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http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_army-chief-faces-dissent-from-his-commanders_1283555


New Delhi: Army headquarters has become a cold war zone, with army chief General Deepak Kapoor facing serious dissent from some of his key commanders. The bone of contention is General Kapoor's promotion policy which, some believe, will promote sycophancy rather than professionalism. Three senior lieutenant generals, all members of the army promotion boards, have written to the army chief questioning the changes.

At the centre of the heartburn are two moves initiated by army headquarters which will impact the promotion of officers to senior ranks, especially to the ranks of lieutenant general and major general. The first move brings to life a proposal originally mooted by General K Sundarji, when he was army chief in the late 1980s, to split senior officers into two streams: staff and command. The former would be given administrative and staff duties while the latter would be given corps and army commands.

In January this year, the army chief and his eight army commanders, who together make up the promotion board, cleared 15 major generals for promotion to the rank of lieutenant general. The army commanders are the senior-most lieutenant generals who include the vice-chief of the army staff, the heads of the north, east, west, south, southwest and central army commands, and the army training command.

Army headquarters sent the names split into two lists -- 10 for the command stream and the rest for the staff stream -- to the ministry of defence for final clearance. According to a couple of dependable sources, the promotion board had not agreed to split the recommendations into command and staff, and had witnessed "heated arguments" over the proposal. General Kapoor had, at the meeting, apparently agreed to carry out a study on the impact of such a move, according to thesources.

At least three of the army commanders who participated in the promotion board meeting have now opposed in writing the move to split the promotion list into two, sources told DNA.

It is not clear if the army chief has acted on the objections of the generals whose consensus he claimed while forwarding the promotion list to the ministry.

The ministry, civilian sources told DNA, cleared the 15 names after "some amount of haggling" with army headquarters. When the proposal was originally made almost two decades ago, the ministry had objected to it and the idea was shelved, but the file remained "alive", and has now resulted in promotions with two streams - command and staff.

One of the affected officers told DNA that the move was "hurried through on January 9 before the last Republic Day," which resulted in a few surprises in the rank list. If the board had taken into account the Republic Day awards announced a few days later, "some of the generals in the staff stream would have been in the command stream and vice versa," he told DNA.

This is because promotions are based on a merit ranking system that takes into account an armyman's annual confidential report (ACR), which also covers parameters such as courses attended, commands held, and awards received. In fact, 95% of the marks are allotted on these considerations. The remaining 5% was awarded by senior generals on the basis of the reputation of an officer ("spoken reputation").

General Kapoor initiated his second controversial change to change this. He made the assessments automatic with 5% marks being proportional to marks in the ACR. This took away all the discretion left with senior officers to identify promising officers who may otherwise have scored a bit less in their ACRs.

A senior army officer in the headquarters, however, defended General Kapoor's moves, saying the decisions have "actually made the system much more scientific, and it is not left to the discretion of seven or eight army commanders now."

Many army commanders have objected to this saying that giving undue weightage to what is on the ACRs "will breed sycophancy." A senior army officer whom DNA spoke to said that the contributions of army officers who dared to speak up, while remaining within discipline, must be recognised. "And it cannot be left to the ACRs and awards alone. Leadership is more than that, depending much on spoken reputation."

Another officer pointed out that the increasing trend of "begging for awards" and "high marks in ACRs" was taking away the sheen from a "mechanical marking" system. "We cannot create a class of brahmins within our ranks based on good ACRs that are given at the discretion of an officer's immediate senior. It would just boost chamchagiri (sycophancy) in our ranks," he said.

As a result of these ongoing standoffs, all three promotion boards for senior ranks, one for lieutenant general and the other two for major generals, have witnessed arguments this year between the army chief and his senior commanders.



hmmmm....
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I did not understand it......???

:pakistan:
 
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What does above BS has anything to do with the current discussion that we are doing???
 
After kargil u learned a lesson,

Dude.Kargil is a disputed territory, and Pakistan has the right to support its people and land till it is free from Indian oppression, 80.000 innocnet people have been killed so far and an army of 500.000 soldiers is placed in a small entity of Kashmir. Why don't u guys do the right thing and let the kashmiris deicide about their land once for all.


Wow then you complain that i call you TROLL...great there is a common saying ...if you can't convince just confuse...Simply let me know if that is your intention i will stop replying.... We are talknig about Israel and india defence deal...What i told you is that after Kargil GOI realized that one cannot ignore conventional weaponary and its a direct result of that you are hearing so many defence deals...What the heck are you talking about??? Have you got insane???


I do not give a damn if your economy is doing what it is doing, in my opinion your economy uis not so great as u think, read the following dude.

Nuclear India: Powering the Future
Who gives a damn to weather you think our economy is doing good or not...Apart from you the whole world think so...Also atleast give me good article to read..Where does this article says that Indian economy is not doing good??? Now you and I can argue that the benefits still haven't reached lot of people but that's it...If you yourself has read this article(i assume you haven't) then point me to what lines you are referring to..


I showed the related Arms supply to T.T.P by India as a fact since we were talking about India being so great, In this picture i see India not so great.

Show me one line where i said India is great though there is no denying the fact...Yes my country is great in her own way the way yours is...As far as your article is concerned its Bull ****...I have explained earlier why...

Now coming to the point about israel and India,

Thank GOD you have finally choosen to talk about India and Israel....Please do so a little more often...

I put those facts to show u that India on one hand was presenting to Arabs that it does care about human right of Palestinians , on the other hand India was involved secretly with Israel to suport it by buying its weapons, dude.

O bhai mere....that's what i am asking what you mean secretly....We are buying from them openly and that's the reason you know about it...We have formal relations with Israel since 1991(repeating this for the nth time)....LInks i have shared are at max a year or two old....Which means all the ranting you have done has no effect on Palestine People...or Arabs or anyone else...They still consider India as their friend...I know it hurts you but truth cant be changed as per your liking...

I could not be more clear than that. cupish.

Yes you can't...becuase no one apart from you know what the heck are you talking about...Now do me a favor at least tell me what does CUPISH means???
 
After kargil u learned a lesson,

Dude.Kargil is a disputed territory, and Pakistan has the right to support its people and land till it is free from Indian oppression, 80.000 innocnet people have been killed so far and an army of 500.000 soldiers is placed in a small entity of Kashmir. Why don't u guys do the right thing and let the kashmiris deicide about their land once for all.

I do not give a damn if your economy is doing what it is doing, in my opinion your economy uis not so great as u think, read the following dude.

Nuclear India: Powering the Future


I showed the related Arms supply to T.T.P by India as a fact since we were talking about India being so great, In this picture i see India not so great.

Now coming to the point about israel and India, I put those facts to show u that India on one hand was presenting to Arabs that it does care about human right of Palestinians , on the other hand India was involved secretly with Israel to suport it by buying its weapons, dude.

I could not be more clear than that. cupish.

I would like to bring a little more light on the Kashmir issue to tell people how misguided they are when it comes to Kashmir. Actually Kashmir is situated in such a strategic place on earth and btn India and Kashmir that any one who has kashmir rules South east Asia. No one actually cares about the people of kashmir and all the dialogs told by people are rubbish when they say they care about people of kashmir. Read on some good books and figure out the reality. Apart from India, Other people want it more to Rule the South east Asia....And Good India is defending it else India will loose it soverignty like any country will do.
 
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Thanks for the info...However there are dedicated threads on Kashmir in the forum..I would suggest you to post your valuable points there...This thread is about Indian ties with Israel.. Please feel free to add if you have something related to topic...

Regards
Rajwinder Singh
 
Dude.

Brahmins if are so oppressed than how come I have not heard about it, u r the first one to say this,But dude, how come I say something other than the topic, I am scalded but u can say anything and not even a word is uttered, strange.

Tell me about Indian that I do not know already, do u have any thing new to inform me, I am all ears. Dude.

cruelties done by their forefathers can be corrected by simply rewarding those who were oppressed, I do not see this happening in India today, what i see is oppression and cruelty to Muslims, and other low cast Indians.

And oppression in Kashmir.

Not only Muslims and Sikhs but all every "Other than brahmin" are the victims of the brahmins in India. The cases of Muslims and Sikhs are somehow known to the rest of the world. While what is happening with Cristians in the hands of Brahmins is a NEW SHOCKING STORY for the Christian West. And I bet you, these color changers, the brahmins will find them no where in world's history. Allama Iqbal rightly wanred them:
Na Samjho ge to Mit jao ge ae hindustan walo
Tumhari dastaan tuk na ho gi dastano me

Mulnivasis, the ACTUAL INHABITANTS of the this part of the world are the biggest sufferers and victims of brahminc attocities. Unlike we Muslims, they are facing these INTRUDERS from more than 3000 years.

Minority Issues in India
 
Perhaps, you may like to enlighten us on this issue
What issue you want me to enlighten you??? We are talking about India israel relation...if you want to talk about something else feel free to open a new thread and i would be more than happy to share my thoughts on it...Why to derail this thread with anything else...Make sense???
 
what is new before ur chief use to go their by hiding in the era of 80 and 90 know they are going their without hiding becoz at that time they dont want to hurt arabs becoz they scare of getting indian workers *** kicked out of middle east know india have the economy to recover loss of foreign exchange if indian kicked out of middle east

Arabs are purchasing their defense hardware from US and it is well known that US has closer ties with Israel than India have. In 80s and 90s political scenarios were completely different.

In 80s and 90s, US was funding Pakistan to help terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But today, you are getting US funds to destroy them. :azn: :azn:

Anyways, if they went hiding, they were not transferring nuke tech :sick:
 
Arabs are purchasing their defense hardware from US and it is well known that US has closer ties with Israel than India have. In 80s and 90s political scenarios were completely different.

In 80s and 90s, US was funding Pakistan to help terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But today, you are getting US funds to destroy them. :azn: :azn:

Anyways, if they went hiding, they were not transferring nuke tech :sick:

and now india is doing same by suporting TTP.....
what makes you different???
at least Pakistan chose side from start what about india???
 
and now india is doing same by suporting TTP.....
what makes you different???
at least Pakistan chose side from start what about india???

India has chosen to be on India's side all along.
India will always take care of its national interest, and will choose partners based upon its long term and short term goals.
 
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Not only Muslims and Sikhs but all every "Other than brahmin" are the victims of the brahmins in India. The cases of Muslims and Sikhs are somehow known to the rest of the world. While what is happening with Cristians in the hands of Brahmins is a NEW SHOCKING STORY for the Christian West. And I bet you, these color changers, the brahmins will find them no where in world's history. Allama Iqbal rightly wanred them:
Na Samjho ge to Mit jao ge ae hindustan walo
Tumhari dastaan tuk na ho gi dastano me

Mulnivasis, the ACTUAL INHABITANTS of the this part of the world are the biggest sufferers and victims of brahminc attocities. Unlike we Muslims, they are facing these INTRUDERS from more than 3000 years.

Minority Issues in India

You had me laughing so hard. If you don't know.. ask..we can educate you..don't try to troll by claiming to know the unknown:argh:

Pakistani Muslims don't have to face any intruders because they are fighting themselves..what did you do to the poor Bangladeshi Muslims? Your army raped, killed for no reason..most of them were Muslims too...
In all your hate for India, you don't realize you killed Indian muslims
what about all the jehadis who fight for islam and kill other muslims..just see what is happening in your country before making up conspiracy theories.:disagree:
 
Wow then you complain that i call you TROLL...great there is a common saying ...if you can't convince just confuse...Simply let me know if that is your intention i will stop replying.... We are talknig about Israel and india defence deal...What i told you is that after Kargil GOI realized that one cannot ignore conventional weaponary and its a direct result of that you are hearing so many defence deals...What the heck are you talking about??? Have you got insane???



Who gives a damn to weather you think our economy is doing good or not...Apart from you the whole world think so...Also atleast give me good article to read..Where does this article says that Indian economy is not doing good??? Now you and I can argue that the benefits still haven't reached lot of people but that's it...If you yourself has read this article(i assume you haven't) then point me to what lines you are referring to..




Show me one line where i said India is great though there is no denying the fact...Yes my country is great in her own way the way yours is...As far as your article is concerned its Bull ****...I have explained earlier why...



Thank GOD you have finally choosen to talk about India and Israel....Please do so a little more often...



O bhai mere....that's what i am asking what you mean secretly....We are buying from them openly and that's the reason you know about it...We have formal relations with Israel since 1991(repeating this for the nth time)....LInks i have shared are at max a year or two old....Which means all the ranting you have done has no effect on Palestine People...or Arabs or anyone else...They still consider India as their friend...I know it hurts you but truth cant be changed as per your liking...



Yes you can't...becuase no one apart from you know what the heck are you talking about...Now do me a favor at least tell me what does CUPISH means???

Calling me troll without reading my answer to the questions put up by u, it should be reported to MOD that u start a point and when someone answer u call trolling.

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What issue you want me to enlighten you??? We are talking about India israel relation...if you want to talk about something else feel free to open a new thread and i would be more than happy to share my thoughts on it...Why to derail this thread with anything else...Make sense???

U r so me me me guy.

u can talk about Kargil , and about othet matters not pertaining to the post, but when someone answers u call him a troll.

U must follow what u insist on other to follow.
 
Not only Muslims and Sikhs but all every "Other than brahmin" are the victims of the brahmins in India. The cases of Muslims and Sikhs are somehow known to the rest of the world. While what is happening with Cristians in the hands of Brahmins is a NEW SHOCKING STORY for the Christian West. And I bet you, these color changers, the brahmins will find them no where in world's history. Allama Iqbal rightly wanred them:
Na Samjho ge to Mit jao ge ae hindustan walo
Tumhari dastaan tuk na ho gi dastano me

Mulnivasis, the ACTUAL INHABITANTS of the this part of the world are the biggest sufferers and victims of brahminc attocities. Unlike we Muslims, they are facing these INTRUDERS from more than 3000 years.

Minority Issues in India

I dont no wat to answer to such an ignorance..

Brahmin attrocities !!

U must be one hell of story teller....

Brahmins are one of the most poorest communities..and under-represented communities in india's political system.

They dont have reservations...nor do they have any political party craving after their votes..

In fact i being a non-brahmin is in favour of reservation for that community..

P.S : If u hate India,,,fine...But atleast give a reason ..not some BS stories...
 
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