With no offence to the Arabians --- without God blessing them wil 'Black Gold' and providing Exxon Mobil,CT,Shell etc to extract it,a;; these figures will be down somewhere as you dont get much from cattle herding.
That is incredibly offensive. How would you like it if someone characterized India as a nation of snake charmers terms or as a bunch of naked swamis? I think this cattle herding business is rather uncalled for.
Also, as we are talking about God blessing the Arabs with Black Gold, some of my Indian friends brought up the UAE/India trade relationship. The largest single import from India is diamonds that are then cut and polished in Dubai. Were those diamonds made by Indian citizens from scratch, as opposed to the "Black Gold" which the Arabs got for free?
Is there any internationally adopted formula to calculate the average HDI of a group of coutries ?
If there isn't then just focus on what you can compare which would explain the levels of development. IWe just established that the OIC countries as a group have a GDP per capita based on PPP and population figures that you yourself have quoted, which is three times higher than India's.
Specious argument --- population that is spread over 57 countries that rarely speaks in one voice vs the population of 1 country that is a stable,united democracy.
Wow. You gave me the population and PPP numbers. If it was so specious, why did you bother doing that? Everytime you get undone by your own numbers you run off in a different direction. The whole debate began when an Indian member claimed that the combined GDP of the OIC was LESS than India's...
I genuinely cant understand how increased 'exposure' to sea beyond a certain limit be beneficial. And this is the first time I am hearing the term 'Percapita Shoreline'
lol
Let me get used to it.
Take your time. While you're at it, read about how the extent of a shoreline enhances your economic zone, fishing areas and so on. You might also introduce yourself to the history of the world which has in large part been shaped by nations' access to the open seas.
Who in reality controls the Suez,Persian Gulf --- American 5 th Fleet.
And I hope you know about the unsinkable aircraft carrier India has near another equally important strait -- Malaccas.
Malaccas? Really? Compared to all the choke points I named. Ok then.
I assked a genuine question --- If they are indeed a cohesive unit to be taken for comparisons then the question I asked must have a "Yes" for an answer
And I gave you a genuine answer. For your purposes, I would say the answer is yes since you can't seem to convince the OIC - despite numerous, numerous attempts - to either let you in or to at least stop badmouthing you.
I know that -- thats why I specifically asked will a UAE Mirage go to Indonesia against the Aussies ---after all Indonesia is also a OIC country rite ?
What a ridiculous question. Did India know that Jordanian aircraft would join the PAF before the war began? Of course not. So when Indonesia does go to war with Australia in your make believe world, I guess we'll see which muslim countries send aid to Indonesia.
Are we getting into the realm of conspiracy theories ?
Not from this end, but if you dig them, go ahead and indulge yourself.
You mustnt be serious giving some anonymous blog having some CAD pictures as a source.Or were you serious ?
Google is your friend. There are numerous other links also. Now seriously Karthik, is this the depth to which you'll reduce yourself? What exactly is your point here? That Indonesia is not building carriers? Or that you are too lazy to look stuff up for yourself? Go read the Indonesian Navy article on Wikipedia, it has a reference to this as well. Search in general on Google and you will find other references too. I chose that one because it had a picture.
Let them build first --- if ever they are building one,which I strongly suspect.
WTF --- Can an MESMA whatever stay underneath water for months together ?? Can It launch Nuke missiles for over 3000 km ?
Nuclear propulsion has nothing to do with the range of the missiles a sub launches. PLEASE. Get a grip.
And as for staying underwater for months, AIP allows the sub to stay underwater for at least a month.
Pentagon: New Class Of Silent Submarines Poses Threat
POSTED: 6:54 pm PDT October 19, 2006
UPDATED: 6:15 am PDT October 20, 2006
[NEWSVINE: Pentagon: New Class Of Silent Submarines Pose threat.
SAN DIEGO, Calif. -- The Pentagon said it believes the greatest undersea threat facing the U.S. Navy since the end of the Cold War has arrived.
The threat involves a new a new class of silent submarines -- subs that the U.S. Navy is having trouble finding under water. In this exclusive investigation, NBC4's Chuck Henry looked into one of those submarines in San Diego.
Following is a verbatim script from the on-air report.
[..]
HENRY: Not only can the sub stay submerged for up to a month, the AIP technology also makes it quieter than other subs, and almost impossible to pick up on sonar.
http://thisbluemarble.com/archive/index.php/t-1326.html
And like I said earlier, your sub is what you have to show for yourself? Wow.
Its completely arbitrary to only those who dont want to see the reality --- G4 is the defacto group of candidates to be made the Permamnet members.?
Show me the framework by which this "defacto" group is going to become permanent. Please. By all means, see if you can find a concrete framework from the UN website. Because if there isn't even a framework, then G4 is meaningless.
Quick trivia - Did Obama or French Prez or UK PM or Russian Prez ever say anything about OIC membership -- they have said plenty about India.
Quick trivia. Did Obama or the French President or the UK PM or the Russian President say anything *tangible* about how India would make it to the Security Council? Did they say anything at all about the framework? Did they say anything at all about which other candidates would be joining India?
And here's some more quick trivia: which US allies immediately protested Obama's India UNSC comments?
Bridge too far my friend. Tell me more about it when it happens. Let's not discuss what is at the moment fiction and is not even on the horizon.
One toothless org (Arab League) supporting another (OIC) is rather a big joke.
This is great. Let the anti-muslim hatred flow... more abuse!
But you didn't stop to consider that the biggest toothless joke is the country that keeps asking the OIC to grant it observer status and the "toothless" OIC keeps shunning it. And then the same country keeps saying "don't mention Kashmir" and the "toothless" OIC keeps condemning this toothless joke of a country over and over and over again.
Think before you speak. If the OIC and Arab League are toothless jokes, what is the country that keeps wanting to make nice with them and gets pushed away each time.
Ahhh same argument that was peddled out before the NSG approval for India ---I am liking it.
The NSG approval that resulted in Pakistan getting access to 1GWh Chinese nuclear plants, additional reactors, tech transfer and soft loans to build all the above with no NSG oversight? Oh ok.
No --- Iran has reportedly clarified that it never questioned India's sovereignity over Kashmir (The thread too was there) and reports of Khameinei saying something was attributed to transalation error from Farsi to English.
Hehehe. Yes, yes. I am sure it was a Farsi to English translation error
The Indian Foreign Office must not have any Farsi speakers then, because they issued a demarche.
And as far as india's membership is concerned the BJP will eat Congress alive and Congress too can kiss its power goodbye if it makes any moves to get into OIC --- So dont worry we are not interested. We have bigger fish (UNSC) to fry
That's just friggin' hilarious. Let's see. What should I believe? Karthik on the internet or India's diplomatic actions over the past few decades? India's requests to the OIC to allow it to join first as a member, and when that was thrown out as a possibility, at least as an observer. Hmm. I think I'll go with decades of Indian diplomacy on the ground and ignore this macho "bigger fish to fry" rhetoric.
Again --- I think you missed these parts:
number of nuke plants in India vs OIC
Don't quite get this frankly. Aren't you interested in how much electricity the OIC produces on the whole, as compared to India? Because the only other purpose of nuclear plants is to produce nuclear weapons, and according to numerous reports, Pakistan alone has more nuclear weapons than India, so no point even bringing other into it.
number of space launches,satellites launched by India vs that of OIC (if there is any)
Indonesian rockets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Aeronautics_and_Space
Pakistan SUPARCO (4 sats including 1 spy sat deployed, 1 going up)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_and_Upper_Atmosphere_Research_Commission
Iranian Simorgh SLV (Rocket) and satellites (constructed as well as ~ 14 under construction)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Space_Agency#Satellites_2
Malaysia Space Agency - Muslims in space project with Russian collaboration and satellites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_National_Space_Agency#Angkasawan_program
Turkish civilian and mil sat projects
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/774/1
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/n...estic-satellite-to-be-launched-next-year.html
GOKTURK satellite system
http://gaza-space.blogspot.com/2009/11/electro-optical-eo-reconnaissance-and.html
Frankly, you are welcome to do the rest of the research yourself. There's a lot of information on the 'net.
number of wars won by India vs number won by OIC
Hehe
I'm not getting into this one only to rehash 500 threads on '48 and '65 here. But I think you are quite unaware of the history of OIC countries. For example, do you know that almost the entire Maghreb won independence based on armed struggle against France and Italy? Every heard of Omar Mukhtar? Have you heard about how Turkey kicked the British out and defeated them?
number of engineers produced in India vs OIC
number of colleges in India vs OIC
Medical tourism in India vs OIC
I don't have the numbers of engineers produced in India vs. OIC but I know that a ton of Indians go to find work in OIC countries and hardly any OIC nationals come to India to work.
As for number of colleges, I looked and I cannot find the numbers. I do know that literacy in India is in the 65% range, whereas in countries like Turkey (87.4%), Iran (77%), Indonesia (89.5%), Malaysia (88.7%), Saudi Arabia (85%), Egypt (71.4%) etc. it is quite a bit higher.
Medical Tourism? If you can find hard data for how many people go to Iranian, Pakistani, Turkish, UAE, Malaysian, Indonesian hospitals etc. please let me know. Just for Turkey alone, this is a very fast growing business. 2012 number is in excess of $1B, going up to $8B by 2015. The number for India today is $2.2B by 2012.
http://www.prlog.org/11018482-turkey-medical-tourism-the-new-guy-on-the-block.html
If you look at other medical destinations, for example, Malaysia is listed as one of the hottest places in Asia for medical tourism. They are currently at somewhere between $100-200M.
And then of course, there's the UAE. The UAE alone is bringing in more than $1.6B in medical tourism just for this year (2010)
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZ...ted to bring in AED6.1 billion by end of 2010
So I think all things considered, just with a few OIC countries the Indian medical tourism revenue is matched or exceeded. Like I said, if I had figures for all of them, I would share, but it appears quite unnecessary with just the few numbers cited above.
