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Buddy, actually i repeatly watching the two clips for a few times,

they look similiar but not exactly the same, not even the background.

All those old style missiles looks alike especially in a low defination

black&white clip, so no conclusion could be draw yet.:smitten:
:pakistan::china:

Here u go this is the real test, paint ur wet dreams with it :rofl:

 
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Leave it buddy,, No use talking to those who do not understand what democracy is, Failures hardly come out in Communist Nations.

I am from Singapore. Indian likes to come here!
 
Leave it buddy,, No use talking to those who do not understand what democracy is, Failures hardly come out in Communist Nations.

Absolutely right!! In communist nations Even the own countrymen won`t know the failures in their own country because of state controlled media let alone people of other countries
 
Leave it buddy,, No use talking to those who do not understand what democracy is, Failures hardly come out in Communist Nations.

See, am i right, you guys were pissed when we keep critisize about

Indians poverty, toilets crisis, global index etc.

But you were enjoying critisize about Chinese communist,

democracy, copying etc. over and over again.

Typical Indians style double standard logic :smitten::pakistan::china:
 
See, am i right, you guys were pissed when we keep critisize about

Indians poverty, toilets crisis, global index etc.

But you were enjoying critisize about Chinese communist,

democracy, copying etc. over and over again.

Typical Indians style double standard logic :smitten::pakistan::china:


What to say your regime did'nt let you watch your anniversary instead ask you to watch on tv :)
 
See, am i right, you guys were pissed when we keep critisize about

Indians poverty, toilets crisis, global index etc.

But you were enjoying critisize about Chinese communist,

democracy, copying etc. over and over again.

Typical Indians style double standard logic :smitten::pakistan::china:

Well, When You can do that ,why cannot we? Simple logic..... Be logical and Think Logical, afterall we cannot keep on arguing can, We?

Atleast we have the license to Purge outside, how about those 8% people in china living below poverty line? has your communist govt given them mass purging hall where they can celebrate purging time and again?
 
Yeh.... Since India is a democracy failures do come out..and these failures do force the govt. to apply corrective measures or it gets voted out..

Check out the recent article of Defense Minister to reform DRDO

Incredible India !!!!
:India: :India:

Ohh maddy, Did he mentioned about the 'time frame' its gotta to be 20-25 years

It’s official. The DRDO is a DODO. The Arjun tank is a no-show. The Tejas Light Combat Aircraft still is nowhere near completion in spite of being in development since 1983. The Prithvi missile is already obsolete. The Agni-III fell into the sea during its very first test. The air-force wouldn’t touch the Akash with a ten foot pole. India would certainly be better off without the DRDO, which has done nothing except consume ridiculous amounts of money with no positive output. At least this is what the Indian English-language media would have you believe. I am, of course, referring to the Indian Express’ eight-part exposé on the DRDO, which is one of the most stunning examples of journalistic crap I’ve seen coming from the Indian media in a long time. As if obfuscation and baseless comparisons weren’t enough, the Express has resorted to printing outright lies under the garb of investigative journalism. Because of lack of time and space, I’ve trashed only three of these articles in this post.

6,000 cr wasted, 10-yr delay & they want 150,000 cr more

Make India prosperous by establishing a world-class science and technology base...provide our Defence Services the decisive edge by equipping them with internationally competitive systems and solutions... design, develop and lead to production state-of-the-art weapons systems...

That’s the “vision” and the “mission” the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) has proudly spelt out for itself.

An investigation by The Sunday Express into official records that include detailed testimonies by the Ministry of Defence to a Parliamentary Standing Committee — its report is yet to be tabled in Parliament — shows that if there’s one thing this behemoth of 50 laboratories with a staff of about 33,000 has developed to almost perfection, it’s this: wrapping itself around the flag to hide a record of delay and non-delivery in virtually all major weapons programmes.

At a time when China is rapidly modernising its armed forces through international collaboration and acquiring advanced technology from abroad, the DRDO has become a prisoner of its own misleading slogan on self-reliance. In preventing the armed forces from buying urgently needed weapons with brave talk, “we can make it here”, and failing to deliver, the DRDO has introduced uncertainty into the government’s defence planning.

According to latest official records, obtained by this newspaper, in 12 of its showpiece projects, none of which is anywhere near completion, the DRDO has overshot sanctioned estimates by Rs 6,013.43 crore in just the last 10 years. The projects include the crucial guided missile programme, the Arjun tank, the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA Tejas), the Samyukta communication system and Kaveri jet engine.


To put this in perspective, this cost overrun is larger than DRDO’s budget of Rs 5,356 crore for the current year. And this is reflective of just 12 projects. It speaks nothing of 427 others, all in varying states of drift. And yet DRDO claims, “Global level R&D and any world-class defence product can be brought out in competitive time and cost.”

These were the words used in a September 22 presentation to the Standing Committee especially in the year of the organisation’s biggest symbolic failure, the Agni-III strategic missile.


But if cost overruns were not enough, consider this: Records show that for all major projects, DRDO’s average time overrun is 10.11 years (see chart). For example, a 16-year delay for the Arjun tank and 12 years for just Phase I of the LCA Tejas.

Responding to a written questionnaire from The Sunday Express, DRDO chief M Natarajan, who has also been involved with one of DRDO’s biggest failures, the Arjun tank, says: “This is a complaint which I hear very often. But one should understand these are all R&D projects. All advanced countries face similar situations. If you say that we are always late, then it would not be fair to us. We generally deliver the goods on time.”

f that were true, Natarajan must have had a trying time explaining that on October 29 at the very first DRDO presentation to new Defence Minister A K Antony. Drawing comparisons with the China-Russia relationship, Defence Secretary Shekhar Dutt reportedly wanted to know why there were such “massive delays” in DRDO projects and persistent technological gaps.

Former IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy was more direct. Called in a year after he retired to give testimony, he told the Parliamentary panel: “For improvement in DRDO’s working, it is essential to make fundamental changes in organization and structure with accountability to the user and to do work in time.”


Krishnaswamy couldn’t have been more spot on. For, although DRDO defended its performance by blaming the three services — they change their requirements while development is in progress, they spend too much time on trials — here’s just how bad the current situation is: In the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th Plans, with DRDO’s failures a compelling factor, according to the Defence Ministry, the country has spent an average of 24.25% of the Defence budget on imported systems to fill in holes caused by DRDO’s non-delivery. That translates into roughly Rs 42,376 crore since 1991-92

Even the “self-reliance” index, the one plank the entire DRDO justifies itself on, has remained static for the last 15 years. Ironically, in 1991, it was President A P J Abdul Kalam, then DRDO chief, who charted out a plan to push self-reliance up to 70% by 2005. Today’s self-reliance index, according to the Ministry’s own estimate: 30 per cent.



Kalam, in fact, started the Self-Reliance Implementation Council (SRIC) in 1992 and monitored it to check for slippages and gaps. But that was more an academic exercise than anything else. For five years now, the council hasn’t met once.


Papers are only “activated” when Parliamentary questions are asked. In what has the armed forces on tenterhooks now, on October 29, the DRDO recommended to Antony that a “certain percentage of defence acquisitions be earmarked exclusively for DRDO and indigenously developed products.”

The total cost of 439 projects currently in progress with DRDO adds up to Rs 16,925 crore, with just 17 of those adding up to Rs 13,560 crore, most of them on time and cost extensions. In September, DRDO asked, in its testimony to the


Parliamentary committee, for an assured allocation of Rs 1,50,000 crore at the rate of Rs 10,000 crore per year for the next 15 years starting 2010.



It’s time Antony asked the DRDO a few questions, beginning with the Integrated Guided Missile Development programme. There is no indigenous weapons project as prestigious as this, neither is there one that matches its record of repeated and expensive failures.

Every project has to fructify within a given timeframe, otherwise it will just begin to drift and lose focus
Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy

DRDO needs greater accountability. We have not been able to get the maximum out of DRDO, even though self-reliance should be our core
Gen V P Malik

6,000 cr wasted, 10-yr delay & they want 150,000 cr more
 
See, am i right, you guys were pissed when we keep critisize about

Indians poverty, toilets crisis, global index etc.

But you were enjoying critisize about Chinese communist,

democracy, copying etc. over and over again.

Typical Indians style double standard logic :smitten::pakistan::china:


pissed noo...not really...because you guyz keep talking about indian toilets in almost every thread to change the thread into " nationalist pissing contest " and hence to derail and respectful debate.

:cheers:
 
Thank you for admiring us... We are incredible and will continue to be incredible.. Thanks for your support..


in⋅cred⋅i⋅ble  /ɪnˈkrɛdəbəl/
–adjective 1. so extraordinary as to seem impossible: incredible speed.
2. not credible; hard to believe; unbelievable: The plot of the book is incredible.

;)


On a serious note, the Indians have smart scientists and a decent enough infrastructure, so it would be wrong to underestimate them. Sure they have had failures, but that's part of the game.

At the same time, Indian media has an extremely puerile style of 'reporting' which makes it tempting to burst the bubble of hype.
 
Ohh maddy, Did he mentioned about the 'time frame' its gotta to be 20-25 years

My dear it all takes money and time to do a thing for the first time so chill.... And development is taking place and will take place rapidly in coming time....Regards
 
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I do not understand when people starts critizing india for any technological initiative it is embarking, i belive these criticisim comes from a notion by them that "all indians don't get to read about their faliures", i would like to inform them that, we are a transperent democracy where people know about their success and faliures.. unlike china.. where every bit of information is screened and doctored to suit the government.. i think nobody knows about real china and where they stand..!!! all we hear is those hunky dory stories of success.. well it may be 100% true but there is still a question of doubt in the way they are using the information censoring...!!! However the world knows.. india along with its success and faliures..!!! So please respect indian technological initiative..and question it based on technology.. and not with your hate which no body wants and care about..!!!
 
hey have you people ever thought about joining DRDO, man they need you DESPERATELY

More quit DRDO than join, applications fall by 70% in three years

Tucked away in a representation made to the Sixth Central Pay Commission by the Defence Research and Development Organisation are startling new figures that confirm how DRDO is not only unable to retain talent — it’s also not being able to attract it.


Records obtained by The Indian Express show that last year, the latest for which data is available, the number of scientists who resigned from the organization touched an all-time high of 321. Most of them were young scientists from the electronics and computer disciplines. While several factors have been cited, a majority of the scientists who have resigned attribute it to better career opportunities elsewhere and lack of professional challenge.

In fact, 2006 is the first year that the number of resignations at DRDO has surpassed the number of inductions, 300. In other words, induction is not keeping pace with attrition resulting in a significant shortfall of trained scientists.

This isn’t surprising given the steady fall in the number of applications to what is considered the government’s premier defence research institution — in 2003, while total applicants numbered 110,224, in 2006, that figure came down to less than a third of that: 31,810.


The DRDO’s representation to the Pay Commission underlines the need to build an efficient and talented pool of scientists dedicated for a minimum of 15 to 20 years considering the long gestation period for developing defence-warfare systems. Advocating more “freedom, flexibility and opportunities for self-development” to scientists, the proposal calls for rewards of recognition.

Towards this, the DRDO has proposed an entry-level scale of Rs 48,000-120,000 per month — almost six times the current level of Rs 8000-13000, going upto Rs 500,000 (fixed) per month at the highest level, advisor to the Defence Minister.

Besides this, other demands include sabbatical, intellectual capital pay, loyalty bonus and 40% share of royalty/fees earned due to commercialization of inventions and rewards.


More quit DRDO than join, applications fall by 70% in three years
 
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