is a gandhi family in b/w

They are history .

 

[Manindra]

not at all possible man,,,,,,,, there is a gandhi family in b/w

I know there are stupid cult who love modi over India