India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[Asian.Century]

Don't worry we are moving in a right direction, this is a Tata Lockheed Martin Aerostructures Ltd

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This is a aerospace factory which your country never even dream about....

LOL - You prove my point, Tata LOCKHEED MARTIN - 99% Foreign US donated tech, only piece of land is in India and maybe some cheap labour & steel.

Stop making a Fool of India, with 'Make in India' n Indians so called indigenous inventions. Its a Joke!

Tell me how can you go to France, and ask the foreigners for 'Make in India' ?? it sounds crazy and disappointing for Indian and its Prime Minister to carry such a slogan.

 

[The Huskar]

Happy Rongali bihu bondhu. Axakoru bihubto kuxole mongole jauge. Right now pitha ponar raw materials or bojar ote byosto asu.

Amuru ghorot pitha.ladu bonai ase juwakailoir pora.

 

[Abingdonboy]

600 + Technical criteria applied only on high attitude without making public ?

No, 600+ for the entire evaluation for the MMRCA bid.

 

[The Huskar]

The "kickbacks" argument when it comes to Indian defence deals has long since past, the rules in place are so stringent that the question of graft has virtually been removed the issue now is the MoD has been (perhaps is even today) run by bureaucrats who are so afraid of the mere perception of wrongdoing that they would chose inaction over sticking their neck out even the slightest bit.


Such as?

Sir,do you think some amount of TOT is possible on such a deal.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Do you know how much our frontline naval ship use or may be use in future US GT engine, EMALS etc.?

You mean LM 2500 gas turbine engines? Only Shivalik class frigates use them as of now - manufactured by HAL. As for the future - no one can be sure - the MMRCA deal until now was supposed to be 126 fighter deal - now its 63.

600 + Technical criteria applied only on high attitude without making public ?

If there would have been anything fishy - the CAG would have taken a note of it as it usually does.

 

[Indo-guy]

The announcement should be BEFORE the boat ride

Otherwise they will say that FRANCE has taken MODI for a ride

I just hope they do not end up sinking each other !

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

The "kickbacks" argument when it comes to Indian defence deals has long since past, the rules in place are so stringent that the question of graft has virtually been removed the issue now is the MoD has been (perhaps is even today) run by bureaucrats who are so afraid of the mere perception of wrongdoing that they would chose inaction over sticking their neck out even the slightest bit.


Such as?

you mean indian babu's are scared of taking "bribe"i guess that was the biggest joke on this thread

trust me sir no matter how tight the contract maybe there still be some "leakages" or say "loopholes"

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sir,do you think some amount of TOT is possible on such a deal.

Lol, the third "sir" of the day, come on guys I am only 20!!


And I think for the right place ToT for certain tech is possible.

 

[Manindra]

F18 is a old design which has limited future development scope.. Barring growler, SH lags Rafale everywhere.. The most important segment is its thrust to weight ratio which is 0.93.. IAFs requirement is above 1..

And IAF had good experience while operating M2K in 1999..

F-18 is old not F-18 Super Hornet
Your own badly written sources confirm that F-18 does not lag Rafale much except if it would be strip down model.

 

[drunken-monke]

LOL - You prove my point, Tata LOCKHEED MARTIN - 99% Foreign US donated tech, only piece of land is in India and maybe some cheap labour & steel.

Stop making a Fool of India, with 'Make in India' n Indians so called indigenous inventions. Its a Joke!

Tell me how can you go to France, and ask the foreigners for 'Make in India' ?? it sounds crazy and disappointing for Indian and its Prime Minister to carry such a slogan.

That's what China has been doing.. Meanwhile Pakistan Tourism departments advertisement,

''Have a blast , it might be your last" !!!

Ever you thought of why foreign multinational companies are not investing / setting up RND manufacturing sites at Pakistan?

 

[Abingdonboy]

the MMRCA deal until now was supposed to be 126 fighter deal - now its 63.

Or 189 (63+ 126)

 

[drunken-monke]

F-18 is old not F-18 Super Hornet
Your own badly written sources confirm that F-18 does not lag Rafale much except if it would be strip down model.

And do you expect USA/Boeing to give state of the art version to India??

 

[Manindra]

No, 600+ for the entire evaluation for the MMRCA bid.

They don't make public that which criteria they disqualify F-18 except engine start in Leh. Rest you can guess.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Abingdonboy

There were more than 643 test points

Source French jet Rafale bags $20bn IAF fighter order; India 'briefs' losing European countries - The Times of India

after grueling field trials by IAF test pilots found only Rafale and Typhoon "compliant" on all the 643-660 technical parameters laid down to meet specific operational requirements of India.

 

[Bang Galore]

Oh boy! More fun news on the Rafale:

Swamy Threatens 'Legal Recourse' If Govt Goes Ahead With Rafale Deal



BJP leader Subramanian Swamy today threatened to take legal recourse if government went ahead with Rafale jet deal with France, saying there were shortcomings in the fighter aircraft.

Swamy, National Executive member of the party, requested Prime Minister Narendra Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

Modi is currently in France and will hold comprehensive talks with the French leadership during which the Rafale deal is likely to figure.

"There are two major issues with the Rafale Aircraft deal which would embarrass the BJP government. The first is that Rafale is less fuel efficient aircraft and lacking in essential performance characteristic that no country in the world has agreed to buy these aircraft," Swamy said in a statement.

"If the Prime Minister for some other 'compulsion' decides to go ahead with the deal, I will have no option but to approach the court in PIL to get it set aside," he said.

The statement further said that some countries have cancelled contract after signing an MoU with Dassault.

"It is a fact that Dassault will go bankrupt if no country buys the Rafale and we want to oblige the French goodwill, it is better to buy Dassault itself rather than their planes as it will be more beneficial," the leader added.

Rafale was selected by India from among five bidders in 2012 since it was the lowest bidder.

While initially, the deal was expected to be around USD 10 billion, it is now estimated to be over USD 20 billion.

Swamy Threatens 'Legal Recourse' If Govt Goes Ahead With Rafale Deal