India: Let Kashmir go

[nitesh]

Ezaz my point is simple. Leave it as it is and concentrate on economic development nothing else. This is the practical solution. No one is going to back off from the current position. The terrorism is not taking any one any where.

 

[ejaz007]

My point is exactly the opposite. If you want to get rid of the terrorism (you call it terrorism some might differ with the term) get to the root cause of the problem. By solving Kashmir issue there is no justification for the violence (terrorism as per you).

By getting rid of the root cause you will get rid of the menace.

 

[peaceplease]

Pakistan is not able to hold its 4 states together, how can she expect to get 5th state. Kashmir is India's integrated part and will be at all cost.

 

[ejaz007]

No dear its not your integral part. UN does not recognize it as your integral part, your neighbours don't.

 

[nitesh]

My point is exactly the opposite. If you want to get rid of the terrorism (you call it terrorism some might differ with the term) get to the root cause of the problem. By solving Kashmir issue there is no justification for the violence (terrorism as per you).

By getting rid of the root cause you will get rid of the menace.

Exactly my point. What ever has happened in past is gone. The way to look forward is let the LoC become Border and settle the issue once and for all. Dismantle the terrorist (or you might use a different term) infrastructure and concentrate on bigger issue.

 

[Omar1984]

Pakistan is not able to hold its 4 states together, how can she expect to get 5th state. Kashmir is India's integrated part and will be at all cost.

Kashmir is recognized by the ENTIRE world, except india, as a DISPUTED Territory NOT part of India.

As for our 4 provinces, they're still not as bad as your states.

Free Asaam!
Free Khalistan!
Free Naxilates and Tamils from Indian oppression.

Kashmir is not part of India, but it needs to also be freed from Indian OCCUPATION and OPPRESSION.

 

[ejaz007]

Go to the UN website and select India from the list of countries and you would see what is the status of Kashmir. Here is the link:

Country at a Glance - Overview

 

[peaceplease]

Kashmir is recognized by the ENTIRE world, except india, as a DISPUTED Territory NOT part of India.

As for our 4 provinces, they're still not as bad as your states.

Free Asaam!
Free Khalistan!
Free Naxilates and Tamils from Indian oppression.

Kashmir is not part of India, but it needs to also be freed from Indian OCCUPATION and OPPRESSION.

All exmple you have given here shows your lack of knowledge. Panjab and Tamilnadu are one of the most integrated and developing states of India. In Asam fight is agaist opperation of poor people by land lords, which is getting unpopular every day.

 

[peaceplease]

No dear its not your integral part. UN does not recognize it as your integral part, your neighbours don't.

This is story of Past. Today kashmiri people have totally rejected militancy and seperatist movement. That shows, majority of people in Kashmir actually fear with Pakistan and Pakistan's internal situation, they feel in case Kashmir gets with Pakistan or Independent then Mullah mided people will create another afghnistan in Kashmir. This is I am saying my personal experience 15 days ago in Kashmir. Sentiments in Kashmir is, what ever happens, lets not go with Pakistan.
When this kind of sentiments are prevailing in Kashmir then old UN resolution becomes useless. Another important thing. India directly and indirectly by holding most free and fair election in Kashmir, actually not once but many times given example that she is fully commited with Kashmiri's sentiments.
Problem is whole world understands the meanig and message of Public elections and our Pakistani friends do not understand.

 

[Zaheerkhan]

It will be very stupid to say that giving away Kashmir, terrorists will have to Business with India. Often these terrorists are looking for "excuses" rather than "reasons" for mounting terror attacks.Today, they want J&k and they have an excuse to fight, tomorrow, they will say we are fighting for Rajasthan, will we give away Rajasthan as well?? These Guys are just finding excuses to fight!!! Jammu and Kashmir is an in-separable part of India. The best solution to the problem is, Pakistan has a Kashmir, India has a Kashmir, both administer their parts of Kashmir, and make people to people movement between the two-Kashmirs easier.

 

[Geromix]

Let us assume that India decides to 'give up' Kashmir,it goes for a plebiscite.

And the people of Kashmir say they want to have their own country and not be with either Pakistan or India.(Both parts of Kashmir)

Would this result be acceptable for both India and Pakistan?

Would a small land locked country squeezed in by all sides by 3 very large countries-China,India and Pakistan ever be successful in running in its own affairs without interference of any kind?
Can it ever become something like the 'Neutral Switzerland of South Asia'?

Sure these are speculative questions but how can India be sure that once it gives up Kashmir Pakistan wont act to 'grab it'.There is a complete lack of trust in this regard.More like distrust.

And finally the question would be-
Would this be enough for all the 'hardliners' in Pakistan?Would this satisfy them?Would they demand territories like Hyderabad next?
Would they demand from India something in return for what they lost in 1971?

Would a solution to Kashmir problem be the solution for all problems?


Many questions like this often stop even the 'most liberal' minded Indians on thinking about 'giving' Kashmir away.
Once can just forget about what the majority of Indians think who are largely 'nationalistic' as they should be.
Even after Mumbai attacks majority of Indians still want India to 'hold' on to Kashmir.

A party like BJP and its supporters would rather die than accept this.

For any resolution trust needs to be built.

 

[civfanatic]

Who are the "Most Kashmiris" we are talking about?
and if the elections were rigged, why are Pro-Pakistan and Seperatist parties allowed in the election process in the first place. Election is not a cheap process you know?

No pro pakistan party or sepratist parties participated in election . In Kashmir valley the fight was between National confrernce (NC) and Peoples Democratic Party (PDP ) both have pro india agenda . So How can anyone say pro india parties won the election as only they participated in it .No free election can be held in prescence of one Million India troops . The elections were held in 7 phases in kashmir that is only one district at a time while other districts were kept under curfew . With no international media presecene,incarceration of all hurriyat leadership this election has same legitemacy as elections of saddam hussien in iraq . This must be joke of the century that in prescence of 1 million indian troops that is one Indian millatry man for every two adult male kashmiris india conducted a free election and on top of it India wants Us to believe that this is a refrendum in favour of India . Sick

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Havent they already??
Pro-India parties win majority in Kashmir elections - CNN.com

As Ejaz pointed out, the elections do not address the fundamental issue of self determination accepted by the UN, India, Pakistan and the Security Council in resolving the status of a disputed territory.

Nitesh,

Your Mullah comment was unnecessary. Kashmir is being claimed by Pakistan and India, not the Mullah's or RSS extremists, and as such, the comparison to Afghanistan is absurd and flawed.

 

[UnitedPak]

Why do Indians always insist on 'leaving matters as they are'. A million troops policing and killing Kashmiris as a hobby. Mass graves found every couple of years. Is this what its like to be an 'integrable part of India'?
Kashmiris have made it very clear they want Azadi. I dont know how you could have missed that. Let them have the plebiscite they were promised and stop making excuses aimed at prolonging this conflict forever.

Kashmir has been disputed from day one since independence. You should know better than to tell us to ignore all the Kashmiri suffering and ignore Kashmir. It sounds like a desperate bid to hold on to a piece of land for purposes of greed.

 

[TOPGUN]

Pakistan is not able to hold its 4 states together, how can she expect to get 5th state. Kashmir is India's integrated part and will be at all cost.

Wat u on? drinks or some serious other things kashmir is not India's integrated part so please take your self out of lala land mode and wake up