India no match for China on social indicators: Amartya Sen

[Fasih Khan]

I am 100% honest here: I have never seen slums, Indian style, in large cities. Not even in places like Gansu. What I mean is, there are never rivers of garbage that flow in cities, places with no electricity permanently, and people with flies on their face waiting to die. Social indicators like average lifespan, calorie intake and electrification rate support this.

I've seen dirty places in rural villages, but those are only in the worst of the worst villages, and even there, we have toilets.

There we go. Can any Indian ever be honest like this. But when you have no shame and you build your lives on lies, you can do anything ...

 

[Zabaniyah]

Then why the hell BDs pole vault over our fences to reach India..they should rather go to China.

No such thing.

Since Bangladesh is surrounded by India on all three sides, would you be kind enough to hand us over the Silighuri corridor?

That way, we can link with China. And your frustrations addressed

 

[harpoon]

No such thing.

Since Bangladesh is surrounded by India on all three sides, would you be kind enough to hand us over the Silighuri corridor?

That way, we can link with China. And your frustrations addressed

In your dreams buddy... My advice get a bigger pole vault

 

[skyknight]

The slums in Indian and in China are not comparable. They are different things.
Slums in China are often called “棚户区“ ，mostly old houses. Chinese government are pouring huge money into the reconstruction
projects of city slums area.
I can share you the typical slums photos in China, many many are still existing in Chinese cities but also many many have been rebuilt.

 

[skyknight]

the slums under reconstruction

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And the comparison of before and after， an example in FuXin，LiaoNing Province.

By the way，the residents will get their new house for free or almost-free according to the size of his old house.

Finally, a video about the city slum area reconstruction in my hometown.
[video]http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XMTc5MzQ3MTk2/v.swf[/video]

 

[nalandapride]

Hi
You are putting points well.

Simply considering 2nd largest economy has biggest slum in world is really shameful considering that China is a world superpower its even more shameful.
India is a third world developing country and still working hard.

Meanwhile what is Hukou system?

Hukou System is China own way of Apartheid which ensure that a rural person will remain rural for generations and could not have all facilities that an Urban person having.

Like suppose I am from village of Champaran district of Bihar or Gonda district of UP and working in Bangalore. Because of Hukou system I could not send my Children in any school of Bangalore, I am forced to send my Children back to the my native village and left un-cared by parents. There are many more discrimination faced by a rural person living in the cities of China. Even with this China have world largest slum-dwellers.

Hukou system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Hukou System is China own way of Apartheid which ensure that a rural person will remain rural for generations and could not have all facilities that an Urban person having.

That pretty much contradicts China's rapid urbanisation, no?

 

[nalandapride]

The slums in Indian and in China are not comparable. They are different things.
Slums in China are often called “棚户区“ ，mostly old houses. Chinese government are pouring huge money into the reconstruction
projects of city slums area.
I can share you the typical slums photos in China, many many are still existing in Chinese cities but also many many have been rebuilt.

Those things are also going in India. In India major builders make deal with local slum dwellers. The Slum-dwellers sell their land to builders. These builders built muti-Storey building for all slum-dwellers in the part of the land and in the rest land build skyscrapers for their own commercial use. India was also successful in uplifting millions of people out of Slums to better houses.

 

[nalandapride]

That pretty much contradicts China's rapid urbanisation, no?

Yes, China is having that but what I said is 100% true. Send your children to school back in your native village, what is this, treating your rural population as second class citizens.

 

[Holmes]

Hukou System is China own way of Apartheid which ensure that a rural person will remain rural for generations and could not have all facilities that an Urban person having.

Like suppose I am from village of Champaran district of Bihar or Gonda district of UP and working in Bangalore. Because of Hukou system I could not send my Children in any school of Bangalore, I am forced to send my Children back to the my native village and left un-cared by parents. There are many more discrimination faced by a rural person living in the cities of China. Even with this China have world largest slum-dwellers.

Hukou system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Discrimination btw rural & urban people seems like a bad caste system previously existed here.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Yes, China is having that but what I said is 100% true. Send your children to school back in your native village, what is this, treating your rural population as second class citizens.

There are many ways to see this, my very first documentary film for the German-French cultural channel arte was about Chinese migrant workers. The situation is more complex than what you describe as apartheid, as apartheid is based on biology (race, ethnic). In China there is no such distinction. If you give a farmer the same fashionable clothing as a city sleeker, you will see no difference between the two.

Any Chinese from a small village has the chance to get urban residency based on merits, either educational or economical. Otherwise, where do you think the new urban population are coming from?

In an apartheid, you always remain an outsider based on biology. No matter how well you do financially or academically, you will always be not one of them.

I have been to almost all provinces in China, from the big 1st tier cities to the homes of migrant workers in the village, enduring -10 Celsius with no hot water to shower for ten days. I have yet to see a slum that remotely looks like the one I have seen in India.

The hukou system, unfair as it is, is one of the reson why China doesn't have the slums we witness in India. An orderly urbanisation where the infrastructure keeps up with the flow of new arrivials is IMO a better development for the whole society than the disorder inflow of rural people.

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The Discrimination btw rural & urban people seems like a bad caste system previously existed here.

This comparison is just laughable.

 

[nalandapride]

The hukou system, unfair as it is, is one of the reson why China doesn't have the slums we witness in India. An orderly urbanisation where the infrastructure keeps up with the flow of new arrivials is IMO a better development for the whole society than the disorder inflow of rural people.

Whatever is the intention of Hukou system, its other thing. Kindly look at the Data from Economist Magazine based on UN-Habitat, even without Hukou System India and China had almost same percentage of Urban Slum Dwellers. And India was able to uplift more people out of Slums to better Housings since 1991 Economic reforms. You don't need such discriminatory laws to do such thing. Also, cities like Bangalore went Massive expansion in last 20yrs but still Slums are rarely seen in Bangalore.

And rural person working hard to enrich the economy of Megacities like Shanghai or Shenzen could not send his Children to school in the cities because the Child is born to a rural person. This is indeed Apartheid and Segregation. A person can't study in certain school because he/she is a rural person. Also, in Indian law says that every Indian has all rights to work in anyplace in the country and have right to enjoy all facilities, so indeed Hokou Sounds peculiar and discriminatory to us.

 

[newdelhinsa]

I am 100% honest here: .

A grown up person with average IQ never says ^^this, but a dumb compulsive lairs does. You are here on an international forum talking bad about another nation. Your own personal rant doesn't stand waters but is an invitation for defenders to rip you apart.

Have a look at these.

http://www.instablogsimages.com/ima...tze-river-alarms-chinese-authorities_7777.jpg

water pollution: woman collects bottles near a polluted river in Dongxiang, China --*Kids Encyclopedia | Children's Homework Help | Kids Online Dictionary | Britannica


and there are thousands more.
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The problem here is not with India but Indians who do not show 'straight face lairs' a mirror. Bad mouthing on Indian slums is not easy for Chinese.

If one has to give benefit of doubt to a Chinese poster then it can be justified because of constrains these soles have imposed upon by CCP et al to the access on own nation's inconvenient realities. Or may be its brainwashing or agenda to deliberately censor it out.

An average Chinese have developed guts to talk about India because of free information pouring out of our borders. Its not only a typical case of information used against us by low life propagandists but intent of Indians not to counter it by going to the same level as they go.

 

[Nakki Nair]

If one has to give benefit of doubt to a Chinese poster then it can be justified because of constrains these soles have imposed upon by CCP et al to the access on own nation's inconvenient realities. Or may be its brainwashing or agenda to deliberately censor it out.

An average Chinese have developed guts to talk about India because of free information pouring out of our borders. Its not only a typical case of information used against us by low life propagandists but intent of Indians not to counter it by going to the same level as they go.

Spot on mate!

 

[newdelhinsa]

By the way，the residents will get their new house for free or almost-free according to the size of his old house.

Finally, a video about the city slum area reconstruction in my hometown.
[video]http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XMTc5MzQ3MTk2/v.swf[/video]

India has lifted people out of slums faster than any country. There are many petty issues why slums still do exist in Places like Mumbai and one is because of dishonesty of many who sell their own new free house to others and choose to live in slums for easy access to mega cities they work nearby. There are poverty issues as well but average income of a person living in Mumbai slums is better than people living in other states in good urban conditions.