man i have got a chance to discuss with you couple of times...My impression about you is that you are comparatively a reasonable person...
Thanks. You too.
I am an Indian and shared my view point with you...I don't think that whatever is happening in Palestine is anywhere close to holocaust...Please share with me your thoughts about why you think otherwise...
It's not just me, it's Israeli lawmakers themselves, including one guy who said the image of an old Palestinian woman in front of her bulldozed house reminded him of his own grandmother during the Nazi terror.
There were images of Israelis tattooing serial numbers on Palestinain prisoners, reminiscent of what the Nazis did to the Jews.
The comparison is based more on justification and ideology. The Zionists make a clear distinction between themselves
as a people, and the Palestinians. They are convinced they are entitled to special rights simply because they are Jewish, thereby implying that the Palestinians are inferior in an absolute sense. This ideological justification for their actions is exactly what the Nazis preached.
I agree it is not as bad as the Holocaust, but that is exactly the excuse the Israelis use to justify their actions. I can't find the quote but even one ex-Prime Minster complained of some Israelis' tendency to be so dismissive of any criticism.
The way you have suggested is that all countries that deal with Israel including some islamic countries are immoral...
Almost all (all?) the Muslim countries who are friendly to Israel are dictatorships where the government does not represent the will of the people. The only exception would be Turkey and I don't know how much of their friendship is based on appeasing the EU and the US.
As far as i know Pak have good relations(atleast on Paper) with US who supports Israel like anything...With that where do you see Pakistan going???
Every country has to be more or less friendly to the US, given the reality. Doesn't mean we have to like everything the US does.
...Also just because your country don't have good relations with Israel you cannot bring in morality here
I do believe one of the main reasons Pakistan has resisted recognizing Israel is because of morality. As you indicated, there is a lot of benefit to be derived from Israel, but we have stood firm as a matter of principle.
Because the way Pakistan's and india's help to Palestine is not going for support of Hamas and thereby killings of Isaeli's including children this money is also not going for that purpose...
There is a world of difference between giving money to charity and actively developing weapons of war for one side. I could consider India's position if it was engaged in civilian trade and educational/scientific cooperation, but India's engagement with Israel is specifically focussed on military matters.
Even though Israel from sheer benefits perspective is far more better friend than Palestine yet New Delhi choose to oppose them in an international arena...
Pfft. Inconsequential, meaningless diplomatic slap on the wrist.
India threw a bone to the Palestinians and made a calculated public relations ploy for their Arab customers. India has trade with the rest of the Middle East, too, and needs to keep the Arab masses happy.
Both Israel and Palestine people think New Delhi as their friend but my pakistani friends see it different way...Are you saying people of Israel and Palestine are stupid??? After all relationship with Israel is an open one...its not something happening through back channels...
The Israelis are smart. They know exactly the game that India is playing; how it needs to keep the Arabs placated while engaging with Israel.
The Palestinians are also smart but far more desperate. They have few friends, least of all in the Arab governments, most of whom are two-faced, self-serving dictatorships. Saudi Arabia would gladly give flyover rights to Israel to go bomb Iran. Egypt already helped Israeli dolphins cross the Suez canal as a show of force against Iran.
What are you talking about??? It simply suggest you have no idea about Israel military innovations and her capabilities...Even you all weather friend China seek Israel co-operations(US acting as a spoiler)..... I would rate Israel even important than US...Dealing with US can back fire and your air-force have learned it the hard way...
I agree that the Israelis have good technology and are smart innovators. But military innovation needs more than just brains. It needs money, lots of it. That's why the Russians have been desperately looking for partners and are happy to take India on board many of their projects.
Anyways just read this article...
Globalsecurity is a hardcore pro-Israel outfit. They are notoriously anti-Pakistan, but I did read the article nonetheless. They are saying Pakistan approached Israel mostly as a calculated ploy to stem the growth of the India/Israel military alliance. That's is probably true and it clearly didn't work, not that any sane person could possibly have expected it to.