India to buy 26 Naval Rafales, 3 Scorpene submarines from France, deals likely to be announced during PM Modi's visit.

[CallSignMaverick]

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[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

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Good to know India wasting more money.

Pakistan's J-10C better than Indian Rafales.

Pakistan's agosta submarines better than Indian scorpenes.

 

[indushek]

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Hope they settle the 120KN new engine deal as well, within this visit.

Still this is a great forward movement

Coming to Rafale, its high time we scarp the MRFA and order 114 rafale plus these 26, and move the production line here.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Hope they settle the 120KN new engine deal as well, within this visit.

Still this is a great forward movement

Coming to Rafale, its high time we scarp the MRFA and order 114 rafale plus these 26, and move the production line here.

This is the problem, instead of ordering 140 Rafales in one go they are dividing it into batches, so that it becomes more expensive and domestic production becomes difficult.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

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[indushek]

This is the problem, instead of ordering 140 Rafales in one go they are dividing it into batches, so that it becomes more expensive and domestic production becomes difficult.

I agree, this drama of MRFA has gone for too long. Order all in one go, and tell the French to move the production line here. There is talk that, the new engine (120 KN, for AMCA mark2) France is proposing to manufacture with us can make it back to Rafale, in a plug in play mode.

Win win for both, add Barracuda design for our SSN requirement, and we get them in fully. Especially after their loss in Australia, they are even more eager now.

Our Govt is so short sighted

 

[CallSignMaverick]

I agree, this drama of MRFA has gone for too long. Order all in one go, and tell the French to move the production line here. There is talk that, the new engine (120 KN, for AMCA mark2) France is proposing to manufacture with us can make it back to Rafale, in a plug in play mode.

Win win for both, add Barracuda design for our SSN requirement, and we get them in fully. Especially after their loss in Australia, they are even more eager now.

Our Govt is so short sighted

This deal is said to be worth $11 billion for 26 Rafales and 3 Scorpene class submarines, Submarines would be built in India but Rafales will be imported, now imagine the cost savings if we had ordered all in one go.

 

[indushek]

This deal is said to be worth $11 billion for 26 Rafales and 3 Scorpene class submarines, Submarines would be built in India but Rafales will be imported, now imagine the cost savings if we had ordered all in one go.

While the overall price is something we will pay more, when we secure in such little blocks, it also effects our overall capability.

The 3 Scorpene's had to be secured, again because we delayed P75 I. Why? because our armed forces, wanted a sub with capability which isn't even in service of more advanced nations. We just are so messed up sometimes, so sad.

 

[Bossman]

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Whenever India buys French, I celebrate.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Whenever India buys French, I celebrate.

French are infamous for corruption and charging both legs and arms for their products.

For the price of 36 Rafales, India could have got 150 F-16s

Thankfully Modi is corrupt and Indians are dumb.

 

[vikan]

French are infamous for corruption and charging both legs and arms for their products.

For the price of 36 Rafales, India could have got 150 F-16s

Thankfully Modi is corrupt and Indians are dumb.

Either you are a false flagger (unlikely but possible) or a supremely ignorant troll (much more likely). 36 rafales = 150 f-16, thats troll math.

 

[RealDeal]

I agree, this drama of MRFA has gone for too long. Order all in one go, and tell the French to move the production line here. There is talk that, the new engine (120 KN, for AMCA mark2) France is proposing to manufacture with us can make it back to Rafale, in a plug in play mode.

Win win for both, add Barracuda design for our SSN requirement, and we get them in fully. Especially after their loss in Australia, they are even more eager now.

Our Govt is so short sighted

I think they are trying to take into account lca mk2 and potentially buying F35. They already missed the boat with rafale 10 years ago. All those 120 aircraft should have been on the frontlines at this monent, If a big order is placed now we will start getting them like 4-5 years from now, no point starting to induct an expensive 4.5 gen fighter that late. Best to buy another 24 Rafale and end the matter right there, then negotiate with the US for F35

 

[PakFactor]

Good to know India wasting more money.

Pakistan's J-10C better than Indian Rafales.

Pakistan's agosta submarines better than Indian scorpenes.

Bhai sab,

At least they have money to throw around; I would rather be in that position than be a nuclear power going around with a begging bowl.

Do not forget what Bajwa said they ask the West for arms who decline and as a last resort, they go Chinese.

India is being flooded with Western arms and it's raising alarm bells in the GHQ and there is not a thing they can do.

Money talks bullshit walks.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Hope they settle the 120KN new engine deal as well, within this visit.

Still this is a great forward movement

Coming to Rafale, its high time we scarp the MRFA and order 114 rafale plus these 26, and move the production line here.

France will not share any IPR or tech with India. You only will get some screwdriver tech.

Either you are a false flagger (unlikely but possible) or a supremely ignorant troll (much more likely). 36 rafales = 150 f-16, thats troll math.

India buys each Rafale for $200 million while you could have got F-16 for $60 Million

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[indushek]

I think they are trying to take into account lca mk2 and potentially buying F35. They already missed the boat with rafale 10 years ago. All those 120 aircraft should have been on the frontlines at this monent, If a big order is placed now we will start getting them like 4-5 years from now, no point starting to induct an expensive 4.5 gen fighter that late. Best to buy another 24 Rafale and end the matter right there, then negotiate with the US for F35

Yeah but these 26 are for Navy

Airforce's falling squadrons, won't get solved with this. Lca Mk1A production of 83 won't be completed, till 2027 or around. By then all the Migs and Mirages and other Russian crafts, will be retired. HAL plans to start Lca Mk2 production by then, which is kind of doubtful.

Effectively by 2030 we will have less than required squadrons of 42 or something, for two front war. Two or three squadrons of F35, is for tackling J20 of China and any possible acquirement of 5th gen by Pakistan in future.

F35 we can't acquire them in heavy numbers, even Japan and Israel are struggling to keep them running. Aircraft's availability rate isn't that great, given its tech heavy and not so rugged nature.

Further even USA is planning to keep F15 SE running for next two to three decades, as F35 can't do everything on its own. So 4.5 gen isn't going anywhere, and us getting G2G Rafale for 114 or 120 crafts will be the best to secure ourself.