India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[ptltejas]

The ORIGINAL DEAL had the provision of 126 PLUS 63 planes as options

The deal size is getting BIGGER

Not think so, we do not need numbers but quality, i think so, cause, su-30 mki 270, then Pak-fa and FGFA, LCA mk-1 and mk-2 will be their so how many fighters we need? perhaps it will be not 126 + 63 when the decision on 126 is pending.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

it is imperatively clear
Step 1: MMRCA had 126+63 follow on Off the shelf clause
Step 2: Buy 63 off the shelf now
STep 3: Continue negotiations for MMRCA 126 (18 flyaway +108 HAL produced ones)

Step 4:Ensure French government commits to Make In India properly by pushing Dassault and enhancing the capability of HAL in India and Hollande in France who with this contract will emerge more powerful within French politics. Thus this breakthrough is win win for all

Step 5: End for all end speculations of India buying everything from Eurofighter to Su35Stealth or Su 34 or Mig 35

Step 6: No more crying for IAF squadron falling numbers

Step 7: Make a clear pathway for LCA Mk2 and AMCA and status of FGFA (if its happening)

 

[Sine Nomine]

You cant even afford Sour grapes

Keep Flying the Super Duper JF17 with Alien spec DSI

At least we are Flying this sour grape,75 are flying and 25 will be produced this year so of course we don't need sweet grapes like MMRCA and LCA years of work and still not a full operation squadron,you should worry about your own sweet grapes we are happy with our sour garpes.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

France HAS already conveyed to India that the best way to REDUCE COSTS
is to make MORE planes in France

And that is also the case if we want the planes ASAP

So both cost factors and time factors are at work here

 

[uparyupari]

Here is a news from 26July, 2011

Biggest deal: IAF may buy 189 jets for $20bn

The “mother” could well become the “granny” of all defence deals in the years ahead. India is likely to go in for another 63 fighters after the delivery of the first 126 MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) if the “timelines” for its other fighter development projects are not met, say top defence officials.

This would be the biggest overhaul of any air force in the world in such a short period. When the MMRCA selection process was initiated by the defence ministry (MoD) in mid-2007, the overall project cost was pegged at Rs 42,000 crore, or $10.4 billion, for 126 fighters. But it will zoom beyond $20 billion if India decides to opt for 189 jets since inflation is also being factored in. Even with 126 jets, this is the biggest such fighter contract in the world as of now.

This comes as the MoD is set to open commercial bids of the two jets left in the MMRCA fray—French Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon—“in a week or two”.

Eurofighter Typhoon is backed by the UK, Germany, Spain and Italy. The MoD has rejected “any scope for comeback” by the other four jets, including the American F/A-18s and F-16s, ejected out of the MMRCA race in April on technical grounds. “We are looking for only 126 fighters. The first 18 will come from abroad, while the rest 108 will be made by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd after transfer of technology from end-2016 or early-2017,” said a top MoD official.

India likely to seek another 63 fighters after delivery of the first 126

Will seek these jets if Tejas LCA and Indo-Russian stealth FGFA deadlines not met

 

[Koovie]

What happens in Paris,stays in Paris.

LOL!

 

[NKVD]

At least we are Flying this sour grape,75 are flying and 25 will be produced this year so of course

where do you adding up numbers uptill now only 64 jf-17 are produced that to in 8 years frame where to do you get 25 in year figure from

 

[Pichkari]

ye kya ho raha hai bhai!!!

 

[Koovie]

This would be a terrible decision... what about ToT? 50% offset?

A huge part of this deal was to improve OUR aviation industry by manufacturing them in India

 

[Guynextdoor2]

If it is 128 + 63, I think it's a very good option to look at. But if it's only 63, then that's an incredibly lame deal.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Will seek these jets if Tejas LCA and Indo-Russian stealth FGFA deadlines not met

It is worth noting this has come be- FGFA is nowhere in sight and whilst the LCA is now close to induction deadlines on this front have still been pushed back.

If Modi is serious about India being global/regional player it needs to have a military to back this up and 126-200 Rafales would almost change the fortunes of the IAF in one stroke -taking their weakest link (MiGs) to their biggest strength (Rafales).

If it is 128 + 63, I think it's a very good option to look at. But if it's only 63, then that's an incredibly lame deal.

Absolutely agree, 63 wouldn't be worth it.

This would be a terrible decision... what about ToT? 50% offset?

A huge part of this deal was to improve OUR aviation industry by manufacturing them in India

See posts 216 and 224 bro, things are becoming clearer...

 

[ashok321]

 

[SuperSubrayan]

• For what I am observing there should be a way out of the whole saga like following the same procedure which have been followed in case of SUKHOI 30 MKI .

First Modi will sign the contract for off the selve procurement of 60 Rafales ( 3 squadron )., then go for 124 MMRCA after solving most issues.
First of all it will helf to quickly replenish our depleting squadron strength. If MMRCA contract is signed within next 6 months, by the time HAL roles out first batch of rafales from its own production line by 2018-19, IAF will already induct 60 new toys to play with.
Thus keeps IAF happy & also HAL can rip benefits from long lasting booring MMRCA saga in form of Major TOT. Just a thought.

Exactly mate! Don't forget we need rafale M for ins vishal . We don't want f18 of any kind . Our jealous IAf want to have Rafale before IN does.

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[Manindra]

Here goes Modi's make in India rant

 

[uparyupari]

It is worth noting this has come be- FGFA is nowhere in sight and whilst the LCA is now close to induction deadlines on this front have still been pushed back.

That thought occurred to me while I read that article.

If this deal goes though, I am going to guess PAK FA is not what the IAF expects it to be. LCA is our own baby, so we need to induct it in larger numbers. Ready or not.