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India is out to damage Pakistan water interest on Kabul river.

Ok that was funny, I had a brief smile :)

On a serious note, yes Afghans must return back to Afghanistan asap. Though I doubt Afghans living in Pakistan have any big impact on Pakistani energy shortages.

Yeah you should smile because afghanistan sending electricity to Pakistan is a joke actually big joke.

You guys are dealing with a very tight security situation and you are making claims that we will do this and that? First make your govt to extend their rule from kabul to entire afghanistan. Your govt rule only on kabul not entire afghanistan.

Afghanis will go back to Afghanistan otherwise we will force them to leave.
 
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Anyone who has recently been to Pakistan's major cities will tell you that it feels like all of Afghanistan is in Pakistan.
guess what a friend was in peshawar and karachi just a few days back for some work but there when asked about the same problem said there are some 3.5 millon afghan refugees living in pakistan but most of them are labour class dont know how you made the figure of 100K daily coming to pakistan try to analise things on merit and facts rather trying to proove every one wrong that to based on hairsay and paranoia and assumptions
 
Someone like you having a friend in Karachi or Peshawar doesn't seem right.
ya thats right but dont worry nothing "illeagel" about it :D

point is if pakistan wants peace in afghanistan it has to shed the attitude "you cant be friends with owr enemies or else"

good night
 
Somebody mentioned that modern conflicts would be about water.

Anyways, it is not wise to blame others for undertaking projects that may or may not affect water situation in Pakistan. We need to address our problems through relevant projects as fast as possible.
 
Its astonishing how you people think CPEC is going to be a remedy for all the ills pakistan is facing and that this project will make pakistan more mighty in the world... What a Grand delusion..

OTOH, CPEC is just a 50 billion dollar project that is sparsely spread over 15 years, i.e. hardly 4 billion dollars an annum and you are going to payback with 18% Return on Investment... trust me.. this CPEC is going to cripple your economy... it will kill the exports in your country... no more jobs in SMEs.

You are going to payback IMF loans from next year.. already 45% of your budget is marked for debt servicing... Pakistani bonds are given "JUNK" status in bond market.. you still blow your trumpet for CPEC... god save you and your country...


For those of us who have just come back from Pakistan recently, the ground reality is that CPEC has ALREADY started to make major differences to Pakistan. That of which has never ever been seen before in our history.

The $46 billion invested is the initial amount. There are more billions to come in the coming years/decades with the possibility of other allies joining in the project. CPEC Is not a 15 year project. CPEC Is a continuous project set to last many decades at least especially in light of the strategic importance Gwadar has for China. This was indirectly stated by members of the Chinese military high command.

Chinese expertise and technological prowess has already evidently helped many Pakistani SME businesses and brought them to relative world class standards.

CPEC in itself might not transform Pakistan but it is the CATALYST that will transform Pakistan. This is not a dream. It is ALREADY happening. The ground reality in Pakistan confirms this.

People keep talking about CPEC but there are other major economic/infrastructure programs going on all over Pakistan involving China and Turkey that never get a mention. One thing is for certain, Pakistan is finally heading in the right direction after so many decades.
 
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well ask any afghan about how and why they view indians as friends but not as villians and you will find it very strange

now as per 100K afghans coming everyday means 3.65 million every year that means in last one decade alone 36.5 millon so in last 30 years 109.5 millon afghans came and settelled in Pakistan but what is there current population in pakistan ?

point is you cant bully every one and you cant get away with your past mistakes they will come back to haunt you weather you like it or not... think about it :tup:
Actually according to him it's more than 36.5 million a year
 
No problem. Afghanistan tries anything stupid with regards to water supply to Pakistan and we'll send 5 million+ Afghans from Pakistan back home. On top of that we'll seal the border to prevent all supplies and provisions reaching you. We will unleash the biggest starvation crisis to hit a nation on to your country. Then we'll see if india who has at least 33% of the world's severely malnourished and extreme poor come and save you. Please try. Boys in green are waiting in the mist.

Part of the CPEC initiative is to eventually increase water/energy supplies and create multiple dam projects. This will eventually curtail the water crisis in Pakistan. It's not going to happen over night but will time to realize.
Do you think that the leaders of Pakistan will have the courage to do this should Pakistan suffer a biting water crisis?
 
Afghanistan’s authorities with the help of Indian experts have completed the feasibilities and detailed engineering of 12 hydro-power projects with capacity to generate 1,177MW of electricity to be built on the river Kabul.

If the 12 projects get completed, they will store 4.7 million acre feet of water squeezing the flow in the river reaching Pakistan.

India, which also helped Afghanistan in repairing the Friendship Dam (Salma Dam) on the river Chishti-e-Sharif in Herat province, is already erecting the hydro-power projects on the Chenab, Jhelum and Indus with an objective to get the capacity to maneuver water flows destined to reach Pakistan and is now active to squeeze the water artery coming from Afghanistan.

According to a document exclusively available with The News, Indian experts have completed the feasibilities and detailed engineering of the 12 projects to be built on the river Kabul. The authorities in Kabul after completing the tendering process will be initiating construction of multi-purpose water projects on the tributaries of the river Kabul with assistance from the international community. India plans to assist Afghanistan in this initiative, which will adversely impact on Pakistan. The documents also show that the World Bank will provide funding for the 12 dams that will cost $7.079 billion.

The most ironic part of the whole episode is that Pakistan’s authorities have failed to develop water uses on the river Kabul as they failed to build the Kalabagh Dam at the site on the Indus where the river Kabul merges with the river Indus.

Similarly, Pakistan’s authorities have also failed to construct the Munda Dam on the river Kabul. The failure in developing water uses has weakened Pakistan’s case against the resolve of Afghanistan to build the 12 hydro-power projects on the river Kabul.

The documents unveil that four hydro-power projects will be constructed in the Punjshir sub-basin. These include the $332 million Totumdara project which will generate 200MW of electricity and have water storage capacity of 332,510 acres feet; the $1.174b Barak project which will generate 100MW of electricity and store 429,830 acres feet of water; $1.078 billion Panjshir (100MW) project with the capacity to store 105,4300 acres feet of water; and the $607 million Baghdara (210MW) project with the capacity to store 324,400 acres feet of water.

In the Logur Upper Kabul sub-basin on the river Kabul four more dams are to be built which include the $72 million Haijana project (72MW) with water storage capacity of 178,420 acres feet; $207 million Kajab (15MW) project with water storage capacity of 324,400 acres feet; the $356 million Tangi Wadag (56MW) project with capacity to store 283,850 acres feet; and $51m Gat (86MW) project with water storage capacity of 405,500 acres feet. Four more dams will be built in the Lower Kabul sub-basin, including the $442 million Sarobi project (210MW) with the capacity to store 324,400 acres feet of water; the $1.434 billion Laghman project (1251MW) with water storage capacity of 233,568 acres feet; and the $1.094 billion Konar (A) (94.8MW) and Kama projects (11.5MW).

Pakistan and Afghanistan currently share nine rivers with annual flows of about 18.3 million acres feet (MAF) of which the river Kabul accounts for 16.5MAF, while River Chitral, which originates from Pakistan, contributes about 8.5MAF. After it enters Afghanistan this river is called River Kunar. It joins the river Kabul near Jalalabad and then re-enters Pakistan.

However, the documents say: “Ninety percent of Afghanistan’s land area is located in the five river basins namely: Panj-Amu Darya River Basin, Northern River Basin, Harirud-Murghab Basin, Helmand River Basin and river Kabul basin. The total storage capacity of these dams is around 4.7 million acre feet. It is further estimated that the planned dams will utilise 0.5 MAF water to irrigate additional 14,000 acres of land.

“Afghanistan has the right to utilise water from the river Kabul as the total flow of Kabul River is 21,000 million cubic meter. But the river Kunar, which contributes 15,000 million cubic meter to the river Kabul, originates from Pakistan.

“In the absence of major dams in Pakistan, it is feared that Pakistan will have to buy electricity from Afghanistan, which is the underlying purpose of the above mentioned plan of the Afghan government in collaboration with India.”

However, Syed Mehr Ali Shah, Joint Secretary (Water Wing) in the Ministry of Water and Power said that all the water uses of river Kabul are 100 percent committed up to Kotri Barrage. Pakistan is the country which is facing water deficit and has total water flows in its rivers and dams stand at 137 MAF and these water uses have been developed for the last many decades and no upper riparian country like Afghanistan can utilize the committed water uses of Pakistan.

Mr Shah said that Afghanistan could utilize 2.5 MAF water for irrigation purposes at the maximum. However, at Warsak, Pakistan has committed water flows of river Kabul of 16-17 MAF out of which 8-8.5 MAF water comes from the river Chitral which generates from Pakistan. “No doubt it is the failure of the authorities and political leadership of not building the Kalabagh Dam and Munda Dam, but if the said dams are not built, even then Pakistan’s water uses of river Kabul are established and Pakistan’s case is very strong if needed to move any international forum,” he claimed.

When asked about the huge quantum of 36 MAF water that went down the drain during the flood season, Mr Shah said that it was flood water which could not be stored. However, in the remaining months, Pakistan faces the water deficit and the Kabul water uses are 100 percent committed in Pakistan. He said since there is no water treaty with Afghanistan, but under the international convention Pakistan has the right to utilise 17 MAF water in river Kabul as the said water uses are committed in lower riparian country. Likewise Afghanistan uses 1.8 MAF which is its developed water rights. Both the countries under the international convention are bound to continue to utilise their developed water uses. To a question Mr Shah said that Munda is being built on Sawat basin which is Pakistan’s own basin.

Talking about the 4.7 MAF water to be stored in 12 hydropower project being built on river Kabul, Mr Shah said that it was not correct as the water storage would not be more than 2 MAF. However, in the initial filling, the said projects may store the water more than 2 MAF, but after that projects will not be able to store more than 2 MAF. However, the Afghanistan if tries its best, it can use 2.5 MAF water from river Kabul to irrigate its plain lands at the maximum.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/125490-India-out-to-damage-Pakistans-water-interests-on-Kabul-river
 
Do you think that the leaders of Pakistan will have the courage to do this should Pakistan suffer a biting water crisis?


Our political leaders will not but our military high command will especially if our national survival is at stake. And that's all that matters as they control the REAL power in Pakistan. There is a reason why we are the only Islamic nuclear weapons state and why we achieved this when the whole world (except China) tried to stop us from doing so. We have achieved so much as a nation and endured so much hardship that other countries could not resist to let the likes of the Afghans/Indians do any harm to us. Fact is we can destroy Afghanistan without firing a bullet or involving our armed forces. And they the Afghans know this bitter reality. I do however hope it doesn't come to that.
 
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with all due respect Sir

its Indian or Bhartiya not bharti i will get banned if i use same kind of racial slur P*** for your people

you are a senior member please try to act like one ... SIR

as for this blog well its written by more like frustated students

as for Dams well remmeber sir ganga ram he along with british gave pakistan its canal system which made it such a grain basket but your sucsessive govenments dint even did proper de silting forget how many dams and canals they built but your media and tarzia nigars dont let any opportunity to blame india over the issue .... how convinient

Why do you even use "Sir"? o_O
 
Now here the writer has crossed the red line called Sanity. I mean What The o_O

As I stated earlier and confirmed by Afrasiab Khattak sahib, Ashraf Ghani offered Pakistan to jointly initiate these projects to benefit both countries and of course increase our mutual interdependence. Again it seemed Pakistani establishment shot itself in the foot by pursuing its objectives via Afghan Talis.



Afrasiab Khattak‏@a_siab
@UmarCheema1 Ashraf Ghani's offer to Pak for joint hydel power projects on Kabul River was not taken up as Taliban remained Pak priority.

Here is another from Aljzeera -- I know not you favorite source -- it has an interesting picture of what remains of the Aral sea: Are 'Water Wars' imminent in Central Asia?

I think this is one of the widely acclaimed books on the subject: The Big Thirst: The Secret Life and Turbulent Future of Water

A few more points:

1. No same person would dispute the fact that both Afghan and Pakistani people have rights to the water of Kabul river. But what wisdom did the Afghan people have to involve India in this matter -- some common sense might be needed.

2. A water sharing agreement between Kabul and Pakistan would be a very difficult thing to do but should be possible -- India and Pakistan have one that has worked reasonably well given the circumstances. A strong third party like the World Bank, or China and US can act as guarantors

3. But what wisdom Afghans think there is in poking the GHQ and the Pakistani people in the eye is beyond me. In Urdu there is a saying: "Aya bayl mujhay maar"

Here is Afrasiab Khattak confirming my earlier assertions that Ashraf Ghani wanted to carry out these projects on the Kabul River with Pakistan for mutual benefit but of course GHQ had Talis on its mind.

So there is no question of antagonizing Pakistan, but if an offer is made and Pakistan ignores it and then Idia jumps to help of course we will accept the offer.




Afrasiab Khattak‏@a_siab
@UmarCheema1 Ashraf Ghani's offer to Pak for joint hydel power projects on Kabul River was not taken up as Taliban remained Pak priority.

For those of us who have just come back from Pakistan recently, the ground reality is that CPEC has ALREADY started to make major differences to Pakistan. That of which has never ever been seen before in our history.

The $46 billion invested is the initial amount. There are more billions to come in the coming years/decades with the possibility of other allies joining in the project. CPEC Is not a 15 year project. CPEC Is a continuous project set to last many decades at least especially in light of the strategic importance Gwadar has for China. This was indirectly stated by members of the Chinese military high command.

Chinese expertise and technological prowess has already evidently helped many Pakistani SME businesses and brought them to relative world class standards.

CPEC in itself might not transform Pakistan but it is the CATALYST that will transform Pakistan. This is not a dream. It is ALREADY happening. The ground reality in Pakistan confirms this.

People keep talking about CPEC but there are other major economic/infrastructure programs going on all over Pakistan involving China and Turkey that never get a mention. One thing is for certain, Pakistan is finally heading in the right direction after so many decades.

CPEC is definitely a good news for the region and hope it bears fruits sooner, I have not seen the latest route per se but I understand that Afghanistan will be connected in some aspects to it which is a win-win situation for all.

/Peace
 
As I stated earlier and confirmed by Afrasiab Khattak sahib, Ashraf Ghani offered Pakistan to jointly initiate these projects to benefit both countries and of course increase our mutual interdependence. Again it seemed Pakistani establishment shot itself in the foot by pursuing its objectives via Afghan Talis.



Afrasiab Khattak‏@a_siab
@UmarCheema1 Ashraf Ghani's offer to Pak for joint hydel power projects on Kabul River was not taken up as Taliban remained Pak priority.



Here is Afrasiab Khattak confirming my earlier assertions that Ashraf Ghani wanted to carry out these projects on the Kabul River with Pakistan for mutual benefit but of course GHQ had Talis on its mind.

So there is no question of antagonizing Pakistan, but if an offer is made and Pakistan ignores it and then Idia jumps to help of course we will accept the offer.




Afrasiab Khattak‏@a_siab
@UmarCheema1 Ashraf Ghani's offer to Pak for joint hydel power projects on Kabul River was not taken up as Taliban remained Pak priority.



CPEC is definitely a good news for the region and hope it bears fruits sooner, I have not seen the latest route per se but I understand that Afghanistan will be connected in some aspects to it which is a win-win situation for all.

/Peace


Thank you. I feel really bad now for saying negative things about Afghanistan. :frown:
 
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