India Is Turning To Israel After Its Russian-Made Missiles Turned Into Duds

[Daghalodi]

These are just optics and preparedness. But India doesn't want to fight China. India doesn't want to alarm Bangladesh and hence uses China as a bogeyman instead of telling the truth about threat from Bangladesh.

Thats just your opinion. You are a useless troll so your opinions dont matter. Your Generals want to fight a two front war but 27th Feb 2019 woke them up and made them go on a shopping spree.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

what planet are you living in again? obviously not earth cuz if you were, you would've known that the u.s. produces its own oil now, bush to obama to trump administrations all have said that they REALLY don't need the arab oil anymore. oh and once again... @ "Arabs even installed obama in usa"!!! aaaaheeemmmm...such a good laugh! thx man!!!

What a absurd argument. USA went to energy independence only in 2017. Before that US depended on Arab oil. Even now, USA allies like EU and USA vassals like Japan, Taiwan, Korea etc rely on Arab oil.

We've just dealt with 'em a lot longer than you have in close cooperation so we know all about the inner workings of their "deep state". there's a reason why we've pushed back on their AfPAK doctrine and brought them to the negotiation tables instead of letting their deep state have their way...there favorite tactic is to have someone else fight their war for them and then have them waltz in to pick up the remains...NOT gonna happen with us. india though, looks like that is FAST becoming a different story. admit it, americans have a way of silently killing your economy and then telling you to do as your told. but alas, indian so called "leadership" is far too smart for its own good...you did tried to play bite game with a rattle snake after all and are now paying the price...

What price? Indian economy does not depend on USA. India has its own economy and its own growth scale. India is continually refusing to buy F16 or F18 and refusing ro trouble China in any way. India never sided with USA. India has always been on Russian side.

dude? man shut the hell up with your extremely strong cow dung! The world saw "how strong you are" on Feb 27th when in retaliation for killing a crow, you got bombed in broad daylight 6 times in a row and lost loads of lives along with front line fighters only to respond with a whimper! and here's the cold, harsh reality miss "extremely strong india", it'll take China 24 hours to wipe india off the face of the map while it'll take usa a mere 2 hours. as the famous saying goes...auqaat may raho

Nonsense. Skirmish doesn't show anything. China wiping out India in 24 hours? Are you on drugs? USA can wipe out India in 2 hours? What are you smoking? India can wipe out entire USA bases in IOR in a month's time. This is the reality. Your 2 hour fantasies doesn't work in real life.

very irrelevant. the only reason is to build the ground to stave off that diplomatic lactation western countries start going through every time Pakistan slams india on the ground...this time around, the case is being built that india was just asking for the asswhooping it is about to get in the near future...there's a reason why even China is taking an aggressive tone against india...they too have interests on your land that we'll be splitting up with them.

Unless you intend to be a stooge of West, you don't need any diplomatic pressure to or from the west. Do you see India going to USA to talk about Kashmir or Pakistan issue?

first off, no you don't "make" your own su30, save a few components, you most assemble it that arrives from russia knock down kits...secondly, mirage 2000 or the su30, neither would've survived against us as you can tell by the panic ridden retreat of your mirage 2000s and the shooting down of the bison AND the su30 the following day...

Su30 has been fully indigenised. Everything is now made in India. The indigenisation was 5 phase program. After 2015, Su30 is fully indigenised.

Pakistan was RIGHT in saying that it did not use the F16s in the operation Swift Retort...the F16 was used as an interceptor in a defensive role against the su30 and the bison...that used condom your iaf personnel are showing only proves that there was another indian aircraft that was hit by our AMRAAM as it was running away...that was the AMRAAM that sodomized your su30.

Again, using BVRAAM doesn't count as defensive. That is all India was trying to say - India shot down an F16 which was attacking and in turn lost MiG21. When Pakistan stated that it didn't send F16, India proved otherwise by showing the attacking AIMRAAM.

make in india...yyyyyyyeeah, lemme know how's that workin' out for y'r modi ji!!!

Good luck with your make in Pakistan. India has started assembling mobile phones, Making API for pharmaceuticals, manufacturing significant defence equipment like T90 tanks, Su30 etc. Pakistan, on the other hand, paints imported items and calls it indigenous.

 

[PradoTLC]

It was a wake up call like that of 1962..Just like after the failure of 1962, India defeated the Chinese in the war of 1967 and secured Sikkim...I am hoping a similiar outcome will come from the failure of 2019 ..

err... no

U planned the attacks on 26 Feb 2019... you intiated go your arse kicked. Will you win the next round?

no?

because what this round shows Pakistan is far better tactically equipped and trained to fight you off...


and Pakistan will also learned lessons, next time we will go all out decimate any thing that flies. There will less political restriction from the PM. He probably is the only Pakistani who as any sympathy to the Indian nation.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-its-russian-made-missiles-turned-duds-128852

March 3, 2020 Topic: Technology Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: RussiaIndiaMissilesPakistanR-77Israel

Can Israeli missiles be integrated on a Russian jet?

by Michael Peck
Key point: But India isn't done buying Russian-made weapons.


After losing one of its fighters to Pakistani jets armed with American-made missiles in 2019, India is not happy with its Russian-made missiles.



In fact, it wants to replace its Russian air-to-air missiles with Israeli weapons, according to Indian news site NDTV.

“In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27,” NDTV said.

During air battles along the Kashmir border on February 26 and 27 of last year, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 was shot down, apparently by a U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) fired by one of Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) American-built F-16 fighters. India claims to have downed a Pakistani fighter – which Pakistan denies – but India was still embarrassed by the capture of its MiG-21 pilot, who was shown on Pakistani television and later returned.

What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range. “Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometers [62 miles],” according to NDTV. “Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometers [50 miles] away.”

The early-model AIM-120A/B has a range of up to 75 kilometers (46 miles). But in 2010, Pakistan received a batch of the AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). The most advanced AIM-120D has an estimated range of up to 160 kilometers (100 miles).

“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot. “The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch.”

India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapons, such as the Heron drone and the Derby, a radar-guided, beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile with a range of 50 kilometers (31 miles). To counter AMRAAM-armed Pakistani F-16s, the IAF is looking at the improved I-Derby, which features a more radar seeker and – most importantly – a 100-kilometer (62 mile) range.

But that raises another problem: how to integrate an Israeli missile into a Russian airframe (and an ironic problem, given how much Russian-built planes have been destroyed by Israeli missiles). “Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired,” according to NDTV. “A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.”

Strangely, while disparaging Russian missiles and buying Israeli ones, the Indian Air Force is reportedly ordering yet more Russian weapons. Moscow is offering medium- and long-range versions of the underperforming R-77.


Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook. This article appeared last year.

Image: Reuters.

what self defeating article... it confirm Su-30s were also shot down... ie they were completely ineffective.

think

According to IAF - they shot down a F-16 and scared the PAF off... if true why the disappointment?... a Mig 21 shooting down a F-16 is a good trade.. they should be happy?... and we were scared in handing back that Madrasi Pilot Abeelundon??...

good result?

no?

yet every thing in India's body language has confirmed that they got badly humiliated that day.

Nonsense. Skirmish doesn't show anything.

it showed how ineffective your airforce was....

 

[GumNaam]

What a absurd argument. USA went to energy independence only in 2017. Before that US depended on Arab oil. Even now, USA allies like EU and USA vassals like Japan, Taiwan, Korea etc rely on Arab oil.

oh GAWD your more out of touch than I thought...it was achieved 2006 when new bigger oil reserves were discovered in north dakota you idiot! there's a reason why bush said that we don't need the middle east any more. and yeah, eu, japan, taiwan and korea...you think the u.s. doesn't wanna snatch away those markets from the middle east and corner them for itself? u.s. now views arabs as oil competition.

What price? Indian economy does not depend on USA. India has its own economy and its own growth scale. India is continually refusing to buy F16 or F18 and refusing ro trouble China in any way. India never sided with USA. India has always been on Russian side.

what a load of horse manure. india never refused F16s nor F18s but rather, asked for there assembly (what you consider as "manufacturing") in india...aside from offering you a "wing" assembly factory, american companies have refused and that's why you haven't gotten. and yeah you are right about india having its own economy that doesn't depend on the u.s. you have an economy centered around bank runs, organ theft, suiciding farmers, online scammers, prostitution, rape and selling repackaged gobar and gow muttar! now NO one can compete with that!

Nonsense. Skirmish doesn't show anything. China wiping out India in 24 hours? Are you on drugs? USA can wipe out India in 2 hours? What are you smoking? India can wipe out entire USA bases in IOR in a month's time. This is the reality. Your 2 hour fantasies doesn't work in real life.

in a month's time? do you have ANY idea what the u.s. (or China) would do to you if you even THINK about putting that into even a mock practice??? apna antim sanskar karva na hay kia? wake up and smell the fantashtik chai...you can't even handle Pakistan, a country that is 1/6th your size...u.s. aur China say larrain gey yeh chootiyay!!!

Unless you intend to be a stooge of West, you don't need any diplomatic pressure to or from the west. Do you see India going to USA to talk about Kashmir or Pakistan issue?

india has no room to talk...don't forget, india did a lot of diplomatic maneuvering with the u.s. and around the world to convince them that WE were some how supporting terrorism but alas...india stopped and lost all face after the arrest of kalbhusan yadav and getting bitchslapped in the international court of justice where Pakistan's claim to keeping him under our jurisdiction was thoroughly validated.

Su30 has been fully indigenised. Everything is now made in India. The indigenisation was 5 phase program. After 2015, Su30 is fully indigenised.

radar comes from russia, engine comes from russia, flight controls come from russia, save a few components, almost all the avionics come from russia...wtf is indian in that thing? the pilot? at best, I would give credit to the drdo/hal's su30 debacle as one of the biggest scams they have pulled on gullible indian tax payers like you.

Again, using BVRAAM doesn't count as defensive. That is all India was trying to say - India shot down an F16 which was attacking and in turn lost MiG21. When Pakistan stated that it didn't send F16, India proved otherwise by showing the attacking AIMRAAM.

1. its not your place (auqaat) to tell us what does and does not count as defensive or offensive for that matter. We will use whatever we want for both offensive AND defensive purposes, this has also been accepted by your husband's u.s. state department that said that Pakistan has the right to use all of its arsenal at its disposal for defensive purposes.
2. if there is an indian aircraft that tries to enter our airspace and we shoot AMRAAMs up its arse as it turns around and runs away, its not our problem that the poor bastard got shot down on the other side...shouldn't have tried to enter our space. now the poor su30 pilot is probably dead!
3. F16 which was attacking??? oh wow, how many joints of dried cow dung did you have to smoke to come up with that one? you supposedly "shot down and attacking F16" and recovered a piece of its AMRAAM but can't produce the actual wreckage WHILE all authorative sources in the world have dismissed your claim (including your favorite christina fair) and have bluntly smeared humiliation on your face by dictating over & over again that NO F16s HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN!!! even the number counts have been validated many times over.

Good luck with your make in Pakistan. India has started assembling mobile phones, Making API for pharmaceuticals, manufacturing significant defence equipment like T90 tanks, Su30 etc. Pakistan, on the other hand, paints imported items and calls it indigenous.

is that the latest chooran they've been feeding you? your, at best just an assembly & storage facility for companies, nothing more, nothing less. and your false claim of "making significant defence equipment like tanks, su30s" fall flat on its face since india is the biggest arms importer in the world...if you you were "making significant defence equipment like tanks, su30s", you wouldn't be importing now would ya? at least not in such a huge amount. you are assembling what you are importing in knock down kits...nothing more, nothing less.

by the way, the topic of this thread completely negates your wishful rant "india ij chupa pawa that manofatur aybrytheeng" cuz your out shopping for missiles instead of making them...yeah yeah, I know there's the "astra" made up of french and isreali components...just another import and assemble venture, nothing more.

 

[Oublious]

So not only engines but weapons are not good. Most of the dictator regimes in the middle east are using it...