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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-its-russian-made-missiles-turned-duds-128852

March 3, 2020 Topic: Technology Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: RussiaIndiaMissilesPakistanR-77Israel

Can Israeli missiles be integrated on a Russian jet?

by Michael Peck
Key point: But India isn't done buying Russian-made weapons.


After losing one of its fighters to Pakistani jets armed with American-made missiles in 2019, India is not happy with its Russian-made missiles.



In fact, it wants to replace its Russian air-to-air missiles with Israeli weapons, according to Indian news site NDTV.

“In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27,” NDTV said.

During air battles along the Kashmir border on February 26 and 27 of last year, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 was shot down, apparently by a U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) fired by one of Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) American-built F-16 fighters. India claims to have downed a Pakistani fighter – which Pakistan denies – but India was still embarrassed by the capture of its MiG-21 pilot, who was shown on Pakistani television and later returned.

What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range. “Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometers [62 miles],” according to NDTV. “Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometers [50 miles] away.”

The early-model AIM-120A/B has a range of up to 75 kilometers (46 miles). But in 2010, Pakistan received a batch of the AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). The most advanced AIM-120D has an estimated range of up to 160 kilometers (100 miles).

“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot. “The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch.”

India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapons, such as the Heron drone and the Derby, a radar-guided, beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile with a range of 50 kilometers (31 miles). To counter AMRAAM-armed Pakistani F-16s, the IAF is looking at the improved I-Derby, which features a more radar seeker and – most importantly – a 100-kilometer (62 mile) range.

But that raises another problem: how to integrate an Israeli missile into a Russian airframe (and an ironic problem, given how much Russian-built planes have been destroyed by Israeli missiles). “Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired,” according to NDTV. “A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.”

Strangely, while disparaging Russian missiles and buying Israeli ones, the Indian Air Force is reportedly ordering yet more Russian weapons. Moscow is offering medium- and long-range versions of the underperforming R-77.


Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook. This article appeared last year.

Image: Reuters.
 
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Translation: What really pains the Indian Air Force is that not only their highly upgraded, vintage MiG-21Bis got spanked, but their much touted, much upgraded, advanced Su-30MKI got shot down, while the others had to quickly "Bingo"/abort.
 
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Feb 27th, 2019 was a massive failure for Indian Airforce and Politicians. It is surprising that no heads rolled.

It was a wake up call like that of 1962..Just like after the failure of 1962, India defeated the Chinese in the war of 1967 and secured Sikkim...I am hoping a similiar outcome will come from the failure of 2019 ..
 
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PAF must now adapt and develop new strategies to counter the new threats that have arisen from the 27th Feb encounter.
India will have to replace it pilots with Israelis jusg to compete. There are rumours that one of the cuaghg pilots was an israeli and that's why the news of the 2nd captured crew died
 
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It was a wake up call like that of 1962..Just like after the failure of 1962, India defeated the Chinese in the war of 1967 and secured Sikkim...I am hoping a similiar outcome will come from the failure of 2019 ..
Lame duck excuses. Are you seriously telling us IAF underestimated PAF's retaliation for India's botched raid the day before? Your air force should be ashamed. They're not worth their salt.

"Sukhoi Su-30MKI has electronic counter-measure systems. The RWR system is of Indian design, developed by India's DRDO, called Tarang, (Wave in English). It has direction finding capability and is known to have a programmable threat library."

It failed. AMRAAM defeated DRDO's RWR.
 
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It was a wake up call like that of 1962..Just like after the failure of 1962, India defeated the Chinese in the war of 1967 and secured Sikkim...I am hoping a similiar outcome will come from the failure of 2019 ..

Even a rookie would know that PAF F-16 armed with AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles) cannot be matched or overpowered by SU-30MKIs armed with R-77s, with a range of 80 kilometers (50 miles).

So the question must be asked why the IAF planners even ventured into this adventure and thereby losing the battle. Worse no accountability was being fixed in IAF as Modi does not want to accept that India lost the battle as doing so would be detrimental to his political fortunes.
 
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Lame duck excuses. Are you seriously telling us IAF underestimated PAF's retaliation for India's botched raid the day before? Your air force should be ashamed. They're not worth their salt.

"Sukhoi Su-30MKI has electronic counter-measure systems. The RWR system is of Indian design, developed by India's DRDO, called Tarang, (Wave in English). It has direction finding capability and is known to have a programmable threat library."

It failed. AMRAAM defeated DRDO's RWR.
Even a rookie would know that PAF F-16 armed with AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles) cannot be matched or overpowered by SU-30MKIs armed with R-77s, with a range of 80 kilometers (50 miles).

So the question must be asked why the IAF planners even ventured into this adventure and thereby losing the battle. Worse no accountability was being fixed in IAF as Modi does not want to accept that India lost the battle as doing so would be detrimental to his political fortunes.


In 1962 India made rookie mistakes thousand fold worse than in 2019...But still won the battle in 1967 after rapid course correction...same will happen this time...
 
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Even a rookie would know that PAF F-16 armed with AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles) cannot be matched or overpowered by SU-30MKIs armed with R-77s, with a range of 80 kilometers (50 miles).

So the question must be asked why the IAF planners even ventured into this adventure and thereby losing the battle. Worse no accountability was being fixed in IAF as Modi does not want to accept that India lost the battle as doing so would be detrimental to his political fortunes.

Yes, agreed!

However, I believed that it was good for IAF..

Now, at least they have realised that they more higher range bvr missile's, more secure communication network, and AWACS aircraft's...

It was surely a wake call and good for IAF..
 
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Even a rookie would know that PAF F-16 armed with AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles) cannot be matched or overpowered by SU-30MKIs armed with R-77s, with a range of 80 kilometers (50 miles).

So the question must be asked why the IAF planners even ventured into this adventure and thereby losing the battle. Worse no accountability was being fixed in IAF as Modi does not want to accept that India lost the battle as doing so would be detrimental to his political fortunes.
Agreed in aerial one to one the missiles might be outranged(not confirmed) , but the strategic objective was effectively achieved by bombing the balakot terrorist camp. The terror attack incidents have become negligible. The fear of another indian strike is now at the back of the mind of terrorist backers. You can say the fear of god has been put in the mind of terror planners.
And the writer contradicts himself by first claiming the Indians are unhappy with the Russian missiles and then wondering why India has bought more from Russia ? He has to make up his mind.
 
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Agreed in aerial one to one the missiles might be outranged(not confirmed) , but the strategic objective was effectively achieved by bombing the balakot terrorist camp. The terror attack incidents have become negligible. The fear of another indian strike is now at the back of the mind of terrorist backers. You can say the fear of god has been put in the mind of terror planners.
And the writer contradicts himself by first claiming the Indians are unhappy with the Russian missiles and then wondering why India has bought more from Russia ? He has to make up his mind.

Even for a moment we park the item of how many fighters India had lost vs Pakistan had lost, on what basis are you claiming that the objectives have been achieved?

If you say you wanted to send a message then the message had not been heard or ignored as we came the next day to bomb you in return and your fighters ran away from the fight.
 
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In 1962 India made rookie mistakes thousand fold worse than in 2019...But still won the battle in 1967 after rapid course correction...same will happen this time...
IAF cannot take on PAF. IAF had every chance to make a comeback the same day, the following day or the following week. But nope, IAF got a wake up call with PAF's fast and ferocious response. IAF will not try anything until they got new toys.
 
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india better ask ask israelis for pilots when i seen abhinandan face first time i washed my hands from IAF :rolleyes:

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