India Is Turning To Israel After Its Russian-Made Missiles Turned Into Duds

[Imran Khan]

Sir please take a look at the evolution of maps from independent sources

i have wasted years of reading and summary is below
1948 india loss despite using airborne troops to kashmir paksitan have captured 85,846 km2 already .

next was 1962 india further loss 15% of kashmir to china 37,555 km which india can not take back.China seized Aksai Chin in a month-long war

at 1965 war was not a win for any side in fact 16 days can not be said a war but border skirmishes

1971 india white washed pakistan at east pakistan and it was Indian victory

siachin another adventure without results main glacier under India and rest 6 glaciers under pakistan even today

1998 despite a huge force small country attacked highly guarded loc and captured many tops . india after paying heavy price of lives and equipment retake his own tops but still few were take by pakistan and yet pakistan control them today.yes pakistan also loss lives in this adventure .

2001 heavy build up india losses hundreds of soldiers (some say 1874 Indian solders killed )without fight a war total failure of india money and lives .i was watching that time LK advani say AAR PAAR ki laraki . finish paksitan forever and bla bla what happened ?

2019 despite very very tall claims of sabak shikhana and punishing pakistan . india lost its equipment more men and a civilian a chopper a fighter jet humiliation in front of world as pilot captured and then india retreat with more 7 lives loss .




so my dear friend can you please mention us what is victory here ?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

i have wasted years of reading and summary is below
1948 india loss despite using airborne troops to kashmir paksitan have captured 85,846 km2 already .

next was 1962 india further loss 15% of kashmir to china 37,555 km which india can not take back.China seized Aksai Chin in a month-long war

at 1965 war was not a win for any side in fact 16 days can not be said a war but border skirmishes

1971 india white washed paksitan at east pakistan and it was indian victory

siachin another adventure without results main glacier under india and rest 6 glaciers under paksitan even today

1998 despite a huge force small country attacked highly guarded loc and captured many tops . india after paying heavy price of lives and equipment retake his own tops but still few were take by paksitan and yet pakistan control them today.yes paksitan also loss lives in this adventure .

2001 havy build up inia losses hundreds of soldiers without fight a war total failure of india money and lives .

2019 despite very very tall claims of sabak shikhana and punishing pakistan . india lost its equipment more men and a civilian a chopper a fighter jet humiliation in front of world as pilot captured and then india retreat with more 7 lives loss .




so my dear friend can you please mention us what is victory here ?

Excellent summary.

India's next war is within itself. Pakistan need not do anything.

 

[Imran Khan]

Excellent summary.

India's next war is within itself. Pakistan need not do anything.

those who know they already know west pakistan nor it is nor it was a hot cake . india can not do anything to us . i am living in this pakistan since last 4 decades i have never seen Indian military in pakistan in my whole life . and since 1971 Pakistani nation have never seen a flying indian fighter jet over our skies .in last 73 years no Pakistani see an India soldier marching in our cities . these border skirmishes were happen always on borders . world those days fight wars of months and years while Indian-paksitanis were joking a 16 days war a 17 days war . it was just political stupidity .

in recent decades pakistan turned security state its not pakistan of 1971 ether . pakistan is armed to teeth . i think pakistan feels unsecured in 1971 and since then paks are building a massive military and weapons no matter what they are arming their forces . for example pakistan signed a contract of 3 agosta-90b submarines of 775million$ in 1994 while at that time Pakistani Forex reserves were 500million$ its just an example who pakistan take it on hearts recently when everyone bashing Pakistani economy tons of new modern weapons have been purchased from around the globe for pakistan military .some 15 to 18 naval ships and 8 new submarines were purchased in recent 3-4 years india will have to talk with pakistan as parvin always say it .

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

those who know they already know west pakistan nor it is nor it was a hot cake . india can not do anything to us . i am living in this pakistan since last 4 decades i have never seen Indian military in pakistan in my whole life . and since 1971 Pakistani nation have never seen a flying indian fighter jet over our skies .in last 73 years no Pakistani see an India soldier marching in our cities . these border skirmishes were happen always on borders . world those days fight wars of months and years while Indian-paksitanis were joking a 16 days war a 17 days war . it was just political stupidity .

in recent decades pakistan turned security state its not pakistan of 1971 ether . pakistan is armed to teeth . i think pakistan feels unsecured in 1971 and since then paks are building a massive military and weapons no matter what they are arming their forces . for example pakistan signed a contract of 3 agosta-90b submarines of 775million$ in 1994 while at that time Pakistani Forex reserves were 500million$ its just an example who pakistan take it on hearts recently when everyone bashing Pakistani economy tons of new modern weapons have been purchased from around the globe for pakistan military . india will have to talk with pakistan as parvin always say it .

Definitely, Pakistan is moving towards a consolidated, unified nation. All ethnicities and sects are merging together into one narrative as never has been seen before.

If there is a war, Pakistan will function as a well oiled machine and unleash devastating punishment on a disorganized and dysfunctional Indian military.

The whole population is ready to fight a total war with every citizen as a combatant, I don't believe India would ever risk it anymore.

 

[Imran Khan]

Definitely, Pakistan is moving towards a consolidated, unified nation. All ethnicities and sects are merging together into one narrative as never has been seen before.

If there is a war, Pakistan will function as a well oiled machine and unleash devastating punishment on a disorganized and dysfunctional Indian military.

The whole population is ready to fight a total war with every citizen as a combatant, I don't believe India would ever risk it anymore.

the problem is india is not capable to handle the war but they have dream of being police man of south asia . wars fights for bring enemy on table and then negotiate on your own favorite terms with enemy . can India bring pakistan to knee like 1971 again now ? nah its not possible today is 2020 not 1971 . pakistan have made some suicide dooms day weapons too and always keep in pocket . what india have options ? parvin is right he say talk to pakistan and close the western front forever then think about china . china do not want to talk to india about issues but pakistan always open to talk . it seems with in few years pakistan will be fully allied with china and refuse to talk with india like china did . that will be painful situation for india . india is today thinking tactical level even thier military leaders think about short tactical level most of them have been spent their carriers fighting proxy wars rather then full scale war with enemy . Indians are tightened in kashmir very badly since last 30 years .

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Definitely, Pakistan is moving towards a consolidated, unified nation. All ethnicities and sects are merging together into one narrative as never has been seen before.

If there is a war, Pakistan will function as a well oiled machine and unleash devastating punishment on a disorganized and dysfunctional Indian military.

The whole population is ready to fight a total war with every citizen as a combatant, I don't believe India would ever risk it anymore.

Being alone and Ahmak are the same...

Pak isn’t alone either...

 

[Imran Khan]

Being alone and Ahmak are the same...

Pak isn’t alone either...

indians have no objectives of war ether they just use this tool fr political and tactical goals which are useless for long term . in fact they worsen the problems .

 

[peagle]

It was a wake up call like that of 1962..Just like after the failure of 1962, India defeated the Chinese in the war of 1967 and secured Sikkim...I am hoping a similiar outcome will come from the failure of 2019 ..

I think you meant occupied Sikkim by playing dirty politics in a minor independent country and buying up all the local politicians. It is called backstabbing and terrorism against a defenseless country.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Terror attacks in Kashmir went down, the lowest since 90's. Hizbis are dying like flies, guess we hit some real "trees" in Balakot.

 

[Mingburnu]

Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs,.....

Such a vivid picture of the day being painted by Indians now. Poor IAF planes and pilots. Real world fights can be harsh for them.

“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot.

Honest admission, confession.

 

[adelphi]

Terror attacks in Kashmir went down, the lowest since 90's. Hizbis are dying like flies, guess we hit some real "trees" in Balakot.

To begin with it's insurgency otherwise you wouldn't need a full lockdown of occupied Kashmir. I truely believe IAF's incompetence or failure to hit Balakot was a blessing for Indians. Had there been even 1% of claimed casualties, your Brigade HQs would have been a memorial site today (forget about Abhinandan's fate).
Pakistan was never going to hold back and that was made clear well advance.

 

[Chhatrapati]

To begin with it's insurgency otherwise you wouldn't need a full lockdown of occupied Kashmir. I truely believe IAF's incompetence or failure to hit Balakot was a blessing for Indians. Had there been even 1% of claimed casualties, your Brigade HQs would have been a memorial site today (forget about Abhinandan's fate).
Pakistan was never going to hold back and that was made clear well advance.

Insurgency or not. Things changed for the better since that. Desperate calls from Hizbis started making rounds since that, and art 370 removal was the final nail in the coffin. Everything was on time. The price we paid, a vintage Bison.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

i have wasted years of reading and summary is below
1948 india loss despite using airborne troops to kashmir paksitan have captured 85,846 km2 already .

next was 1962 india further loss 15% of kashmir to china 37,555 km which india can not take back.China seized Aksai Chin in a month-long war

at 1965 war was not a win for any side in fact 16 days can not be said a war but border skirmishes

1971 india white washed pakistan at east pakistan and it was Indian victory

siachin another adventure without results main glacier under India and rest 6 glaciers under pakistan even today

1998 despite a huge force small country attacked highly guarded loc and captured many tops . india after paying heavy price of lives and equipment retake his own tops but still few were take by pakistan and yet pakistan control them today.yes pakistan also loss lives in this adventure .

2001 heavy build up india losses hundreds of soldiers (some say 1874 Indian solders killed )without fight a war total failure of india money and lives .i was watching that time LK advani say AAR PAAR ki laraki . finish paksitan forever and bla bla what happened ?

2019 despite very very tall claims of sabak shikhana and punishing pakistan . india lost its equipment more men and a civilian a chopper a fighter jet humiliation in front of world as pilot captured and then india retreat with more 7 lives loss .




so my dear friend can you please mention us what is victory here ?

i have wasted years of reading and summary is below
1948 india loss despite using airborne troops to kashmir paksitan have captured 85,846 km2 already .

Being an indian, our view is totally different
I would say, "water half and half empty" now depends of you, how you see!

If my memory served right then pak forces came to Kashmir and Indian force were not in Kashmir. They came after the agreement but still manage to control more than Pakistan.


next was 1962 india further loss 15% of kashmir to china 37,555 km which india can not take back.China seized Aksai Chin in a month-long war

Yes, it was a failure and lost.

at 1965 war was not a win for any side in fact 16 days can not be said a war but border skirmishes

Agreed!

1971 india white washed pakistan at east pakistan and it was Indian victory

siachin another adventure without results main glacier under India and rest 6 glaciers under pakistan even today

No, siachin was going to Pakistani hand slowly slowly... US and others were referring to siachin as Pakistani part of land.

1998 despite a huge force small country attacked highly guarded loc and captured many tops . india after paying heavy price of lives and equipment retake his own tops but still few were take by pakistan and yet pakistan control them today.yes pakistan also loss lives in this adventure .

If you read the history then Indian solders were not there when pak forces came. Finally, it cost both of the countries for this adventure and also damaged Pakistani image at international level.

2001 heavy build up india losses hundreds of soldiers (some say 1874 Indian solders killed )without fight a war total failure of india money and lives .i was watching that time LK advani say AAR PAAR ki laraki . finish paksitan forever and bla bla what happened ?

No, it's a false claim.

2019 despite very very tall claims of sabak shikhana and punishing pakistan . india lost its equipment more men and a civilian a chopper a fighter jet humiliation in front of world as pilot captured and then india retreat with more 7 lives loss .

Losses happen in many countries during the peace time including in Pakistan.

so my dear friend can you please mention us what is victory here ?

After 70 years of flight, I could say that both are losers..

 

[adelphi]

Insurgency or not. Things changed for the better since that. Desperate calls from Hizbis started making rounds since that, and art 370 removal was the final nail in the coffin. Everything was on time. The price we paid, a vintage Bison.

So removal of article 370 was the magic spell that finally set Kashmir at peace .... Are you sure there won't be any repeat of Pulwama or Uri? Isn't it too early to put up a "mission accomplished" banner.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

India is not buying Derby for Su30 no matter what the fake news media says. Derby will be used only where Israeli radar is fitted - Tejas Mk1. No other plane will have derby at any cost. India has developed its own Astra for good reason and it makes no sense to select Derby which has similar range as Astra.