India joins elite missile tech club today

[PARIKRAMA]

Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s mission MTCR a reality, India becomes 35th member
By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | Jun 28, 2016, 01.40 AM IST


NEW DELHI: India on Monday formally joined the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), paving the way for the country to access technologies that will boost its missile, space and unmanned aerial vehicle programmes.


The accession to MTCR, after years of negotiations dating back to Atal Bihari Vajpayee's tenure as Prime Minister, will entitle India to "full participation" in the next plenary of the regime which will take place in Busan in South Korea in October. This comes as a boost to the Narendra Modi government which last week did not succeed in its efforts to propel India into the Nuclear Suppliers Group following stiff opposition from China.

With India's entry, MTCR now has 35 members. China has been unable to enter MTCR despite years of lobbying. India has been seeking admission to all four export control groups - NSG, MTCR, Australia and Wassenar groups.

Membership of MTCR will allow India access to state-of-the-art technology and allow further joint ventures with traditional partners such as Russia, France and USA, as well as other members of the exclusive club, people familiar with the matter said. It will also boost India's defence exports to friendly countries, it said.

The MTCR Point of Contact in Paris conveyed the decision regarding India's accession to the regime through the Embassy of France in Delhi as well as the Embassies of The Netherlands and Luxembourg. "As all formal procedures for membership have now been finalised, the chairman of the joint Netherlands-Luxembourg chairmanship of the Missile Technology Control Regime, Ambassador Piet de Klerk (NL), in close consultation with the French MTCR Point of Contact, is pleased to announce today that the Republic of India now formally is the 35th member of the Regime," said an official statement issued by the chair of the MTCR from The Hague, Netherlands.

The official declaration from the MTCR chair further said: "The MTCR welcomes India into the regime, convinced that its membership will strengthen the international ef for ts to prevent proliferation of delivery systems (ballistic missiles or unmanned aircraft) capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction." The declaration came within minutes of foreign secretary S Jaishankar attending a brief ceremony in Delhi which was attended by the ambassadors of Netherlands, Luxembourg and the ambassadordesignate of France to India.

"India's entry into the regime as its thirty-fifth member would be mutually beneficial in the furtherance of international non-proliferation objectives," the external affairs ministry said in a statement after the ceremony.

Expressing its appreciation to the other members of MTCR, the ministry said, "India would like to thank each of the 34 MTCR partners for their support for India's membership."

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-becomes-35th-member/articleshow/52947365.cms

 

[zebra7]

the word tech is the problem here. no they will not sell fellow mtcr members violating missiles. then it would just be a group where they all have the ability to make their own non mtcr compliant missiles. i stand by what i said. feel free to disagree

LOL first Russia is the MTCR nation, why it kept the JV Brahmos at 290 KM range. and why do you think, the ISRO was denied with the Cryogenic engine from Russia, and now after MTCR, India would be able to get the cryogenic engine tech.

Second if you stand on your words do comment on the Storm Shadow Missile sale to the Saudi Arabia, and I believe UK is also the MTCR signatory.

Which means someone needs to start asking questions about the Storm Shadow sale.

The story of how Saudi Arabia came to purchase the Storm Shadow is pieced together from a number of sources. I am indebted to the various individuals uncovered so many fragments of this story: The reporter with Flight International who scored a crucial interview with a Saudi officer on the Tornado Sustainment Program, the planespotter who photographed noticed a Saudi Tornado carrying a Storm Shadow cruise missile in the UK, the industry reporter who inferred from BAE’s statement to investors that MBDA had executed a large sale to Saudi Arabia in 2009. But most of all, I am indebted to an amazing series of articles published by Douglas Barrie, who detailed each step in the pages of Aviation Week and Space Technology. I highly recommend his articles: “Missile Maneuvers” (March 29, 2010), “Prime Directive: Downing Street will have to sign off on releasing the Storm Shadow missile to Riyadh” (May 7, 2007), “Kingdom Come: London aims to ensure that the U.S. doesn’t try to nix elements of Saudi weapons package” (October 16, 2006), “Desert Construction: Saudi Arabia plans to use Typhoon acquisition to boost indigenous industrial capability” (February 20, 2006), and “Desert Deal: Typhoon will bolster Saudi air defense capabilities as a replacement for the Tornado now in the role” (January 2, 2005).

 

[dadeechi]

Admittance to the MTCR would have been a major political victory for the Chinese during the 1990s and/or early 2000s, when its missile, space, and aerospace programs were taking their baby steps and when they needed foreign platforms off which they could boost their domestic R&D.

Much has changed since then, both with respects to their domestic weapons programs (which have been headed by both intra-competitive private and state-funded enterprises) and their attitude towards arms exports/imports. Substantial progress in the development of missile and space-based platforms, much of which was a direct precipitant of inter-corporate competition, has nullified most significant needs for foreign platforms. Ironically, the European and American embargo on arms exports to the Chinese diminishes any major advantage that a MTCR membership would bring.

What you say is only partially true.

1) If you take the stand that China has already developed missile technologies and does not need MTCR now, then why does China need NSG membership? Doesn't China already have nuclear technologies?

2) True US & EU may not share their tech even if China were to be a member of MTCR but being an MTCR member would allow China to partner and do business with Russia which it cannot do today

3) If given an opportunity China would surely join MTCR. With regards to MTCR preventing its missile tech being sold to non MTCR members, When China is openly violating the NSG rules by selling reactors to Pakistan, why won't it do the same with regards to MTCR & missile technologies?

India joins MTCR: 7 things the country stands to gain

India has officially joined the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) as a full member, three days after its failed NSG bid due to stiff opposition from China and other countries like South Africa, Norway, Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey.

As India becomes the 35th member of the MTCR, here are seven things that you should know:

Benefit to ISRO: During the cold war years, Russia denied cryogenic technology to India. However, in a welcome change ISRO will now have access to restricted high-end technologies for developing its cryogenic engines in order to enhance space exploration.

Sale of BrahMos: India will be able to sell the Indo-Russian supersonic cruise missile BrahMos to Vietnam and other countries in a development that would make India a significant arms exporter.

Procurement of Israel's Arrow II missile: In its bid to develop indigenous Ballistic Missile System, India wanted to procure Arrow II theatre missile defence interceptor from Israel but was denied due to the MTCR sanctions. The newly-forged membership will help India in the procurement of Arrow II, which will further help India defend itself against Pakistani or Chinese ballistic missiles.

Buying surveillance drones: India will be able to buy surveillance drones from other countries like the American Predator drones (e.g. the Avenger drone). The US might also consider exporting UAVs, Reaper and Global Hawk, which have been key to counter-terrorism efforts in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen.

Boost to Make in India: Indian technology that will be developed or made under the flagship of Make in India will see free movement out of the country, which in turn will contribute to the success of the programme.

Step closer to NSG: The accession to MTCR is one step closer to India's membership to the 48-member NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group). It also gives India a chance to engage with other global non-proliferation players.

One-upping China: Significantly, China, which opposed India's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group at the just-concluded Seoul plenary, is not a member of 34-nation MTCR.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...untry-stands-to-gain/articleshow/52934056.cms

 

[Blue Marlin]

LOL first Russia is the MTCR nation, why it kept the JV Brahmos at 290 KM range. and why do you think, the ISRO was denied with the Cryogenic engine from Russia, and now after MTCR, India would be able to get the cryogenic engine tech.

Second if you stand on your words do comment on the Storm Shadow Missile sale to the Saudi Arabia, and I believe UK is also the MTCR signatory.

Which means someone needs to start asking questions about the Storm Shadow sale.

The story of how Saudi Arabia came to purchase the Storm Shadow is pieced together from a number of sources. I am indebted to the various individuals uncovered so many fragments of this story: The reporter with Flight International who scored a crucial interview with a Saudi officer on the Tornado Sustainment Program, the planespotter who photographed noticed a Saudi Tornado carrying a Storm Shadow cruise missile in the UK, the industry reporter who inferred from BAE’s statement to investors that MBDA had executed a large sale to Saudi Arabia in 2009. But most of all, I am indebted to an amazing series of articles published by Douglas Barrie, who detailed each step in the pages of Aviation Week and Space Technology. I highly recommend his articles: “Missile Maneuvers” (March 29, 2010), “Prime Directive: Downing Street will have to sign off on releasing the Storm Shadow missile to Riyadh” (May 7, 2007), “Kingdom Come: London aims to ensure that the U.S. doesn’t try to nix elements of Saudi weapons package” (October 16, 2006), “Desert Construction: Saudi Arabia plans to use Typhoon acquisition to boost indigenous industrial capability” (February 20, 2006), and “Desert Deal: Typhoon will bolster Saudi air defense capabilities as a replacement for the Tornado now in the role” (January 2, 2005).

theres two types of the the storm shadow or as they and uae call it the black shaheen. there is a domestic and an export variant the domestic version is the full fat version and the export meets the mtcr.

lets see if the brahmos will be upgraded to its fuls range. the part i find weird is that you think you have some kind of specail pass that allows india to buy parts from other countries that would enable you to built a missile that would violate the mtcr. as for cryogenic tech the russians were preasured not to give the cryo tech by the usa. now before joining you could have go such tech.

 

[zebra7]

theres two types of the the storm shadow or as they and uae call it the black shaheen. there is a domestic and an export variant the domestic version is the full fat version and the export meets the mtcr.

lets see if the brahmos will be upgraded to its fuls range. the part i find weird is that you think you have some kind of specail pass that allows india to buy parts from other countries that would enable you to built a missile that would violate the mtcr. as for cryogenic tech the russians were preasured not to give the cryo tech by the usa. now before joining you could have go such tech.

That means the Brahmos would be exported with the range bellow 300 km.

BTW those countries seeking Brahmos are waiting for the Brahmos NG.

 

[Blue Marlin]

That means the Brahmos would be exported with the range bellow 300 km.

BTW those countries seeking Brahmos are waiting for the Brahmos NG.

yes just mtcr regs

 

[zebra7]

yes just mtcr regs

But for itself it can/will release the full range of 600 km.

 

[Blue Marlin]

But for itself it can/will release the full range of 600 km.

if you have the domestic capability.
again you think the usa or any mtcr member will sell you components that will allow india to have full range brahmos. i see the mtcr being more halpfull to the astra program then anything else

 

[ghauri05]

The problem is, as per NSG rules, China, which has been an NSG member since 2004, is prohibited from selling nuclear reactors to Pakistan, which is a non NSG member. Its about China not adhering to and breaking rules of NSG



Both China and UK are members of NSG while Pakistan is not.



India is able to buy as it has NSG waiver since 2008.



Bothering me? Take it easy my friend...

What's the problem in selling nuclear reactor to Pakistan....they are for peaceful purposes..or generation of electricity...and they come under IAEA ...they regularly visit and monitor these plants and keep a record of all the fissile material....so what's wrong here in selling a peaceful commodity to another country even if its not NSG member.

 

[Jlaw]

Hmmm.....i was wondering....to our Indian friends
NSG="Prestige"
Now MTCR="Elite"
What if "UNSC"=?
OH almost forgot, congratulation for joining the "ELITE" club

now India is an elite country after joining MTCR.

India Enters Elite Missile Tech Group, Which Has Not Yet Admitted China
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...roup-which-has-not-yet-admitted-china-1423876


Incredible india!!

 

[45'22']

now India is an elite country after joining MTCR.

India Enters Elite Missile Tech Group, Which Has Not Yet Admitted China
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...roup-which-has-not-yet-admitted-china-1423876


Incredible india!!

Not to get into that elite shit but China should say good bye to MTCR now

 

[kali]

Can India continue the balastic missile program and enhance the range of missile?
And also
What is drawback faced by India to join the group?

 

[Dungeness]

Congratulations to our Indian friends here for joint yet another "Elite Club", of which China is not a member. Chinese members on PDF seem to be pretty cool about it. No cursing, no bitching, no whining, no jumping up and down.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

now India is an elite country after joining MTCR.

India Enters Elite Missile Tech Group, Which Has Not Yet Admitted China
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...roup-which-has-not-yet-admitted-china-1423876


Incredible india!!

Better luck, next time China on MTCR membership

 

[Jlaw]

Better luck, next time China on MTCR membership

China is not a superpower like India so it's ok for China not getting into MTCR.