India is a Hindu nation: RSS chief

[toxic_pus]

Secularism is a motto of atheist communist.

Secularism means segregation of religion from state. Meaning, that the state can't abopt as policy, that is favorable to a particular religion.

Secularism has nothing to do with communism.

 

[shravan]

If it wasn't those hindus, India will be run over by thugs like Bal Thankray and Varun Gandhi.

That's what I also fear the most. But its not just happening in India.

 

[rubyjackass]

Your comment is as dumb as the one being made by the RSS chief.

Gabbar, last day Lalu Prasad was arrested for attacking on Varun, and people are now saying that Lalu did that for Muslim vote bank. I simply do not understand what these hypocrite false Indians want. Whatever may be the reason, but at least Lalu condemned the dangerous hate speech of Varun. How many Indian politicians have ever done that?

Self criticism does not stand for anti-Indianness.

I will post the relevant news article regarding this next .

What did you want to say? Let me remind you Mr, Indian subcontinent is not your parental private property. India has one constitution, and whoever is not happy with the constitutional rights, he or she may get out of this land. Otherwise, he or she may be sentenced to jail for violating the basic constitutional rules.



Are you a Dravidian?

I meant what Energon meant in the first quote.
May be my English was bad. So better put it goes like this...
Look who has admitted the status of India and who accepted it
RSS chief made the confession as some people here think it is.


Does the bold part mean you mean to help me from the Aryans?!

 

[rubyjackass]

I dont get it dude.

I think your previous post
"RSS caiming that India is a Hindu nation measn it's not secualr and it is Hindu federation."

The bold part sounded like your opinion. Even now I am not sure. I think you wanted to say that is what RSS chief's words mean?
But many people here thought it was an admission of what India is...

Got it now??

 

[duhastmish]

Nothing like secular country - well in india you have all religion living for sure, sikh , muslim , buddist, hindu , christians , parsi etc.
but the truth is that - you have certain areas which are dominated by one religion , and other religious group are minority in those regions,
like there are some villages you hardly find any muslim and certain areas where muslim live and you hardly find hindu.

Because we are territory oriented people we love to live among our own kind its a very complex subject and structure.

India : its nor one religion oriented and neither secular.

 

[Communist]

We don't want Varun to incite violence.

We don't want lalu to incite violence.

thats simple law. but its difficult for u to understand because u can't look at it without those rediculous ideological glasses u r wearing.

Ane EVERYONE condemned varun's speech, even BJP!

What Varun incited means a communal violence.

What Lalu incited means a mere counter, may be harsh to some extent.

Watch both speeches and get the difference.


My ideology is communism and I am proud of it. One needs to have an extensive study and knowledge regarding sociology, economics, political science, history etc to understand what communism is. Frankly speaking we communists do not consider ignorant brainwashed people to be of our standard. I personally believe in quality instead of quantity. Thus wise men always belong to minority. Everybody cannot be Marx, Lenin or Mao. Impossible.

BJP has declared it will stand by Varun. You need to update your knowledge on current political affairs. Read some good newspapers like The Hindu every morning while taking breakfast tea. It will work.

 

[Communist]

Heck, whose side are you on ? Do you want India to be a Hindu Nation or not ? I thought you were a Pakistani - why do you want India to be a Hindu nation? What interest do you have in convincing rubyjackass that it is a good idea to have India as a Hindu Nation?

What RSS is talking about is changing the constitution and declaring India a Hindu Nation. I personally hate that happening, but RSS chief certainly has a right to say what he wants - Indian constitution also protects free speech.

And I guess the Dravidian comment is just flamebaiting for responses.
Communist, please, I request you to let the thread have a civil debate without this turning into a Caste issue/Dravidian/India-vs-Pak/Hindu-vs-Muslim debate. It is fairly easy to completely destroy a thread by throwing in a few comments about how something tangential is wrong, but that helps no one. This is a forum for debate (I hope).

As a communist I do not want to see India as a Hindu nation at any cost.

Ruby's comment seemed to me hazy and unclear.

 

[Communist]

India should remain a free & democratic country.
Free in the sense all its citzens enjoy their fundamental rights irrespective of cast,creed,religion or gender.

This country will be a hindu outlook since its predominantly hindu.

Secularism is a motto of atheist communist.

Preamble
Main article: Preamble to the Constitution of India
The Preamble states:
The original Preamble to the Constitution of India.

“WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN, SOCIALIST, SECULAR, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;
and to promote among them all
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY
ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION."

Constitution of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Again I repeat whoever is not happy with the constitution may get out of India. India does not need them.

 

[Communist]

Criticism is one thing and a minister, in a pubic rally, saying that "I will run a bulldozer over his chest" is another.

But relax. You are not expected to know the difference.

Do not distort the comment or misinterpret the comment. Lalu said, "If I were the home minister, I would have run a bulldozer on anyone's chest who makes such communal comments". He never said, "I will."

Either your Hindi linguistic skill is poor or your english is not up to the mark.

 

[Communist]

Finally India by her constitution is secular and anyone who is not happy with that may get out of India.

 

[wtf]

Finally India by her constitution is secular and anyone who is not happy with that may get out of India.

More like, anyone who is not happy with the constitution may change it with the support of majority.

 

[Rabbit.Rabbit]

The RSS ideological book says that all Indians are Hindus irrespective of their religion, so it is more of a "forced inclusion" rather than a "forced exclusion" which is usually the case with fundamentalist outfits.

These people are not concerned about religious puritanism, they are concerned about allegiance and identity.

 

[notsuperstitious]

What Varun incited means a communal violence.

What Lalu incited means a mere counter, may be harsh to some extent.

Watch both speeches and get the difference.


My ideology is communism and I am proud of it. One needs to have an extensive study and knowledge regarding sociology, economics, political science, history etc to understand what communism is. Frankly speaking we communists do not consider ignorant brainwashed people to be of our standard. I personally believe in quality instead of quantity. Thus wise men always belong to minority. Everybody cannot be Marx, Lenin or Mao. Impossible.

BJP has declared it will stand by Varun. You need to update your knowledge on current political affairs. Read some good newspapers like The Hindu every morning while taking breakfast tea. It will work.

No you are NOT a communist, u have no clue what is communism, just attacking hinduism makes u an anti hindu, not a communist. yes u like chinese, that makes a chinese lover, not a communist. Look what u wrote earlier -

'We must pave the way for rapid Islamization. It is an ideological warfare. Zionist forces are at work. Israeli Zionists are already working with the Hindu Zionists. The counter can be through Islamization. I think, such forums as PDF should have that vision and mission'

you really need to stop pretending, its pretty cool in your nation to hate hindus and love chinese, so don't be a closet islamist otherwise post something criticising islam just to disprove it a REAL communist would

and abt the Varun issue, no the BJP has not supported his statement, stop twisting things.

and i don't wish to be ur standard, trust me.

 

[Communist]

More like, anyone who is not happy with the constitution may change it with the support of majority.

Fundamental rights cannot be changed. Get some education. India is not anyone's parental private property.

Yes one can change one's family constitution through a private drawing room meeting with the help of the majority.

One thing, India's majority is the OBCs, and Brahmins constitute only 4% something. Muslims, Dalits, Sikhs, Christians, Adivasis are also there. So no chance. Try in some other country.

 

[Rabbit.Rabbit]

Energon, a better term is "Cultural Nationalism". This concept is not new. Most modern European countries were founded on the principles that the RSS is propogating currently.

It is quite natural for such a movement to emerge in India - similar movements are present in most of not all countries to some extent or the other.