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India for stronger military ties with ISRAEL

What issue you want me to enlighten you??? We are talking about India israel relation...if you want to talk about something else feel free to open a new thread and i would be more than happy to share my thoughts on it...Why to derail this thread with anything else...Make sense???


decki, do not start pissing off. The point is that which government (of india) is not sincere with its own nation, how it could be considered as responsible enought to risk the world's security by providing it sophisticated weapon systems and nukes. Bear in mind that 99.99% of use of indian military is against its own population. Right from its creation till now. Brahmin issue is very critical and it should be addressed properly before giving india anything ranging from a DANDA to a nuke.

So please enlighten me on how can we address the brahmin issues? How can we overcome the radical and terrorists hindu organisations like RSS, VHP etc? Thanks.
 
Calling me troll without reading my answer to the questions put up by u, it should be reported to MOD that u start a point and when someone answer u call trolling.


Man i have nothing against you.. I would request you to kindly report my post to MODs...May be they can explain to me where i am wrong(i am always open for feedback and improvement)...May be i actually do what you are suggesting...However can you(just for my benefit) point one incident where i asked you a questions and when you replied to it I called you a troll???


Now let me explain why i called you a troll in last post...

This is what i said in one of the previous post

The reasons why you see so many defence deals is because

- After Kargil India learnt a valuable lesson the hard way that even though you are a nuclear weapon that does not mean you can ignore the conventional weaponary
- Our economy is doing great and thus releasing few billions is not going to strain exchequer much...

see directly related to topic of why we are going for big bang defence deals with Israel and others and you replied

Dude.Kargil is a disputed territory, and Pakistan has the right to support its people and land till it is free from Indian oppression, 80.000 innocnet people have been killed so far and an army of 500.000 soldiers is placed in a small entity of Kashmir. Why don't u guys do the right thing and let the kashmiris deicide about their land once for all.


Now please tell me how are two things connected??? Did i even question why Kargil happened or why pakistan supported it or why innocent people being killed..etc etc...I am telling you why we are going for big bang defence deals and you are telling me about Kashmir issue....Now if this is not trolling then what is???


U r so me me me guy.

u can talk about Kargil , and about othet matters not pertaining to the post, but when someone answers u call him a troll.

U must follow what u insist on other to follow.

Well i think i am following what i am insisting...Point me to one post where you think i digress...As kar as Kargil is concerned it is plain English should not be too hard to understand what i mean and how it is related to current topic..though i have explained again yet i am little skeptical because my impression about your way of posting is, somehow point finger...
 
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india is more prone to jewish zionists now...doesnt india have neutral stance???

Prone ??? In what way??

Our stance is very simple..We see Israeli- Palestine problem as Israel-palestine not as Jew-Muslim problem...We also believe that there is a middle ground ..there cant be extreme views..both have to right to exist..Now how do they solve it??thats for them to decide...we wont interfere

India's ideological stand is pro-palestine

Personally,Ideologically india always supported PLO, i feel that after Hamas came to power,the relations kind of went cold..India consider armed struggle is not right choice...
 
decki, do not start pissing off. The point is that which government (of india) is not sincere with its own nation, how it could be considered as responsible enought to risk the world's security by providing it sophisticated weapon systems and nukes. Bear in mind that 99.99% of use of indian military is against its own population. Right from its creation till now. Brahmin issue is very critical and it should be addressed properly before giving india anything ranging from a DANDA to a nuke.

So please enlighten me on how can we address the brahmin issues? How can we overcome the radical and terrorists hindu organisations like RSS, VHP etc? Thanks.


I am pissing you off or you have lost your mind????

Bear in mind that 99.99% of use of indian military is against its own population

I must be in that .01% lucky people because so far no military personnel have kicked my ***...

@Suggestion


If you want to ensure a long stay in this forum i will advice you to read forum rules once again...Mods here follow the rules and not nationality...So being a pakistani won't spare you from being banned or warned if you continue this crazy attitude...


So please enlighten me on how can we address the brahmin issues? How can we overcome the radical and terrorists hindu organisations like RSS, VHP etc? Thanks.

Let me suggest again...Open a new thread for this specific issue and we can discuss...I will try to remove your doubts(trying to be humble and not calling it rant)...Here we are talking about Israel and India...GOT IT
 
Not only Muslims and Sikhs but all every "Other than brahmin" are the victims of the brahmins in India. The cases of Muslims and Sikhs are somehow known to the rest of the world. While what is happening with Cristians in the hands of Brahmins is a NEW SHOCKING STORY for the Christian West. And I bet you, these color changers, the brahmins will find them no where in world's history. Allama Iqbal rightly wanred them:
Na Samjho ge to Mit jao ge ae hindustan walo
Tumhari dastaan tuk na ho gi dastano me

Mulnivasis, the ACTUAL INHABITANTS of the this part of the world are the biggest sufferers and victims of brahminc attocities. Unlike we Muslims, they are facing these INTRUDERS from more than 3000 years.

Minority Issues in India


Sorry for going off topic but let me enlighten you on the happening with Christians in the hands of Brahmins is a NEW SHOCKING STORY for the Christian West...Do you know that religious preaching is become a big business in India mainly among the Christian communities..Some guys who preach about the Christianity owns Jets..Where do you think they got all these moneys??

You know we Christians are roughly 3 crore people here and in this crore there are about 20-25 divisions..This includes Hard core Christian organizations like Born again , The Pentecost Mission etc etc..which thinks only Christianity is the only real religion and other religions are fake ...

Well most of these organizations have strong foundations in western countries and in order to milk them for more money..These guys are telling stories about 34000 Christian people where massacred by Hindu Brahmans and stuffs like that..All the money collected by these people are going to their bank accounts ..

All these organizations are trying to recruit people from other religions and Christian organizations not only by preaching but offering them Visa to USA and other countries or Indian Bride from their community who is working abroad...These kind of people for there self growth thrashing my countries imaged infront of every body..As some of the guys here know I am a Christian and I also got these kind of offers..I am not saying that all the christian organizations are doing these kind of works but some organizations work cause problems to all Christians

Yes there are some incidents about attacks on Indians in Orissa and other places but people tend to have a close eye towards the functions of Christian organizations in these places..They try to convert poor villagers to their religion by offering them food and clothing ..and also try to degrade other religion,..There are hard core people in other religions too and they wont take it lightly when some body insults their religion.Most of the attacks are happening like that..

Media persons and politicians keep a close eye on it because they are afraid that they will be labeled as anti minority..In Short all the news coming in western media about Christian Massacre may not be right...I am living in a community where Christians and Hindus live and i find them very friendly and they also celebrate every festival we celebrate..and also I do feel that Brahmins are the most oppressed society in India and I feel so sorry for them when all are blaming them


Sorry again for going off topic:
 
Arabs are purchasing their defense hardware from US and it is well known that US has closer ties with Israel than India have. In 80s and 90s political scenarios were completely different.

In 80s and 90s, US was funding Pakistan to help terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But today, you are getting US funds to destroy them.

Anyways, if they went hiding, they were not transferring nuke tech

and now india is doing same by suporting TTP.....
what makes you different???

India supporting TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan) :rofl: :blah: :blah:

at least Pakistan chose side from start what about india???

Yes omar, we all know that you are at TERRORISTS' side from the beginning. But from 80s till 9/11 you were at the center stage by supporting them.

after 9/11 you tried to show that you are against them. though you were trying to be neutral, till TTP start kicking your *$$.

Then after getting funds from uncle SAM you started operation RAH-E-NIZAT.

I seriously feel that TTP, Taliban and all other extremists should be defeated by your ARMY and both the countries should leave in peace and harmony.:victory:

Peace and Harmony is the easiest way to develop both countries and to raise the standard of leaving in both countries :angel:
 
Seiko, I agree with you on 90% contents of your posts, but your remarks about brahmins are far from reality.

Sorry for going off topic but let me enlighten you on the happening with Christians in the hands of Brahmins is a NEW SHOCKING STORY for the Christian West...Do you know that religious preaching is become a big business in India mainly among the Christian communities..Some guys who preach about the Christianity owns Jets..Where do you think they got all these moneys??

You know we Christians are roughly 3 crore people here and in this crore there are about 20-25 divisions..This includes Hard core Christian organizations like Born again , The Pentecost Mission etc etc..which thinks only Christianity is the only real religion and other religions are fake ...

Well most of these organizations have strong foundations in western countries and in order to milk them for more money..These guys are telling stories about 34000 Christian people where massacred by Hindu Brahmans and stuffs like that..All the money collected by these people are going to their bank accounts ..

All these organizations are trying to recruit people from other religions and Christian organizations not only by preaching but offering them Visa to USA and other countries or Indian Bride from their community who is working abroad...These kind of people for there self growth thrashing my countries imaged infront of every body..As some of the guys here know I am a Christian and I also got these kind of offers..I am not saying that all the christian organizations are doing these kind of works but some organizations work cause problems to all Christians

Yes, it is true and your questions are valid that such culprits in society are doing all this for money. We do not deny that. We all know how some of the such [christian] organisations work. They get funds from western countries, they offer converters bride settledin foreign countries, they offer visa of USA, UK etc. This is also undenaible. In Pakistan, the situation is same, but not as worse as in India, Where majority of indians living in non-human environment. Poors especially in rural areas are more volunerable to these culprits and they use every mean to convert the poor indians of any religion into to Christianity. And yes, they are heavily funded by the unvisible hands from the countries like USA, UK, Australia etc.

But this all does not provide any logical grounds to the other party to forcably reconvert the converters. Tell me why these converting to Christianity? Because most of them are offered financial help, such as money, visa etc? Isn't it? And why they need these things, because these things are their needs which the government of India is responsible to provide them, ie good living environment, peaceful political and economical environment etc. Is gov. of India providing all this to them? My answer is BIG FAT NO. While India has hundreds of dollars in foreign reserves, doing hundreds of billions of dollars foreign business. I am unable to understand why the conditions of poor Indians are not improving. While India also enjoys the world's largest number of rich people, why this wealth is flowing back to the western countries?

So the first fault is of the Gov. of India. And secondly, IT IS FANDAMANTALISTS AND RADICAL BRAHMINS ORGANISATIONS, such as VHP, RSS etc, who are secondarily responsible for all this. They kill people, they burn them in fire, they force them to convert to Brahminsism, they loot their wealth and snatch oppertunities of progress. They are armed with all weapons of their choice, have support from radicals in Indian government and military and also from the Illegal State of Israel AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, they are all BRAHMINS. Tell me if I am wrong. By uploading few fake movies in you tube, they can't claim that they are opressed. Or tell me how many of the indian civil servants are non-brahmins, how many of their PMs are non-brahmins? What is the contribution of the Christians or Muslims or Sikhs in Indian military? Please share if you have any of the above stats.

Yes there are some incidents about attacks on Indians in Orissa and other places but people tend to have a close eye towards the functions of Christian organizations in these places..They try to convert poor villagers to their religion by offering them food and clothing ..and also try to degrade other religion,..There are hard core people in other religions too and they wont take it lightly when some body insults their religion.Most of the attacks are happening like that..

Well, don't change the word Christian with the word Indians, as this change the meaning. Ofcourse we are talking about Indians, so need to mention that.

In such incidents, you mentioned above, can you give any such break up of the deads. That how many of them were Christians, how many of them were mulnivasis and how many of them were Brahmins?

Media persons and politicians keep a close eye on it because they are afraid that they will be labeled as anti minority..In Short all the news coming in western media about Christian Massacre may not be right...I am living in a community where Christians and Hindus live and i find them very friendly and they also celebrate every festival we celebrate..and also I do feel that Brahmins are the most oppressed society in India and I feel so sorry for them when all are blaming them
And, for your kind information, we Pakistani atleast DO NOT rely on western media and their untrustable news and stories. Interestingly, in this case, all information we have is from India's own media.

If your defination of opressed class is the radicalisation and fundamantalism, then yes Brahmins are oppressed, but I do not subscribe to any such defination. Or you may like to tell us that those who killed Christians and Muslims and Sikhs in different massacares in India, were not Brahmins.
 
They kill people, they burn them in fire, they force them to convert to Brahminsism, they loot their wealth and snatch oppertunities of progress. They are armed with all weapons of their choice, have support from radicals in Indian government and military and also from the Illegal State of Israel AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, they are all BRAHMINS. Tell me if I am wrong. By uploading few fake movies in you tube, they can't claim that they are opressed. Or tell me how many of the indian civil servants are non-brahmins, how many of their PMs are non-brahmins? What is the contribution of the Christians or Muslims or Sikhs in Indian military? Please share if you have any of the above stats.
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Joke of the Year !!!!!!!!!----Convert to Brahminism....

Iam litterally :hitwall:

Mate,U literally shot urself in the foot.....Now let me pick some holes in ur post..

HOLE 1:
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they force them to convert to Brahminsism,
Brahmins are not some other religion..its a caste...SO HOW DO YOU CONVERT TO SOME CASTE ????????:cheesy:
Its like a shia converting to sunni.....:rofl:
Can u do tat mate???

HOLE 2:
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ever heard of A.P.J Abdul kalam,India Best president....Who was he??
a Brahmin???

Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed ---President of India
Zakir Hussain---President of India
Muhammad Hidayatullah ---President of India
Giani Zail Singh----President of India
Manmohan Singh --- Prime Minister
Sonia Gandhi --- Congress President (Real Power centre of UPA)

Mohd.Azaruddin ---Captain of cricket team...

.Man u must know something.....May be they were all brahmins in disguise of muslims,sikhs,christians.....

Ever watched seen the famous pic of ur general Niazi signing the surrender agreement in 1971...who was the Indian officer ???

Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora....May be he was brahmin...:hitwall::hitwall:

U r asking of how many other religions ppl are in army...


Ever heard of Manekshaw....????
General Sunith Francis Rodrigues,General Joginder Jaswant Singh
?????

They were all Army chiefs of Indian Army..the most powerfull posts in Indian Armed forces...

AND THEY WERE NOT BRAHMINS,NOT EVEN HINDUS...

So now let me ask u..how mant non-muslims r tere in Pakistan army??
Can u give me a number..U cant..m not expecting any..

And coming to India-Israel relations...our relations are not defined by pakistan factor or muslim factor or china factor or BRAHMIN FACTOR ....:cheers:
 
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Guys i just don't understand why the heck you guys are talking about Brahmins and their role on a thread where we are discussing India-Israel defence relations...
 
I myself am a born Brahmin, but I fail to follow the tenets. I have studied Hinduism and History of India, and yet I fail to comprehend the meaning of 'Brahminism', the term extensively used in this thread. If any of you above could enlighten me on this, I will be very grateful.
 
Just consider this

Israel is Brahmin

India is Shudra
:smitten:

you will understand..

No offence...


:pakistan:
 
Just consider this

Israel is Brahmin

India is Shudra
:smitten:

you will understand..

No offence...


:pakistan:

Sorry mate, but can't make anything out of it. It seems you need to be enlightened on this issue more than I do.

No 'offence' taken.
 
Okay mate
I am also waiting to get enlighten
We are in the same boat as you said
:cheers:


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India has chosen to be on India's side all along.
India will always take care of its national interest, and will choose partners based upon its long term and short term goals.

what long and short term goal ....indian do not expect Pakistan existence from start and their goal is destroy Pakistan.
same US who gave weapons to Pakistan in 1965 war now look what india come to for destroying Pakistan.
Who Dare.
:pakistan:
 
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