India readies troops as Pakistan rattles arms across the border

[JohnyD]

BJP asks govt to recall Indian envoy from Pak to register strong protest

gr8..so that means opposition party is with govmt if war breaks out!!

 

[kam83]

LOl here is the story till now....

1) Pakistan Lodges protest with UN ..Saying India is Aggressor
2) India Summons Envoy To launch protest
3) Pakistan stops bus service closes LOC trade gates
4) India GoI calls for Desclation while media goes 4 War
5) Now Pakistan Cry Our Soldier are on Af-PAk border And India is using this as Oppur to Attack Pakistan...It Again Try to Show India as Aggressor to World Community
6)Pakistan Calls 4 full strenght at LoC
7)India respond With Flag Meeting Call (u see we are peaceful Nation)
8)Pakistan Rejects Its....

Ab what is left to be done to Desclate ..Might as well go with Esclation Since u see its the pakistan who is Aggressor at every step

 

[JohnyD]

This is a good opportunity for both the countries to vent out their frustration at each other…lets not just make any effort to deescalate the situation.. too much of hostility, too much of killing of innocent civilians … as said in Hindi, “ya to Pakistan rahega nahi to India” ...We cant be so unlucky to have Pakistan as our neighbour forever!!

 

[JohnyD]

Pakistan army, not jihadis, behind brutal attack on 2 Indian soldiers

Intelligence inputs say the Pakistan Army has been under tremendous pressure from jihadis who accuse it of abandoning the Kashmir cause.

Meanwhile, without asking China has called for a peace...

-Google news

 

[KRAIT]

BJP asks govt to recall Indian envoy from Pak to register strong protest
gr8..so that means opposition party is with govmt if war breaks out!!

Always buddy. In case of war, all are on same side.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Theres going to be no war but as i said before, i think that in the next 100 years, on january 14 it will be best time for india to try to take back kashmir. Offcourse, i would hope that Kashmir stays with Pakistan but one type of Kargil is due for India!

 

[Roybot]

Theres going to be no war but as i said before, i think that in the next 100 years, on january 14 it will be best time for india to try to take back kashmir. Offcourse, i would hope that Kashmir stays with Pakistan but one type of Kargil is due for India!

Why January 14th?

 

[JohnyD]

Angry Indians want war: But are we prepared?


New Delhi: Provocation after provocation. Can India sit back and watch Pakistan's open aggression on LoC?

The wounds of the brutal beheading of Indian soldiers by 'Hafiz Saeed-led Pakistani Army' are fresh. Outraged Indians want the government to go for an all-out war against Pakistan.

But, if the war happens, how long will the two nations be able to sustain it?

According to Pakistan's claims, it has an edge over India and could launch a nuclear strike within eight seconds.

Its threat came after then UK PM Tony Blair visited Pakistan post the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

However, according to former Pakistani Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar, Pakistan cannot afford to match India's modern weaponry that has a greater capacity to sustain a war.

With India inducting a lot of armaments, its capacity to sustain a war is 45 days against 20 days of Pakistan, he underlined.

Indian Naval chief admiral (retd) Manvendra Singh said: "The war cannot begin overnight. First, India should outline what is its endgame, is it to attack entire Pakistan (which I don't think is right and can happen too) or to finish the entire network of terror."

"India is still not ready for war. Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. Also, the ceasefire violations on LoC should be dealt at localised military level. Reports of Mumbai terrorist attack accused Hafiz Saeed inciting Pakistani soldiers is yet another tactic by Pakistan to shift the blame. Even if Saeed did it, it was Pakistani Army which lost its sanctity by allowing him to cross the border."

According to Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, president of the Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement, "The war is not for the Army to decide. In a democracy like ours, the decision is political. I, personally, feel it's high time we should act tough. Pakistan is yet to own up the recent killings of three Indian soldiers and is openly challenging India. Even after such an open aggression if we won't retaliate, it will send a message that we can only bark and not bite."

"The government will never want to retaliate as it's the dream of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to see peace with Pakistan in his regime. But at the cost of our soldiers? Akshardham, Parliament and then 26/11, to name a few... Will the government never wake up?

"War is the last resort and Army, too, doesn't want it. It's role is to protect the country from war. But the government can at least send some kind to stern message. If not bullet for bullet, India can at least halt peace process, put curbs on sports, recently-liberalised visa regime and raise diplomatic pressure. Hissing won't work anymore. We will have to answer back in the same coin."

Asked if the war happens and Indian troops face the problem akin to the 1999 Kargil war when Pakistani soldiers attacked India from highest altitudes, he said: "It is just one of the incidents. In a war, the attacker has the right to choose his position. I don't think there will be any difficulty."

On the possibilities of the war intensifying into a nuclear battle, he said: "It will never happen. Since Pakistan and India each had weapons of mass destruction in 1999 as well, many in the international community were concerned that if the Kargil conflict intensified, it could lead to nuclear war. Both the countries had tested their nuclear capability in 1998 (India conducted its first test in 1974 while it was Pakistan's first-ever nuclear test). When Pakistan didn't use it then, it will not use this time too as it knows the decision will be suicidal."

"Also, one should understand nuclear weapons are not kept readied. They are not there in the structured form and take time to be developed... They are stored in the form of critical mass."

Critical mass is the smallest amount of fissile material needed for a sustained nuclear chain reaction. It is not kept radio active.

Asked if China which has of late been a bigger threat than Pakistan, will support the 'troubled' neighbour, he quipped: "China is a matured neighbour. It will never support Pakistan just to settle scores with India."

Maj Gen (retd) S Thapliyal said: "I think it is the right time for war as Pakistan is engaged in Afghanistan. But except 1965, we have not shown any aggression... I don't think there is any likelihood of war as the government is yet to show open hostility. Pakistan continues to be defiant and we are too sweet-tounged."

"If as a last resort, India attacks Pakistan, the option is to go for a limited area bombing (concentrated bombing) in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir. India can, at any given time, bomb the terrorist training camps in *** and send a strong message across the border."

He also underlined that "if the war happens, we will not be able to use nuke weapons. Indian doctrine restricts first use of mordernised weapons against enemy soldiers. The war, I think, should always be the last resort."

However, according to Ashok K Mehta, a former Major General of the Indian Army, said "national security's last comprehensive appraisal was done in 2001 after the Kargil review panel report. Our security came under direct scrutiny post the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks. Or security apparatus has still not reached that level of adequacy."

Why to talk of the past, only on January 7, the Army’s operational preparedness got a major blow after its ambitious ‘Cold Start’ doctrine to quickly counter Pakistan in the first few days of the war has been hit following the budget cut of more than Rs10,000 crore.

The Army has little hopes in the next fiscal too. It is not in a position to raise an operational corps to sustain unhindered logistical supply of ammunition to the advancing forces in Pakistan.

It prepared the doctrine after mobilisation of troops Operation Parakaram post the 2001 Parliament attack took more than 10 days.

Besides, Army’s plan to fight a two-front war with Pakistan and China has taken a toll due to resource crunch. The government, according to sources, is not willing to raise two mountain strike corps for China front.

India is not ready for war till it mobilises its forces to attack the enemy.

Angry Indians want war: But are we prepared? - daily.bhaskar.com

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Why January 14th?

Because everyone in Pakistan, their attention would be towards Tahir Qadri march and if things go bad there then Army would have no choice but to get involved in Islamabad to defuse the situation there.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Angry Indians want war: But are we prepared?


New Delhi: Provocation after provocation. Can India sit back and watch Pakistan's open aggression on LoC?

The wounds of the brutal beheading of Indian soldiers by 'Hafiz Saeed-led Pakistani Army' are fresh. Outraged Indians want the government to go for an all-out war against Pakistan.

But, if the war happens, how long will the two nations be able to sustain it?

According to Pakistan's claims, it has an edge over India and could launch a nuclear strike within eight seconds.

Its threat came after then UK PM Tony Blair visited Pakistan post the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

However, according to former Pakistani Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar, Pakistan cannot afford to match India's modern weaponry that has a greater capacity to sustain a war.

With India inducting a lot of armaments, its capacity to sustain a war is 45 days against 20 days of Pakistan, he underlined.

Indian Naval chief admiral (retd) Manvendra Singh said: "The war cannot begin overnight. First, India should outline what is its endgame, is it to attack entire Pakistan (which I don't think is right and can happen too) or to finish the entire network of terror."

"India is still not ready for war. Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. Also, the ceasefire violations on LoC should be dealt at localised military level. Reports of Mumbai terrorist attack accused Hafiz Saeed inciting Pakistani soldiers is yet another tactic by Pakistan to shift the blame. Even if Saeed did it, it was Pakistani Army which lost its sanctity by allowing him to cross the border."

According to Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, president of the Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement, "The war is not for the Army to decide. In a democracy like ours, the decision is political. I, personally, feel it's high time we should act tough. Pakistan is yet to own up the recent killings of three Indian soldiers and is openly challenging India. Even after such an open aggression if we won't retaliate, it will send a message that we can only bark and not bite."

"The government will never want to retaliate as it's the dream of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to see peace with Pakistan in his regime. But at the cost of our soldiers? Akshardham, Parliament and then 26/11, to name a few... Will the government never wake up?

"War is the last resort and Army, too, doesn't want it. It's role is to protect the country from war. But the government can at least send some kind to stern message. If not bullet for bullet, India can at least halt peace process, put curbs on sports, recently-liberalised visa regime and raise diplomatic pressure. Hissing won't work anymore. We will have to answer back in the same coin."

Asked if the war happens and Indian troops face the problem akin to the 1999 Kargil war when Pakistani soldiers attacked India from highest altitudes, he said: "It is just one of the incidents. In a war, the attacker has the right to choose his position. I don't think there will be any difficulty."

On the possibilities of the war intensifying into a nuclear battle, he said: "It will never happen. Since Pakistan and India each had weapons of mass destruction in 1999 as well, many in the international community were concerned that if the Kargil conflict intensified, it could lead to nuclear war. Both the countries had tested their nuclear capability in 1998 (India conducted its first test in 1974 while it was Pakistan's first-ever nuclear test). When Pakistan didn't use it then, it will not use this time too as it knows the decision will be suicidal."

"Also, one should understand nuclear weapons are not kept readied. They are not there in the structured form and take time to be developed... They are stored in the form of critical mass."

Critical mass is the smallest amount of fissile material needed for a sustained nuclear chain reaction. It is not kept radio active.

Asked if China which has of late been a bigger threat than Pakistan, will support the 'troubled' neighbour, he quipped: "China is a matured neighbour. It will never support Pakistan just to settle scores with India."

Maj Gen (retd) S Thapliyal said: "I think it is the right time for war as Pakistan is engaged in Afghanistan. But except 1965, we have not shown any aggression... I don't think there is any likelihood of war as the government is yet to show open hostility. Pakistan continues to be defiant and we are too sweet-tounged."

"If as a last resort, India attacks Pakistan, the option is to go for a limited area bombing (concentrated bombing) in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir. India can, at any given time, bomb the terrorist training camps in *** and send a strong message across the border."

He also underlined that "if the war happens, we will not be able to use nuke weapons. Indian doctrine restricts first use of mordernised weapons against enemy soldiers. The war, I think, should always be the last resort."

However, according to Ashok K Mehta, a former Major General of the Indian Army, said "national security's last comprehensive appraisal was done in 2001 after the Kargil review panel report. Our security came under direct scrutiny post the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks. Or security apparatus has still not reached that level of adequacy."

Why to talk of the past, only on January 7, the Army’s operational preparedness got a major blow after its ambitious ‘Cold Start’ doctrine to quickly counter Pakistan in the first few days of the war has been hit following the budget cut of more than Rs10,000 crore.

The Army has little hopes in the next fiscal too. It is not in a position to raise an operational corps to sustain unhindered logistical supply of ammunition to the advancing forces in Pakistan.

It prepared the doctrine after mobilisation of troops Operation Parakaram post the 2001 Parliament attack took more than 10 days.

Besides, Army’s plan to fight a two-front war with Pakistan and China has taken a toll due to resource crunch. The government, according to sources, is not willing to raise two mountain strike corps for China front.

India is not ready for war till it mobilises its forces to attack the enemy.

Angry Indians want war: But are we prepared? - daily.bhaskar.com

Sirji jab tak Congress ke janke baithe hain forget it

 

[JohnyD]

Theres going to be no war but as i said before, i think that in the next 100 years, on january 14 it will be best time for india to try to take back kashmir. Offcourse, i would hope that Kashmir stays with Pakistan but one type of Kargil is due for India!

you are safe if go by d flags in ur avatar...

 

[pakistanitarzan]

you are safe if go by d flags in ur avatar...

how about now?

 

[Tuchha]

Theres going to be no war but as i said before, i think that in the next 100 years, on january 14 it will be best time for india to try to take back kashmir. Offcourse, i would hope that Kashmir stays with Pakistan but one type of Kargil is due for India!

Damn right mate..but I think one more 1971 is due for Pakistan...i.e. Baluchistan (No provocation indeed)

 

[Roybot]

Because everyone in Pakistan, their attention would be towards Tahir Qadri march and if things go bad there then Army would have no choice but to get involved in Islamabad to defuse the situation there.

Tahir Qadri is a Pakistani military stooge(at least thats the word going around in Indian diplomatic circle), doubt he d do anything to jeopardize Pakistanis armies position against India.

 

[JohnyD]

Sirji jab tak Congress ke janke baithe hain forget it

dude its not abt political party its all abt the leadership...dont forget Indira Gandhi and Shastri..they too were the leaders of Congress...so basically we need more and more assertive and decision taking leadership at center...PM is to sober and soft spoken! well hope to see Mr Modi as next PM if the War does not take place under Mr Singh!