India finalizing plans to order three more Scorpene submarines

[Vyom]

Yes, something on that lines. Or maybe an enlarged version of P-17A but nuclear powered, with VLS, and capability to carry 5-6 helicopters in an enclosed hangar.

Project 18 Indian Navy Naval Design Bureau realized. Missile Cruiser, Conventional, Missiles (Cruise, Anti-ship, S-A, K-15) .

 

[GR!FF!N]

What are we going to place on the LHD's ?? Helis or mixed with F-35?? if just helis then i don't like the idea of letting it go that far to engage in a battle in future

First,India is possibly not going for dedicated LHD but rather LPD.India has hundreds of islands,if not thousands around and to mount any Amphibious Assault,IN is yet under equipped for that.These LPDs will give India capability to launch any Amphib Operations in Brigade size.

And no,India is not going to operate F-35,unless India go for F-35 for Navy.If Juan Carlos,then maybe we can equip it with Mig-29K(doubtful though).These LPDs will Carry nearly/over 1000 soldiers along with Tanks and heavy equipment to distant shores for Amphib Assault.These will also carry heavy/medium helicopters and ASW helicopters as well.Air cover for any such operation will be provided either from shore based airbases or carriers.These LPDs are as capable as Carriers for force projection and area domination,but they need aircrafts cover.But that can be easily addressed.LPDs often form a small "CBG" around it,called "Expeditionary Strike Group".

something like this....

You don't need Fighter Jets to project power every time.even placing a single frigate works like charm for IOR countries,as they don't even have a proper navy to speak of.

 

[ni8mare]

Same design is fine but the tonnage should be Increased to 10k and more heavy firepower is going to give a Paranoia to the enemy

kolkata is quite old design, of 19th century ........need to redesign it for 21th century so just going for larger displacement will be unwise,,,,,,,,,,,,,rather redesign it to have

• Integrated mast to get rid of rear search radar for more space i.e.,VLS
• Have better positioned exhaust tower and improvement over it
• More incorporation of stealthy features
• To have multi-layer AAD from single one now
• Long range weapons i.e., LACM, VLRSAM
• Increase it to 10k tonne

 

[Ankit Kumar]

kolkata is quite old design, of 19th century ........need to redesign it for 21th century so just going for larger displacement will be unwise,,,,,,,,,,,,,rather redesign it to have

• Integrated mast to get rid of rear search radar for more space i.e.,VLS
• Have better positioned exhaust tower and improvement over it
• More incorporation of stealthy features
• To have multi-layer AAD from single one now
• Long range weapons i.e., LACM, VLRSAM
• Increase it to 10k tonne

We need to learn something from China. Untill the heavier version is available we should keep churning out the present design .
Like China is doing with their Type052Ds. They are working on Type055 , but untill it is available they're not sitting, they are producing more Type052Ds.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

N Fleet and 5-6 ACC is a good threshold for IN.
For Cruisers, i think instead of N powered Cruiser, India should buy out the plans for SLAVA class Battle Cruisers from Russia and upgrade them. IF N powered Battle cruiser is really planned then it has to be similar to Kirov.

Personally i feel Slava Class (Moskva) suits us better as there is a massive scope of some design augmentations and changing of more modern armaments. See this below

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We can do few tinkers like
1. Replacing S300P with S400 triumf. Even with S300 the range provides us an awesome coverage -64 such missiles in 8x8 config

2. Replacing P1000 supersonic with at present Brahmos (later needs longer ranged brahmos to have similar range). Also can be checked if Shaurya can have Anti Shipping capabilities. With lower warhead size of 180kg and a range of 1900 kms, if we could design Shaura anti ship variant we are looking at a very high caliber missile. We can also look at subsonic Nirbhay fitted into this role. The advantage of K15 variant if we can develop is range and speed over Nirbhay.
The P1000 missile length is 11m and width of 0.88m . 16 such missiles in 8x2 config is there is Slava.

3. OSA -M SR SAM has space for 20x2- 40 such missiles but specs are length of 9m, width of 2.75 m . Barak 8 length is 4.5m and width of just 0.54 m implying we can fit at least 3-4 barak 8s in place of 1 heavy OSA-M (weight 17 tonnes old technology). This implies we may be able to place approx 120-160 barak 8 SAMs.

1-2 such battle cruiser per CBG and few more for western and eastern command and you have another BMD which is floating and is heavily defending types.

Of course we can do more customizations...
Slava being an old design platform should not be too costly for blue prints and since most of the armaments is almost readily available, we can start building it and make quite a good number in 10-12 years.

 

[ni8mare]

We need to learn something from China. Untill the heavier version is available we should keep churning out the present design .
Like China is doing with their Type052Ds. They are working on Type055 , but untill it is available they're not sitting, they are producing more Type052Ds.

Yes true, but they are building at more speed than india, in case of india we are too slow 11 years for kolkata is too much time where they are doing it in half time ..only now we have found speed with modular construction

So its ok to have something until new design is available ....but incase of india since we are slow it will be now (presently) to go for improved design rather than older one if not it will be waste of money

For more detail....take the present kolkata class the last of P15B will be supplied on 2021-2022 thats 6/7 years away enough time for new design destroyer .......at the end of 2022 we can start building newly design destroyer

If you take P17s then you see how efficiently it is being constructed....
The last ship was inducted on 2013 and at gap of 4 years (where shipyards are upgraded to have moulder construction) they will start P17As ......and the changes are remarkable

• Mast mounted AESA radar in place of rotating radar

• More incorporation of stealthy features like moored deck

• More capable multi-layer AAD , transition from buk to barak 8....... barak 1 to maitri if ready by then

• Long range weapons i.e. LRSAM

of just 0.54 m

its 0.225 m

 

[PARIKRAMA]

its 0.225 m

Then we may look at 200 Barak 8s in this cruiser just needs to see if we can have quad packs and place it over multiple locations.. LOL

 

[Immanuel]

Fantastic news, 12 Nuke subs, 9 Scorpenes, 8 Kilos, 4 LPDs and 5-6 carriers by 2030.

 

[ni8mare]

Then we may look at 200 Barak 8s in this cruiser just needs to see if we can have quad packs and place it over multiple locations.. LOL

Instead of that put 48/64 S400 = 2/3 sqd of aircraft .....will make sure that paks j**k fighter start to fall of from sky

 

[anant_s]

Smart move.
This probably is the best possible method of increasing the submarine fleet using the momentum created by existing scorpene project.
By the time they finish, P75i will be on their way and so will be the future SSN/SSBNs.

 

[Archie]

Cruiser?? Means?? Nuclear powered cruiser?

Most likely the Batch 3 of the Formidable Kolkata class won't be labeled a Destroyer but a Cruiser
With all its armaments fitted, the 7 Kolkata class Destroyers will out punch the British Daring class and will be just below the Aegis class Destroyers fielded by South Korea and Japan

 

[HRK]

Instead of that put 48/64 S400 = 2/3 sqd of aircraft .....will make sure that paks j**k fighter start to fall of from sky

@waz , @Oscar , @Icarus ....

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[Gen Padmanabhan]

Yes, something on that lines. Or maybe an enlarged version of P-17A but nuclear powered, with VLS, and capability to carry 5-6 helicopters in an enclosed hangar.

Nope, otherwise what is the purpose of buying LHD?

The cruiser maybe equipped with the integrated mast, common VLS system for Barak-8 ER & Nirbhay, Integrated command & control system for whole fleet, All electric propulsion, laser based CIWS etc etc.

 

[ni8mare]

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How its abusing ? to whom i have abused ? how its trolling ?....please explain and yeah i am not deleting it

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

About time

also -

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Any news about- Missile boats ?

I hope Navy is looking towards a VLO design- and speed of 40knots-