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Fox news spreading fake news ?

Can anyone prove its belong to a German V II ?

Thanks in advance:smitten::pakistan::china:
 
Dear lord can't u people identify at least a V2. Shame..
 
That clip belongs to test fire of WWII era German V2.

U guys've neen long enough around here to differentiate that.

Post your Source please , i might be mistaken by 2008 FOX news :D

The video says that when called all of those people were are "Test site" are still testing V2's?
 
Its not a waste of money to develop something that works. Its a waste of money to develop something that flopped. The money should go some where else if its just producing a technology demonstrator.

Well I fell down a hundreds time atleast while trying to stand up, another hundred times, trying to run. Do you suggest I should not have tried them and just should have been happy crawling?

Failures are a part of any development. And as Jack Ganssel (A very famous embedded systems designer and one of my idol) said, If something did not fail means its not tested <Period>

I hope I made my point
 
Fox news spreading fake news ?

Can anyone prove its belong to a German V II ?

Thanks in advance:smitten::pakistan::china:

Get ur reading glasses,watch the video at 1.45m to 1.48m for the same clip that that appears in the Fox news video about indian missile test.


 
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Anti-satellite weapon

Anti-satellite weapons (ASAT) are space weapons designed to incapacitate or destroy satellites for strategic military purposes. Currently, only the United States, the former USSR (now Russia) and the People's Republic of China are known to have developed these weapons. On September 13, 1985, the United States destroyed US satellite P78-1 using an ASM-135 ASAT anti-satellite missile and malfunctioning US spy satellite USA-193 using a RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 on February 21, 2008. On January 11, 2007, China destroyed a Chinese old orbiting weather satellite.

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Its not a waste of money to develop something that works. Its a waste of money to develop something that flopped. The money should go some where else if its just producing a technology demonstrator.
Develop something that works....... I sure take your point but how do you fathom to find out whether the thing will work or not without trying to develop it. Always were taught, failure is the first step to success.

Of course a crystal clear understanding of the cost benefit and the achievables versus the desirables of the project needs to exist.

The statement coming from a responsible Indian scientist on the sidelines of a science conference (which would mean that their forum has discussed the matter) for sure would have identified the net gains of the project.

Pursuing and evolving a space weapons nd defence capability is a natural next step for a country which has space assets at stake (the numbers are on this forum too to corroborate that). For sure there are a couple of steps in between to be achieved but then if there are commonalities from existing projects and already developed capabilties on the way, foresight would say to initiate research on going down that road. Of course, it is just a statement for the moment...... exhibiting a perception of a clear need and desire of developing the capability.
 
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At 5:28 p.m. EST January 11, 2007, the People's Republic of China successfully destroyed a defunct Chinese weather satellite, FY-1C. The destruction was reportedly carried out by an SC-19 ASAT missile with a kinetic kill warhead [7] similar in concept to the American Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle. FY-1C was a weather satellite orbiting Earth in polar orbit at an altitude of about 537 miles (865 km), with a mass of about 750 kg (1,650 lb). Launched in 1999, it was the fourth satellite in the Feng Yun series. The missile was launched from a mobile Transporter-Erector-Launcher (TEL) vehicle at Xichang (28.247&#176;N 102.025&#176;E) and the warhead destroyed the satellite in a head-on collision at an extremely high relative velocity.

This test raised concerns in some other countries, partly because China did not publicly confirm whether or not the test had occurred until January 23, 2007 but mainly because of fears that it could prompt or accelerate an "arms race" in space. The EU stated that "...a test of an anti-satellite weapon is inconsistent with international efforts to avert an arms race in outer space and undermines security in outer space." [8]. These concerns were also reflected in public statements from the governments of the United States, Canada, Australia and Japan. According to CNN, global security analysts stated at the time that the test was most likely aimed at the United States. [9]
 
where r we heading to ? arms race in space ? :eek:
when China successfully demonstrated this technology when they blasted an old satellite, the whole world got the message esp the USA,
Even if Pak doesn't build this capability, these weapons will be, am sure airlifted from China during any major conflict with India, just like India got weapons from Israel during & after Kargil war.
Soon some killer satellites (with high power lasers/ kinetic energy devices) will be stationed in space to neutralize these sat killer missiles, These killer satellites can be stationed near spy satellites to protect them from missiles fired from Earth.....

Yes, we indeed are in space age :D, the whole world I mean. You know there is a way in GPS protocol that, it can be blocked partially for non friendly nations in any conflict? All the modern weapons are GPS driven and guess what all weapons will be rendered useless if US decides to block the GPS signal.

So definitely its a Space war very soon :devil:

P.S.: The very same reason why EU is going for Galileo system instead of GPS
 
Abject failure in indigenous arms production forced Delhi to buy weapons without Transfer of Technology



If Bharat&#8217;s Ligh Combat Aircraft (LCA) Fighter had come up to speed 20 years ago, Bharat would not have had to spend $10 Billion in 2009 to buy 126 new aircraft.

Quote:The DRDO had difficulty marrying high concepts with sound engineering. Thus many major systems on the drawing board did not become potent weapons. Although it had a staff of 30,000, 51 laboratories and a US$2.5-billion budget, the organization operated under technical and critical-component constraints for the last 50 years. It has spent more than US$50 billion and produced very little.

The army has had many problems with the INSAS rifle developed by the organization, and nobody wants the main battle tank it developed. Its many tactical missiles have never met their defined parameters, and the Kaveri engine for light combat aircraft has been under development for three decades. WORLD VIEW NEWS SERVICE. Israel&#8217;s Military Supplies to India By Hari Sud Special to Salem-News.com

The Tejas has a reputation of having the longest design time in the history of aircraft production. Even after two decades it has neither been flight tested nor has the Indian Airforce inducted it into its squadrons.

The same story has been repeated in missile design and production as well as Tank design and production. No one want to purchase the Arjun. India has wasted $9 Billion on Israeli arms and billions more on the Flying Coffins.

A sucker is born every day.

Israelis want to make money just like the Russians did. They are not selling obsolete and stripped versions of their arms to Delhi. It is pedagogical to analyze the report by Hari Sud which discusses the Indo-Israeli relationship.

Quote:Alliances between nations are getting harder to track, and they have certainly changed since the end of the Cold War.

(TORNOTO, Canada) - India&#8217;s main supplier of advanced military hardware is Israel. In the 1990s India took a major decision to procure arms from Israel after its much-touted Defense Research and Development Organization failed to develop any high-end weapons systems.

To keep abreast of its neighbors, from 1965 till 1997 India purchased weapons from the Soviet Union, and later Russia - the preferred choice for the last 40 years as its weapons were cheap, reliable, rugged and direct copies of advanced weapons in the West. Almost 70 percent of India&#8217;s weapons are of Russian origin.

The fall of the Soviet Union halted its secret development and sales of weapons, thereby letting the West develop countermeasures.

Short of cash, the new Russian Federation from 1990 to 2001 sold its trade secrets to anybody who wished to buy them. In short, India lost its advantage with Russian hardware, as China bought everything that India already had. Also, countermeasures developed by the West for Russian hardware became available to Pakistan. In short, India was at a disadvantage on both fronts.

A lot of technology that India wanted from the West was unavailable because the West viewed India and the Soviet Union as allies, due to the Cold War attitude prevalent in Washington. Israel stepped in to fill the breach, as it had enough influence to change U.S. policy on this issue. It was a win-win situation for Israel and India.

India negotiated its first large-scale contract with Israel in 1997 for the Barak-1 weapons system. This was meant to knock down Pakistan&#8217;s Harpoon anti-ship missiles, supplied by the United States. Since its initial supply of six Barak systems, eight more have been added and negotiations on a multi-billion-dollar Barak-2 system is in progress.

Prior to the contract, India&#8217;s defense scientist and former President Abdul Kalam paid a number of visits to Israel to get help in missile development. Later India tested its Prithvi and Agni missile systems to counter Chinese and Pakistani moves.

During the Kargil War in 1999, India received from Israel unmanned aerial vehicles, laser-guided bombs and other hardware to knock out Pakistani hilltop bunkers. Israel&#8217;s support helped India appreciate its sophisticated electronics and weapons systems.

Russia&#8217;s former President Vladimir Putin, noting India&#8217;s declining interest in Russian weaponry, made offers to sell it more sophisticated weapons like T-90 tanks, advanced destroyers, an aircraft carrier and upgrades to existing air force hardware. India accepted the offers, but Israel had already secured a foothold in India&#8217;s lucrative military hardware market.

End-user agreements between the United States and Israel limited the transfer to India of any U.S.-developed or assisted military hardware - but Israeli political interests in Washington made short work of all U.S. objections.

Showing great interest in the Indian market, Israel in 2002 transferred the highly sophisticated Green Pine Radar to India, despite U.S. objections. Today this radar is a key component of India&#8217;s ballistic missile defense tracking system.

The United States, realizing that Israel will find ways to sell India its military technology, have now folded up their objections. It took them more than 50 years to throw out their Cold War-era attitude; now they are bidding for a US$10-billion Indian fighter contract. WORLD VIEW NEWS SERVICE. Israel&#8217;s Military Supplies to India By Hari Special to Salem-News.com

Quote:In the last 10 years India&#8217;s military imports from Israel have included:

&#8226; Barak -1 anti-ship missile system

&#8226; Unmanned aerial vehicles of various types

&#8226; Laser-guided bombs

&#8226; Technology for ballistic missile systems

&#8226; Green Pine radar

&#8226; AWACS

&#8226; Spyder surface-to-air missile system

&#8226; Aerostat radars

&#8226; Service contract to upgrade MIG fighter aircraft

&#8226; Electronic countermeasures and air-battle support electronics

The total contract value of these and other purchases is close to US$9 billion. This is a huge amount given that India and Israel established diplomatic and trade relations only in 1992. The two countries&#8217; intelligence agencies have had contacts for much longer, however.

Military contracts under negotiation between India and Israel include the development of Barak -2, worth US$2.5 billion; additional AWACS at $1.8 billion; UAVs worth $500 million; the Arrow anti-missile system at $4 billion; and miscellaneous electronics worth $2 billion. WORLD VIEW NEWS SERVICE. Israel&#8217;s Military Supplies to India By Hari Special to Salem-News.com


The UEA just bought 4.3 Billion Dollars worth of planes without the fanfare of Delhi&#8217;s hoopla. It will purchase more planes too.

The dispicable and guady show in Delhi was a virtual bazaar of the East India Companies of Europe and the USA that want to take advantage of the crooked politicians who are busy diverting the hard earned money of the Bharatis to arms which have not given Delhi any prestige anywhere.

Quote:Why did India turn to foreign weapons suppliers? Fifty years ago former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, in establishing the Defense Research and Development Organization, envisioned 80 percent self-sufficiency in arms by the turn of the century. That dream never came true.

The DRDO had difficulty marrying high concepts with sound engineering. Thus many major systems on the drawing board did not become potent weapons. Although it had a staff of 30,000, 51 laboratories and a US$2.5-billion budget, the organization operated under technical and critical-component constraints for the last 50 years. It has spent more than US$50 billion and produced very little.

The army has had many problems with the INSAS rifle developed by the organization, and nobody wants the main battle tank it developed. Its many tactical missiles have never met their defined parameters, and the Kaveri engine for light combat aircraft has been under development for three decades.

The only successes it can claim are the Prithvi, Agni and Brahmos missiles, some light combat aircraft and the multi-barrel Pinaka artillery system. However, it had to import the highly accurate Russian Smerch system to supplement the underpowered Pinaka.

The DRDO&#8217;s worst failure has been its inability to reverse engineer some of its imported weapons systems. Even Pakistan with its low technology has successfully reverse engineered military hardware.

China reverse engineered the highly sophisticated Russian SU-27 fighter jet.

Russia has now fallen behind as a military supplier to India, although it continues to provide some systems. The renegotiation of already negotiated deals between the two countries has complicated the partnership.

For example, a deal on the Russian aircraft carrier Gorshkov is being renegotiated. The Russians have also refused to transfer technology to manufacture the T-90 tank gun, although it was part of the contract. The supply of a nuclear submarine has fallen behind by several years. Added to this, the quality of Russian hardware and technology is suspect.

The Russians have reopened several of their supply contracts and are exploiting their spare parts supply position to extract more money. All of this is not sitting well with the Indians, who may over the next two decades dump them as important suppliers.

Thus in the past 10 years Israel, and now the United States, are coming on board to supply India with military hardware. There are distinct differences in the manufacturing philosophies of Russia and the United States. While Russian hardware is rugged, U.S. hardware is like a finely tuned sports car; although buyers like its performance it is three times more expensive to maintain than the Russian. Most underdeveloped countries still prefer Russian hardware.

In the end, it is good that Israel stepped in to fill the technology gap India was forced into. Now the Indian military has a distinct advantage over its adversaries.

Hari Sud is a retired vice president of C-I-L Inc., a former investment strategies analyst and international relations manager. A graduate of Punjab University and the University of Missouri, he has lived in Canada for the past 34 years. WORLD VIEW NEWS SERVICE. Israel&#8217;s Military Supplies to India By Hari Sud Special to Salem-News.com
 
Now you guys must have a fair Idea of your Production capabilities and capacity ! Stop making "Meaningless" claims .
 
India's Missiles Fly Up the Learning Curve


A truism in many sports holds that offence gets headlines, but defence wins championships. Although it is only roughly analogous to sport, war and military technology exhibits the same skew in media coverage, as the evolution of India's strategic missile capability shows. Judging by recent test results, the second half of the equation may hold as well.

The defence doesn't rest: programmatic outperformance

Sandwiched between successful 2009 trials of the BrahMos cruise missile on 5 March and the Prithvi II nuclear-capable SRBM in mid-April, the 7 March test of an indigenous ABM missile was equally successful in terms of test objectives (although it received a fraction of the coverage, judging from Google hit statistics). Taken in programmatic context, however, the ABM test is much more impressive in three ways: success rate, development speed and technical challenge.

Success rate

So far India has gone three for three in ABM interceptor flight trials, each of which had a different test profile. In the first trial, a two-stage interceptor missile later named the Pradyumna incapacitated the target, an incoming Prithvi-II missile, at the upper edge of the stratosphere, 48km up. A year later, a single-stage missile developed under the advanced air defence (AAD) programme defeated another Prithvi-II 15km up (the altitude of many transcontinental plane flights). In the most recent test, another Pradyumna sporting improvements such as a gimballed directional warhead achieved an explosive kill of its target at an altitude of 75km, well into the mesosphere.
"India's ABM test is impressive in three ways: success rate, development speed and technical challenge."

In contrast, the Prithvi SRBM itself failed three of its first six trials, and the newer Agni-III MRBM failed its first test. Failure rates of 50&#37; in the first few tests of new weapons are neither unusual nor portents of ultimate futility, but this makes the Indian BMD track record even more impressive.

Development speed

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) publicly revealed its BMD programme right after the first test in November 2006, less than three years ago.

At that time, Indian programme managers conceded that BMD research had been underway 'for years', but given that DRDO had tried diligently to make the Trishul SAM work in ABM mode for years, as well, the Pradyumna programme couldn't have been DRDO's primary initiative. In any event, ABM weapon testing could be completed by 2010 given current rates of progress, according to VK Saraswat, head of missile development at DRDO.

In contrast, DRDO has pursued offensive ballistic missile development since 1983, when it initiated the integrated guided missile development programme (IGMDP). Even now, according to one Indian commentator, the Agni-I is the only fully operational nuclear-capable ballistic missile in India's arsenal. Most of this protracted development cycle has consisted of post-testing production and field integration delays, which should quell undue optimism about the young BMD programme, but even so, both ABM interceptors are ahead of all previous IGMDP timetables.

Technical challenge

Judging technical difficulty of a mission by the number of nations that can execute it, BMD is the most challenging military task, as only the US and Russia have independently fielded fully indigenous BMD systems (the Israeli Arrow is a US-Israel joint venture). The anti-satellite task is actually second (US, Russia, and China), and long-range ballistic missiles currently run third, although this club seems to be in the process of doubling.

If any nation can benefit from BMD, it's India

Indeed, ballistic missile proliferation in Asia makes India's BMD programme even more significant in the long term than its offensive nuclear ballistic missile programmes.
"So far India has gone three for three in anti-ballistic missile interceptor flight trials, each of which had a different test profile."

First and foremost, the November 2008 Mumbai attack and the current spread of Taliban influence in Pakistan have raised the spectre of Pakistani missiles and/or nuclear warheads falling into the hands of terrorists, against whom traditional deterrence is at best uncertain.

Beyond the Pakistani threat, whether national or subnational, India's offensive ballistic missile programme lags behind that of its main regional rival, China. Although DRDO has improved its success rate for offensive tests recently, China has just as much momentum and occupies a more advanced position, especially in terms of long-range ICBMs either operational or in the pipeline.

BMD is therefore India's most likely countervailing asset in the foreseeable future. China's high-altitude SAMs can engage some ballistic missiles, but only to a 30km ceiling, and evidently China has no R&D effort comparable to India's BMD programme at this time. In this respect, China's ASAT capability doesn't really count, as ballistic missiles are to satellites as fighter aircraft are to armoured personnel carriers. Last but not least, India is significantly better than China at software development and programming, which are critical to BMD system effectiveness.

Finally, India itself lags in deploying submarine-launched ballistic missiles, the most survivable leg of the nuclear triad. Should India's naval missile programme follow the same timetable as India's other strategic naval and missile programmes, a BMD capability could add significant survivability to India's nuclear deterrent.

Can failure breed success?

To be fair, India's offensive ballistic missiles don't deserve direct managerial comparison to the BMD programme. As noted previously, the BMD programme hasn't yet reached the point where Indian R&D usually derails; as Saraswat himself cautioned, deployment rates are 'not in [DRDO's] hands'.
"Failure rates of 50% in the first few tests of new weapons are neither unusual nor portents of ultimate futility."

More important, early failures pave the way to ultimate success: as Thomas Edison said in response to derision at the thousandth failure of the prototype light bulb: 'now we know a thousand ways that it won't work'. Current BMD development benefits from the advances and setbacks of IGMDP, which included the Akash and Prithul SAM projects as well as the Agni and Prithvi. In fact, the Pradyumna ABM was originally called the Prithvi air defence (PAD) missile because it used the generic Prithvi missile design. Conversely, the DRDO strenuously attempted to give the Prithul ABM capability before ultimately admitting failure.

However, other factors may underpin programmatic BMD outperformance. In no particular order:
The one way in which interceptor missiles are less complex than offensive ballistic missiles is that modern versions of the former don't carry nuclear warheads.
The BMD was not developed under the auspices of IGMPD, suggesting that the latter may have been (or would become) too bureaucratic.
The BMD programme not only post-dated the IGMPD, but also probably started during, and quite possibly because of, the ramping up of Pakistan's missile capability. In this regard, the 1999 Kargil conflict occurred just a year after Pakistan detonated its first nuclear munition.

Is true danger the mother of efficiency?

There is in fact an exact historical precedent for the correlation of serious perceived threat and speedy weapons development: the first generation of US strategic nuclear missiles.

By 1952, nuclear warheads had become small enough to put on missiles, but the US missile programmes did not really kick into high gear until 1957, when the Sputnik launch, along with faster-than-expected Soviet development of its first ICBM (the SS-6), created fears of a Soviet-US 'missile gap'. Consequently, the USAF and USN made development of ICBM and SLBM systems their top priority, creating all-star teams of scientists and engineers with essentially unlimited resources.

The effect of concentrating talent, subordinating bureaucratic processes to a tight deadline, enabled by top-level political support and underpinned by strong psychological fear, produced results. A 1958 US catch-up plan called for full operational deployment of nine Atlas squadrons and four Titan squadrons by March 1963. By October 1961, the Strategic Air Command subsequently activated 13 Atlas and six Titan squadrons &#8211; 18 months early. The Polaris SLBM project was similarly successful: the first successful test launch was in 1960, just four years from project initiation, and IOC occurred in 1961.
"India's ballistic missile programme lags behind that of its main regional rival &#8211; China."

In contrast, the second generation of US strategic nuclear weapons systems came in behind schedule, over budget, and arguably under promised capability &#8211; at a time when nuclear weapons had become much more survivable and effective in their deterrent role.

If past is prologue, then India's long record of military procurement frustration might be ending &#8211; at least in the strategic nuclear weapons space. Indeed, the DRDO is on a roll with its recent tests of offensive missiles; even the January 2009 BrahMos test failure was rectified within weeks.

In the end, the best military procurement principle may have come from essayist Samuel Johnson: 'nothing so wonderfully concentrates the mind as the prospect of hanging in the morning'.
 
Dear lord can't u people identify at least a V2. Shame..

Buddy, actually i repeatly watching the two clips for a few times,

they look similiar but not exactly the same, not even the background.

All those old style missiles looks alike especially in a low defination

black&white clip, so no conclusion could be draw yet.:smitten:
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