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India Makes it Official: The 'Mother of All Defense Deals' Is Dead

Indians ade another mistake by purchasing 36 from Dasau they should go for the same amount either for F-18 or Euro Fighter to presure the French but they gave them what they really wanted.
 
What?! I didn't know yet. Was I right or what!!!



LMAO Man, I feel so vindicated after this. The MMRCA circus and fanfare continues...

Awww, all those Frenchies had all their hopes pinned on this. My opinion is that Pakistan shouldn't buy any French avionic stuff for their JF-17.

We are still gonna get those planes.They will just come out of a different stable,that's all.Oh wait,that's not all actually,there is more to it - now we are gonna get them much earlier at a much reduced price tag!!How do you like it now sucker??
 
Indians ade another mistake by purchasing 36 from Dasau they should go for the same amount either for F-18 or Euro Fighter to presure the French but they gave them what they really wanted.
RAfale was the best Plane that come out of Evaluation.
 
We are still gonna get those planes.They will just come out of a different stable,that's all.Oh wait,that's not all actually,there is more to it - now we are gonna get them much earlier at a much reduced price tag!!How do you like it now sucker??

LMAO we'll see you lil curry rapist. You have been saying this crap for the past few years now. You say a lot. We know how it turns out in reality. For now, burn! LMAO

Only one behaving like b*tthurts here is that troll...Before mocking LCA,take a look at the aerospace design capability of your own nation...

LMAO hey you Indians are the ones boasting about this deal all the time. Now don't act surprised and all when people confront you with the truth.
 
LMAO hey you Indians are the ones boasting about this deal all the time. Now don't act surprised and all when people confront you with the truth.
truth is we getting Rafales in Span of 2 years and PAF Which Already Down in fighter to fighter Ratio against IAF Will have Face one more State of art Fighter in Future. how thats coming:coffee::coffee:
 
truth is we getting Rafales in Span of 2 years and PAF Which Already Down in fighter to fighter Ratio against IAF Will have Face one more State of art Fighter in Future. how thats coming:coffee::coffee:

We'll see man. I have heard it all before... PAF will have matured Chinese fighters by then. Let's not even talk about the future. You and I don't even know about our tomorrow...
 
Indians ade another mistake by purchasing 36 from Dasau they should go for the same amount either for F-18 or Euro Fighter to presure the French but they gave them what they really wanted.

French rolled out red carpet for modi, remember?
India were thinking ohh mama they respect modi ji so much
while french were having a great time, whiskey and wine
 
By Ankit Panda
April 14, 2015

With Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s big announcement in Paris that New Delhi would purchase 36 Dassault Rafale multi-role fighters off-the-shelf (prêt-à-porter, if you will) in a government-to-government deal, the future of the $20 billion tender for India’s medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) that was being negotiated between France’s Dassault Aviation and the Indian government fell into limbo. That ambiguity was resolved on Monday, three days after Modi’s announcement, when Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar clarified that the $20 billion tender would not move forward. Just like that, the “mother of all defense deals,” as India’s MMRCA project was known, was dead.

Though Parrikar avoided shutting the door on the project entirely, he emphasized that the Indian government would not move forward with those negotiations for the moment, suggesting that if New Delhi does purchase additional Rafales, it will do so in another government-to-government deal. His ministry’s official spokesperson, Sitanshu Kar, tweeted that the “[government-to-government] route [is] better than the [request for proposal] path for acquisition of strategic platforms.” Parrikar additionally said that the government’s decision to go with a direct purchase of 36 Rafale fighters was necessary, likening the deal to a breath of “oxygen” for India’s constrained air force.

Parrikar’s announcement is being read with a degree of trepidation in India’s strategic community. The government’s pragmatic decision to fulfill the Indian Air Force’s short-term need for a multi-role fighter is commendable, but, concurrently, the decision to scrap Dassault’s tender for the broader MMRCA contract is a set back for the Modi government’s bid to indigenize India’s defense production. With the deal announced in Paris, France yields nothing in the way of technology transfer.

As recently as February 2015, reports suggested that a final deal would see India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) build 108 of the envisaged 126 total Rafale jets (with the remaining 18 coming form France). In late 2014, Parrikar met his French counterpart and the two pledged to put negotiations on a “fast track.” France ultimately refused to budge, given Dassault’s concerns about HAL’s ability to construct the Rafale fighters up to spec and liability issues. In the meantime, the IAF needed to see some light at the end of the tunnel and pressure continued to build on the government to deliver some deal. All of this culminated in the recently announced government-to-government agreement in Paris.

Ajai Shukla, a defense commentator for India’s Business Standard wrote after Parrikar’s announcement, that with India’s decision to purchase 36 Rafales in ready-to-fly condition, “the French were rewarded for their obstinacy with exactly what they wanted – an order for fully built aircraft without the need to transfer technology.” For France, the Rafale had turned into somewhat of a marketing nightmare, with prospective buyers bowing out over concerns about the high cost-per-unit and maintenance costs of the Rafale. Thus, concluding a deal with India will be a major breath of relief for the French. Better yet, with no intellectual property transfer, Dassault can expect to cash future Indian checks for the maintenance and upgrades for the Rafale fighters.

If negotiations had persisted, New Delhi would have been able to tout a major win when it came to its ability to indigenously manufacture advanced defense technology, despite the design being of foreign origin. Even if, hypothetically, New Delhi managed to construct a fraction of the 108 Rafale fighters on Indian soil, the deal would have been a major step forward for India’s domestic defense industry. Instead, the procurement process for the Rafale fighters has come to resemble India’s tried-and-tested approach of purchasing ready-built equipment from foreign suppliers.

Finally, Parrikar’s announcement likely means that India’s total Rafale fleet will likely never come close to reaching 126 fighters. Without domestic production, India will be hard pressed to justify future procurement beyond an additional squadron or two. To preemptively stave off critics, Parrikar noted that “all options are being kept open,” including on the issue of building Rafales in India, but with the precedent set in Paris last week, getting to that point will be more of an uphill struggle than ever.

India Makes it Official: The ‘Mother of All Defense Deals’ Is Dead | The Diplomat
.Future Rafale jet purchases will government-to-government: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar !
New Delhi: Making it clear that one car cannot travel on two roads at the same time, India today said all future deals for Rafale fighters would also be through government to government route, indicating that the USD 20 billion MMRCA tender has virtually been scrapped.

The development came after Prime Minister Narendra Modi decided to buy 36 Rafale fighter aircraft in fly-away condition from the French government directly, sidestepping a gruelling three-year negotiations for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft(MMRCA) tender, for which Rafale was shortlisted.

Noting that MMRCA negotions had entered into a "loop" or a "vortex" with no solution in sight, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said direct negotiations with France will now decide how much more Rafale has to be bought and if it will be under 'Make in India' programme.

The minister refrained from giving a direct reply to questions whether requirement of Air Force for more MMRCA will be through Rafale or if any other player can come into action.

"Scope was only possible in Government to Government deal. Instead of going through the Request for Proposal (RFP) route where there was lot of confusion and chaos, it was decided that we will go through the G2G route," he said explaining that 36 Rafale jets would be procured in ready to fly conditions.

He said what has to be done to the rest would de decided after discussions between the two governments.

Asked what it means to the eight-year-old tender process for MMRCA, for which Rafale was shortlisted, Parrikar said it has not been decided yet.

"But if this (G2G) route is followed, obviously, one car cannot travel on two different roads. There were lot of problems on that (tender) road. That is why we have adopted the procedure of direct government to government," he said briefing reporters at South Block.

Replying to another query if future deals on Rafale would also be through G2G route, Parrikar said, "All deal(s) will be in G2G only. The 36 are in fly-away condition which means they will be manufactured by company in France and supplied in fly away conditions".

Under the MMRCA contract, while 18 aircraft were to be bought off the shelf, 108 were to be manufactured by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a license from Dassault Aviation, the manufacturers of Rafale.

Though Rafale was shortlisted in 2012 after a five-year tending process, a final contract could not be signed due to differences over two issues - pricing and Dassault's reluctance to stand guarantee for planes manufactured by HAL.

Future Rafale jet purchases will be government-to-government: Parrikar | In
 
LMAO we'll see you lil curry rapist.
Yeah,in time!!That day won't be too far,don't worry bout it sucker.

You have been saying this crap for the past few years now. You say a lot. We know how it turns out in reality. For now, burn! LMAO

Suits us just fine.And talk isn't all that cheap,given you can use that at the right spot on right time,we stopped your pathetic air force from getting those French avionics for starter and as a result,your primary air defence fighters remain just a vanilla bird.Very nice situation to be in, I have to say.

And why would I burn??This couldn't have been any better,thank Dawkins that finally we can see some sense in the GoI!!Now we will get the planes at a much faster rate at a much cheaper price.If anyone's *** should be on fire,it would be you and not us.But how can you understand all these serious strategical stuffs,you need a fucking brain into your skull for that,which unfortunately in your case,is missing.I feel sorry for your parents,really!!

LMAO hey you Indians are the ones boasting about this deal all the time. Now don't act surprised and all when people confront you with the truth.

What LMAO??!!We will see how you will LMAO when we get the planes.Till then,ADIOS.
 
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I think Pakistani Posters who are Celebrating Should realized that Rafale's are Coming Even in More Shorter Span Perhaps they should Worry about how PAF will counter it in future :azn::azn:
with Regards Cerberus
 
The problem arises from the fact that you (indians) could have done the same thing some 7 8 years ago and by now you would have had decent experience in flying these jets/ maintaining these jets. It was your ToT stance which caused this delay and this should not have been the case.

Anyways all the best
 
he problem arises from the fact that you (indians) could have done the same thing some 7 8 years ago and by now you would have had decent experience in flying these jets/ maintaining these jets.
Thats why the current GOI realized it in jus span of 10 months in coming to power.Current DM is very good in taking Decision smoothly
 
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