India hesitant over China, but not hostile despite US influence

[Abhishek_]

Actually some part of kashmir is with China (next door )too

i'm curious what the chinese provide when people ask for states as dowry? must ask the tibetans.

 

[karan.1970]

This thread is about India, China and US. When did Pakistan came?

China aur Pakistan mein no difference.. Higher than mountains and deeper than sea

 

[Ticker]

Arrey, you only talking about nation breaking up, terrorism etc.. Only one country in the region comes to mind with those attributes

Yes I know you mean India.

Thanks.

 

[karan.1970]

Yes I know you mean India.

Thanks.

Only if it was called East Bengal instead of East Pakistan in 1971

 

[Ticker]

Only if it was called East Bengal instead of East Pakistan in 1971

Please ask Bangladesh, as it is now called. And we respect that.

 

[indian_jigar]

Only if it was called East Bengal instead of East Pakistan in 1971

West Bangladeshi broke off from Bangladesh and created a country called Pakistan. Would have been a funny twist of events

 

[Raje amar]

A good THREAD going down the drain because of the TROLLING of few Pakistanis............

want to bring back all of you to the topic.

Two of China's three large neighbors, Japan and Russia, have determined their policies toward China for the near future. Japan, emboldened by the US pivot to the Pacific, is adopting a hostile attitude. Russia, antagonized by US attempts to weaken it, has increased coordination with China. But India's policy toward China is still developing.

Many in the US, and some in India, are attempting to create an "anti-China" US-India strategic alliance. A recent article in the leading Indian newspaper The Hindu by US and Indian based analysts Seema Sirohi and Samir Saran, accurately identified forces promoting this: "In the US, bipartisan support for India is public and enthusiastic. […] In India, the support is pledged quietly and firmly and repeated through itinerant former foreign secretaries and retired generals […] perhaps the most interesting development is the real entry of the US Defense Department to try to 'own and guide' the India relationship."

An all-out India-China war is highly unlikely even if both sides necessarily have to draw up contingency plans for it. Given China's economy is three times larger than India's, the latter's military can easily calculate it would lose such a war fought with conventional weapons.

Therefore to discharge their duty to protect the nation, India's military certainly considers it has to prepare for an extreme scenario by reliance on nuclear weapons and good relations with the US.

But precisely because the possibility of such a war is remote, it does not play a determining political role in India. And neither it nor China has any interest in provoking border disputes.

One of India's leading strategic analysts, Mohan Guruswamy, author of Chasing the Dragon: Will India Catchup with China?, accurately summarized the situation. "After 45 years of not shooting at each other, and not even confronting each other by being at the same contested space at the same time, local commanders have evolved a pattern of ritualistic behavior and local bonhomie."

Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie's visit to India in September was considered a success by both sides. Strikingly India decided to buy its new generation of fighter aircraft from France, not the US.

In contrast to the desires of those promoting an "anti-China" alliance, India's internal politics have been determined by how to achieve economic development, not by remote possibilities of military conflicts with China.

In the economic field, India's business leaders, politicians and population have a strong interest in cooperation with China and have been prepared to overrule anti-China pressures within parts of India's security establishment.

Initially a trailblazing role was played by individual Indian business leaders such as Anil Ambani, one of two brothers in India's richest family. In October 2010, Ambani's Reliance Power ordered $10 billion of equipment from Shanghai Electric Group. In January 2012, a Chinese bank consortium loaned Ambani's telecommunications company $1.2 billion.

India's business leadership also directly faced down significant pressures from parts of India's security establishment.

In 2005, Chinese firm Huawei was blocked from supplying equipment to India's BSNL mobile phone service. In early 2010, the Indian Central Bureau of Investigation insisted on canceling remaining parts of this contract, and pressure was put on India's telecoms companies not to buy Chinese equipment.

This was opposed by India's leading telecom providers, which had made financial calculations based on purchases from Huawei and ZTE. Tata, India's most important industrial grouping, proceeded to buy Huawei's equipment.

The establishment of the India-China Strategic Economic Dialogue, which first met in September 2011, broadened such economic contacts. Such positions are naturally not pro-China but pro-Indian. But to pursue India's own interests they reject subordination to anti-China alliances.

Some in China argue it faces a "C shaped" encirclement, with only Russia not against China. This is an error. Japan's leaders are subordinate to the US. India's leaders conceive themselves as leaders of a great and independent country. It would be a serious mistake not to understand the difference.
India hesitant over China, but not hostile despite US influence - Globaltimes.cn

@ TOPIC.....

Indian Forgin policy has always been indipendant. I dont see Indian or GOI provocaking China under any circumstances.

boath India & China must concentrate on the economic development & peaceful relations of the neighbours. I can definately garanty that India will not follow any provocation by the US.

 

[Ticker]

Actually some part of kashmir is with China (next door )too

I agree. We should include China also in future Kashmir talks. It should be tr-lateral talks between India-Pakistan and China.

 

[Lavosh1]

This is a common Indian answer - we have a Sikh PM, a Muslim Vice President, a Sikh Army Chief, a Christian defence minister and whatever else.

And I have many Muslim friends and Christian friends and Pakistani friends and Bangladeshi friends.

Tell me, has this changed your religiously bigoted approach.

Because it's need lot of courage , In your country even it's hard to survive for non-Muslims and it's impossible for you to accept Hindu/s/c/ etc. for such position. we shown many times this courage , we took many times first step for peace but don't want it. .....so at last we also have some limitations..

Don't you remember it's "your official government law" No non-muslim can marry Muslim girl without converting

 

[karan.1970]

I agree. We should include China also in future Kashmir talks. It should be tr-lateral talks between India-Pakistan and China.

I remember the time when Pakistan used to cry for America to be included in Kashmir talks. That was before Clinton told Nawaz Sharif to shove it up during Kargil .

 

[ajtr]

Hmmm. don't be so innocent , Your Prophet started Jihad Against kafirs. Even Rape of Kafirs allowed according to islam . either convert them , kill them or apply Religious tax. This is what mean by kafir ok......so don't pretend now.

Even Ram and Krishna said destroy /kill anyone who is against dharma...even Ram killed a female demon tadaka just coz she was against dharma.how about krishna killing female demon pootana.

perhaps one should stay silent?

Perhaps i should speak my minds.thats what i do.

 

[karan.1970]

Even Ram and Krishna said destroy /kill anyone who is against dharma...even Ram killed a female demon tadaka just coz she was against dharma.

Dharma is not equal to Hinduism.. Ram and Krishna said destroy anyone who is against goodness.. Whereas in Islam the killing was against anyone who did not accept a particular religion.. Tons of difference.. But I guess you already know that..

 

[ajtr]

yes we saw how well that Muslim unity works in 71

40 yrs has past since then.1979 was betrayal india made use of internal strife.and when pakistan does same you cry foul like a child.

 

[Ticker]

Even Ram and Krishna said destroy /kill anyone who is against dharma...even Ram killed a female demon tadaka just coz she was against dharma.how about krishna killing female demon pootana.

Perhaps i should speak my minds.thats what i do.

Hey please don't reply to this person. He has crossed all the lines of decency and does not deserve a reply.

 

[Abhishek_]

Perhaps i should speak my minds.thats what i do.

no issues there, although others have the same right.