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Actually, we are only willing to settle that way if india shows us good will and we feel we can trust them. If we can't trust them, then not only do we need to take back all of Southern Tibet, we also need to make Assam and Manipur independent!

Thats a lot of big ( and needless) talk from a nation which has not yet been able to get back a " renegade province".

In any case is there any need for such chest thumping ?
 
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Thats a lot of big ( and needless) talk from a nation which has not yet been able to get back a " renegade province".

In any case is there any need for such chest thumping ?

With the three articles I posted on this thread it appears that the Indians are doing the chest thumping.

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Actually, we are only willing to settle that way if india shows us good will and we feel we can trust them. If we can't trust them, then not only do we need to take back all of Southern Tibet, we also need to make Assam and Manipur independent!

I think you can expand on that and include Tripura and Mizoram also.
 
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With the three articles I posted on this thread it appears that the Indians are doing the chest thumping.

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I think you can expand on that and include Tripura and Mizoram also.

And Bangladesh also.
 
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With the three articles I posted on this thread it appears that the Indians are doing the chest thumping.
Yes, I read your articles.

It is obvious that india is getting ready to attack China and try to assert itself as China's 'equal' even though everyone else can see that's going to fail miserably and they'll be beaten like Poland versus Nazis!


To be sure, one of the main irritants in India-China relations, and closely tied to China’s territorial claim on Arunachal Pradesh, is the presence of the Dalai Lama and the “Tibetan government-in-exile” in India. The Tawang monastery in Arunachal Pradesh was the birthplace of the sixth Dalai Lama in the 17th century and is the second largest Tibetan monastery after the one in Lhasa. It could well be that the 14th Dalai Lama may choose his successor from the Tawang monastery. If this were to happen, the international questioning of China’s legitimacy over Tibet will continue. Consequently, China perhaps believes that its aggressive posture on Arunachal Pradesh will deter India from overplaying its Tibet card, which includes 120,000 Tibetan refugees living in India.

If the Dalai Lama factor is indeed propelling China’s recent posture on Arunachal Pradesh, it has all the makings of becoming a self fulfilling prophesy. It is well known that India provided asylum to the Dalai Lama in 1959 for purely moral reasons and has consistently expressed its recognition of Tibet as part of China. Yet, it appears that China suspects that there is some diabolical Indian plan to use the Dalai Lama to undermine China. As a result, it has turned aggressive on Arunachal Pradesh. This in turn has led some Indian strategic analysts to argue that India should develop the Dalai Lama card to counter China. Thus, the situation has the potential to come full circle.
China ups the ante in Arunachal Pradesh | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

China has no choice now but to attack terrorist camps in Dharmsala and also attack New Delhi with air strikes to punish them for terrorism.


Proposed Indian Riposte

India’s foremost priority must be exorcising the ghost of 1962 and recover confidence and morale. Indian troops actually have a very successful track record against the Chinese.

1 May 1841: The Dogras under Zorawar Singh routed the Chinese.

2 August 1842: The Dogras under Dewan Hari Chand and Wazir Ratnu again beat the Chinese in the Battle of Chusul after which Ladakh officially became a part of India.

3 1839-1842: The First Opium War. The East India Company expeditionary forces comprising 7,069 navy personnel, 5,000 British troops and 7,000 Indian troops took on Chinese forces of 200,000 and inflicted 18,000-20,000 casualties for 69 killed 451 wounded. This gave the Punjab Regiment its crest showing a ship and the motto “sthal wa jal”, emphasizing their fighting prowess as maritime expeditionary forces.

4 1856-1860: The Second Opium War. Again a similar number of Indian soldiers participated with similar results.

5 1900: The Boxer Rebellion where Indian troops were the major part of the British contingent and defeated the siege laid by the Imperial Chinese forces.

6 1967: the Nathu La and Cho La episodes when the Chinese were given a bloody nose.

7 1986/87: Sumdorong Chu, when the Indian Army successfully stared the Chinese down.

1962 was thus an aberration. The reasons for it are manifold. They have been well documented and bear no repetition here. What is noteworthy, however, is that just three years after that debacle, in 1965, the Indian armed forces gave a good account of themselves and six years later, in 1971, they enjoyed their finest hour. India should deal with China with confidence and not adopt a posture of appeasement. With a more confident posture, an Indian riposte along the following contours could be implemented:

1. State and restate India’s desire and intention to be a ‘status quo’ nation with no aggressive designs on any neighbour.

2. Continue border negotiations with the Chinese on the basis of the 2005 framework agreement.

3. Deny the Chinese asymmetric advantages in force application. The overall size of the Army is secondary, what matters is how much force can be brought to bear at the point of attack and subsequently what logistics train exists in men and material to consolidate the gains. The fact that the Chinese withdrew from Tawang/NEFA was due to un-sustainability of the logistics train. The border has been peaceful for the last 50 years because a surprise asymmetrical force level build-up cannot be achieved by China. In two instances, 1967 and 1987, when the border livened up in the east, India rapidly moved sufficient forces and occupied advantageous positions, thus denying the Chinese an asymmetric force advantage and forcing the Chinese to blink. For a serious war in the mountains, the attacker needs to apply force in a 9 to 1 ratio. China will therefore need to position at least 30 combat divisions against India. The build-up for this and the logistical train would require at least two months of preparation as demonstrated by the PLA in an exercise in 2011. Such a build-up cannot escape attention and the element of surprise would be lost, thus giving India enough time to organize its defences. Ultimately, if India can ensure even a stalemate, it wins!

4. Strengthen surveillance capability, remote sensing, SIGINT and HUMINT so as to spot any unusual troop/material movement and/or change in the order of battle. Denial of surprise to the Chinese is crucial.

5. Deny the Chinese the advantage of their superior infrastructure. The Chinese infrastructure can be used for replenishment of supplies and quick rotation of troops to exploit breakthroughs. India’s raising of two additional regiments of BrahMos and positioning them in the northeast will neutralize this Chinese advantage. BrahMos employed in the steep diving mode and with a 290 km range can degrade the Chinese infrastructure advantage in the opening hours of the conflict.

6. Expedite the deployment of ‘Nirbhay’— the 700 km range, terrain following, cruise missile under development — must be given high priority and brought under deployment as soon as possible. This range can bring Chinese infrastructure even deep within Tibet including the Qinghai-Tibet Railway into attack range. Such an enlargement of the attack bubble will nullify a large part of the infrastructural advantage that the Chinese have built up.

7. Match the Chinese capability of logistics through airlift capability till India’s own ground infrastructure is developed. The quick switching of troops from one sector to another on the Chinese side can be neutralized by India’s Advanced Landing Grounds (ALGs) using AN 32s and C 130s for bulk transport. Sufficient helicopter assets should be inducted to achieve quick transport of troops to frustrate PLA breakthroughs as also to neutralize soft targets and fortifications.

8. Strengthen the armoured and mechanized capability in Aksai Chin and the tri-junction area of Sikkim. Both these theatres could have an independent armoured brigade with mechanized infantry and integral anti-air assets.

9. Enlarge the scope of Indian asymmetry by doubling the strength of SF. These troops gave a good account of themselves in 1971, a war that was moreover not theirs. Against the Chinese, they will come into their own and would be a tremendous force multiplier.

10. Create additional options vis a vis Tibet without overtly questioning the ‘One China’ policy. Reduce and eventually cease the ‘apologetic’ posture adopted on the Dalai Lama. This will enlarge the manoeuvring envelope in negotiations.

11. The Malacca Straits along with other choke points like Lumbok and Sunda should be brought under enhanced surveillance and force application capability. The further development of air and sea infrastructure in the Andaman and Nicobar islands is critical as these are closest to this theatre. Basing of extensive air, sea and under-sea assets there will give India an advantageous position. The Chinese cannot ignore this and will have to take this into their calculations while planning any adventurous move.

12. Gain, retain and strengthen diplomatic engagement with the island nations of the Indian Ocean. Lately, India has shown its deftness at ‘cheque-book diplomacy’ with Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka with excellent results. The island nations would require far lesser sums. A separate MEA desk dealing only with these island nations will bring sharper focus to policy and its implementation.
http://www.idsa.in/system/files/PB_ChineseAggressiveness.pdf

I'm completely speechless. This is what passes as 'think tank' in india. A big inferiority complex. OMG india beat China in the Opium War and Boxer Rebellion. Obviously, the indian government has spent much time mast*rbating over revenge for their 1962 defeat.

China can give it to them! Our military modernization is ready. And give them a nuclear ending to the tragic story and curse that is republic of india.


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Chinease need to calm down.

India is a rising power a $billions on weapons SHOULD NOT MAKE YOU GUYS nervous.

ITS NATURAL TO HAVE some military muscle wen you are a BIG industrial power.
 
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mmm...

Well I think a diplomatic solution to the Sino-Indo dispute is more feasible. Sometimes, compromise help both sides.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, it is extremely unlikely that China would militarily interfere in case of a future Indo-Pak war over the issue (which is by itself unlikely).

Although, at times I feel India is a bit high on jingoism! :sick:
 
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Also take all Bangladeshi people staying here.

Well when Assam, Manipur, Tripura and Mizoram become independent then these few thousand third generation Bangladeshis will no longer be India. They will be in new free independent countries so no worries.
 
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Well when Assam, Manipur, Tripura and Mizoram become independent then these few thousand third generation Bangladeshis will no longer be India. They will be in new free independent countries so no worries.

Before they become independent, Bangladesh will be back in sea.. and you will be swimming with the fishes..
 
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India will sink also. India is not immune from global warming and sea rise.

BD's average height above sea level is negative... and tell me a place in India which is lets say 50 km from sea shore and has a negative average height above sea level ?

maybe some places will sink but ur country will disappear from the face of the earth...
 
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BD's average height above sea level is negative... and tell me a place in India which is lets say 50 km from sea shore and has a negative average height above sea level ?

maybe some places will sink but ur country will disappear from the face of the earth...

No actually if that was the case then Bangladesh would have been affected by the 2004 Tsunami. Bangladesh was not affected at all but India and Sri Lanka was. The coast of Bangladesh is already shallow. It will take a significant increase in sea level to sink Bangladesh. In the meantime India will go under water.
 
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Exactly! The only way China will get Tawang back is by attacking across the LAC, crushing the indian army base in Tawang and then occupying it. Now that talks have failed (yesterday), the only thing left is the war. Hoping for a re-match this 2012.

If you can give me the exact date and time ..i will free up my calender to watch the match..will they be streaming it live? ..btw will also buy you a trophy and will keep at red fort for you kids to collect in case you win the match.
 
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