India-China factor in Asia

[Ticker]

what is ANC?

Anyway, what stops you from thinking that India doesn’t have resources or cannot acquire them in future? We are also a mega country like China with better demographics. We are growing faster. We are the third largest economy on this planet. We have some of the largest natural resources in the world.

Moreover, why do you think China would jeopardize its equation with India? If let us say, China does want to take on India, what makes you think that India would not exploit Chinese adversarial relationship with Japan, Australia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines and US to its advantage.

ANC = Andaman and Nicobar Command.

Whatever you have or you could have or would have becomes immaterial if these can not be translated in to defined goals and strategies. Your defined goals and strategies do not reveal that. If you have these as state secrets then one has to see your capabilities and future acquisitions, and these don't reveal or conform to your viewpoint.

China is already moving in big, in to Indian Ocean through a well articulated strategy through Burma, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. And India is improving its relationship with Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia and US, however India does not seem keen to translate these interactions in to anti-China ventures. And the US is visibly concerned that India is not towing its line in this regard. These are the ground realities.

You can not just wish that when it happens we would do this or that - it has to develop over a period of time and holding some naval exercises with western navies is not as helpful as it is projected to be.

So, what are you seeing in the future.

Your government may extend the lease again after two years.

 

[INDIC]

I love the way you pick the words Ticker, we can, you may.

 

[Jade]

ANC = Andaman and Nicobar Command.

Whatever you have or you could have or would have becomes immaterial if these can not be translated in to defined goals and strategies. Your defined goals and strategies do not reveal that. If you have these as state secrets then one has to see your capabilities and future acquisitions, and these don't reveal or conform to your viewpoint.

China is already moving in big, in to Indian Ocean through a well articulated strategy through Burma, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. And India is improving its relationship with Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia and US, however India does not seem keen to translate these interactions in to anti-China ventures. And the US is visibly concerned that India is not towing its line in this regard. These are the ground realities.

You can not just wish that when it happens we would do this or that - it has to develop over a period of time and holding some naval exercises with western navies is not as helpful as it is projected to be.



Your government may extend the lease again after two years.

How have you concluded that India doesn't have a well articulated strategy?

How have you concluded that China is making big in IOR?

Burma Delivers Its First Rebuff to China
Burma Delivers Its First Rebuff To China

As far as Sri Lanka is concerned, you are reading too much. I already posted what Sri Lankan President thinks of India Sri Lanka relations. They are angry with India about the UN vote, and India is addressing their concern.

And regarding Pakistan, you are true. Pakistan would not loose an opportunity to harm India, but I doubt Chinese would go as far as make China Pakistan relations India centric. At most, they may subtle assist you, but that would never become explicit

 

[INDIC]

How have you concluded that India doesn't have a well articulated strategy?

How have you concluded that China is making big in IOR?

Burma Delivers Its First Rebuff to China
Burma Delivers Its First Rebuff To China

As far as Sri Lanka is concerned, you are reading too much. I already posted what Sri Lankan President thinks of India Sri Lanka relations. They are angry with India about the UN vote, and India is addressing their concern.

And regarding Pakistan, you are true. Pakistan would not loose an opportunity to harm India, but I doubt Chinese would go as far as make China Pakistan relations India centric. At most, they may subtle assist you, but that would never become explicit

Pakistan is no more in position to cause concerns for India except for the Mumbai attacks like incidents.

 

[Ticker]

How have you concluded that India doesn't have a well articulated strategy?

How have you concluded that China is making big in IOR?

Burma Delivers Its First Rebuff to China
Burma Delivers Its First Rebuff To China

As far as Sri Lanka is concerned, you are reading too much. I already posted what Sri Lankan President thinks of India Sri Lanka relations. They are angry with India about the UN vote, and India is addressing their concern.

And regarding Pakistan, you are true. Pakistan would not loose an opportunity to harm India, but I doubt Chinese would go as far as make China Pakistan relations India centric. At most, they may subtle assist you, but that would never become explicit

No no ..... you misunderstood. I didn't comment on the good or bad articulation of your strategy. All I said was that your strategic arc of influence as explained in the official naval strategy ends around Andaman and Nicobar. Unless you add in your strategy to enhance your influence to include South China Sea, your developmental strategy can not be based on needs to conduct operations there.

China is making a good progress in IOR through a well articulated strategy, whereas India's declared strategy does not include exetnding its influence into South China Sea.

Burmese rebuff to a Chinese dam project in Burma has been reconsidered by the Burmese government and I believe it has not been shelved.

The Sri Lankan anger is not primarily based on one negative Indian vote. It has developed over a period of time through coercive Indian attitude. The diplomatic statements notwithstanding, I personally feel that a tipping point has been crossed.

Open or subtle assistance by Pakistan to Sri Lanka - it has developed into a tri-lateral China - Pakistan - Sri Lanka partnership, which obviously doesn't seem pro-India.

Pakistan is no more in position to cause concerns for India except for the Mumbai attacks like incidents.

Then your understanding is limited to shallow waters like @Tshering22.

 

[Jade]

No no ..... you misunderstood. I didn't comment on the good or bad articulation of your strategy. All I said was that your strategic arc of influence as explained in the official naval strategy ends around Andaman and Nicobar. Unless you add in your strategy to enhance your influence to include South China Sea, your developmental strategy can not be based on needs to conduct operations there.

China is making a good progress in IOR through a well articulated strategy, whereas India's declared strategy does not include exetnding its influence into South China Sea.

Burmese rebuff to a Chinese dam project in Burma has been reconsidered by the Burmese government and I believe it has not been shelved.

The Sri Lankan anger is not primarily based on one negative Indian vote. It has developed over a period of time through coercive Indian attitude. The diplomatic statements notwithstanding, I personally feel that a tipping point has been crossed.

Open or subtle assistance by Pakistan to Sri Lanka - it has developed into a tri-lateral China - Pakistan - Sri Lanka partnership, which obviously doesn't seem pro-India.



Then your understanding is limited to shallow waters like @Tshering22.

India has made tremendous progress with Burma. We extended $500 million credit line to Burma. We are building their roads. We are building their port in Sittwe. The relationship between India and Burma were never that good.

India Woos Burma, a Nation No Longer a Pariah | World | TIME.com

As regarding China, it has enough in its hands in South China Sea. At least in immediate future it doesn't have a any IOR strategy.

You are underestimating Indo Sri Lankan relations. Our Southern States have ethnically and cultural tied with Sri Lanka and Blood is thicker than water.

And from where does Pakistan pops-up? Pakistan is a non issue in Indo-Sri Lankan relations

 

[Holmes]

There are still trade imbalances, yet to be resolved.

Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma today said that a joint working group between India and China will be established to foster investment.

He said that India has invited China to establish manufacturing zones.

Sharma said both economies are working to address trade issues.

The Minister has sought greater market access for IT and pharma sectors.
India, China joint working group to be set up - The Hindu Business Line : Mobile Edition

 

[Viet]

Good luck to Japan. However, I wonder if the people of South East Asia have forgotten what the Japanese did to them under occupation and how many will side with a militaristic rejuvenated Japan. The Japanese themselves are very careful in not evoking such a fear amongst the SE Asian nations. Their US written constitution forbids Japan to spend beyond 1% of their GDP on defence, though even 1% of their GDP is quite a big chunk.

Vietnam was devastated by American carpet bombing and use of chemicals like agent orange etc, yet Vietnam is now leaning towards the Americans and wooing Japan because it sees threat from China. One thing you need to remember, you can not lease your defence to others. You should strengthen yourself and should be able to defend yourself through your own efforts.

I wonder if, like India, Vietnam is also not wooing enhanced economic interaction with other countries by raising the Chinese bogey.

The three Indochina wars (France, America and China) completely destroyed vietnamese economy and pushed our people into poverty. But in contrast to other former enemies of Vietnam including Japan, China has still remained as a big threat, and that really matters today.

Japan, France, America and China committed endless human crimes and tragedy to our people. No one in Vietnam forgets this. But we Vietnamese aren´t bound by the past. If France, the U.S. and Japan support us, we appreate their help. We need every support from friends. If you look into the Vietnam war history in the last 2100 years, we were most alone on our feet to face the enemy.

Again, we do not need foreign troops to defence us, what we need, are modern weapons!

 

[INDIC]

Then your understanding is limited to shallow waters like @Tshering22.

You speak same about Arab countries but I have seen clarification from Arabs. Overestimating is your Pakistani habit.

 

[ChinaToday]

The three Indochina wars (France, America and China) completely destroyed vietnamese economy and pushed our people into poverty. But in contrast to other former enemies of Vietnam including Japan, China has still remained as a big threat, and that really matters today.

Japan, France, America and China committed endless human crimes and tragedy to our people. No one in Vietnam forgets this. But we Vietnamese aren´t bound by the past. If France, the U.S. and Japan support us, we appreate their help. We need every support from friends. If you look into the Vietnam war history in the last 2100 years, we were most alone on our feet to face the enemy.

Again, we do not need foreign troops to defence us, what we need, are modern weapons!

i looked into vietnam war history and this is what i saw

vietnam france war

PRC military advisors began assisting the Viet Minh in July 1950.[71] PRC weapons, expertise, and laborers transformed the Viet Minh from a guerrilla force into a regular army.[72] In September 1950, the United States created a Military Assistance and Advisory Group (MAAG) to screen French requests for aid, advise on strategy, and train Vietnamese soldiers.[73] By 1954, the United States had supplied 300,000 small arms and spent US$1 billion in support of the French military effort, shouldering 80 percent of the cost of the war.[74]


Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

vietnam usa war
Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

Support requested and provided

The most immediate need was for anti-aircraft artillery, units to counter the overwhelming American air power over North Vietnam. Ho would request Chinese AAA units during a meeting with Mao in May of 1965 and PLA forces would begin flowing into North Vietnam in July of 1965 to help defend the capital of Hanoi and the transportation network to include railroad lines and bridges.[50] This movement of troops from China was not lost on the U.S. as reported in a Top Secret CIA Special Report which identified seven major PLA units in North Vietnam to include the 67th AAA Division, and an estimated 25,000 to 45,000 Chinese combat troops total. [51] Recent Chinese sources indicate that this PLA AAA Division did indeed operate in the western area of North Vietnam. [52] In addition to AAA forces the PLA also provided missiles, artillery and logistics, railroad, engineer and mine sweeping forces. These forces would not only man AAA sites but would also build and repair Vietnamese infrastructure damaged or destroyed by U.S. airstrikes. [53] Such units would have quite a bit of repair work to do given that there would be more than a million tons of bombs dropped by U.S. aircraft upon North Vietnam from 1965 to 1972. [54] The Second Vietnam War would drag on for years as a sort of operational stalemate existed in the skies over North Vietnam. The U.S. could and did bomb the North at will, but the sheer numbers of Chinese forces, to include a total of 16 AAA divisions serving with a peak strength of 170,000 troops attained in 1967, would ensure that a high price would be paid by U.S. pilots with targets often rapidly rebuilt after destruction. [55] Chinese engineering and logistics units would perform impressive feats of construction throughout their stay in North Vietnam effectively keeping the transportation network functioning.


http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/chinesesupport.asp

If you look into the Vietnam war history in the last 2100 years, we were most alone on our feet to face the enemy. dont embaress every one ere with bs like that will you

 

[Ticker]

India has made tremendous progress with Burma. We extended $500 million credit line to Burma. We are building their roads. We are building their port in Sittwe. The relationship between India and Burma were never that good.

India Woos Burma, a Nation No Longer a Pariah | World | TIME.com

As regarding China, it has enough in its hands in South China Sea. At least in immediate future it doesn't have a any IOR strategy.

You are underestimating Indo Sri Lankan relations. Our Southern States have ethnically and cultural tied with Sri Lanka and Blood is thicker than water.

And from where does Pakistan pops-up? Pakistan is a non issue in Indo-Sri Lankan relations

You just started. Earlier Burma for you was a pariah state. Chinese were in Burma much much before you could realize your follies. And let me correct you - Sittwe port is being built by the Chinese and not India. India may be contracted for constructing some approach roads, just to give them a feeling of being involved.

China's IOR strategy is well underway. It has already built Gawadar in Pakistan, is building Hambantotta and much more in Sril Lanka, is building or upgrading four ports in Burma and Chittagong in Bangladesh, in addition to building a highway connecting Bangladesh and Burma to link Chittagong with China.

Your southern states being Tamil do have ethnic relationship with Sri Lankan Tamils and you have taken undue advantage of this till LTTE was defeated and routed.

Tell me how many Indian states have ethnic Sinhala population.

Pakistan is a regional power and does have interests in and around South Asia.

The three Indochina wars (France, America and China) completely destroyed vietnamese economy and pushed our people into poverty. But in contrast to other former enemies of Vietnam including Japan, China has still remained as a big threat, and that really matters today.

Japan, France, America and China committed endless human crimes and tragedy to our people. No one in Vietnam forgets this. But we Vietnamese aren´t bound by the past. If France, the U.S. and Japan support us, we appreate their help. We need every support from friends. If you look into the Vietnam war history in the last 2100 years, we were most alone on our feet to face the enemy.

Again, we do not need foreign troops to defence us, what we need, are modern weapons!

If you could reconcile with the Japanese, Americans and France - why not China. Why not live in peace with your neighbour as well as you have established peace with others.

That is why I am saying don't play in the hands of one against the other. You'll be the loser. The bigger ones don't get hurt, they just have set backs from which they can recover, it is the smaller ones who suffer.

You speak same about Arab countries but I have seen clarification from Arabs. Overestimating is your Pakistani habit.

At times your answers don't make any sense to me.

 

[Paan Singh]

You just started. Earlier Burma for you was a pariah state. Chinese were in Burma much much before you could realize your follies. And let me correct you - Sittwe port is being built by the Chinese and not India. India may be contracted for constructing some approach roads, just to give them a feeling of being involved.

China's IOR strategy is well underway. It has already built Gawadar in Pakistan, is building Hambantotta and much more in Sril Lanka, is building or upgrading four ports in Burma and Chittagong in Bangladesh, in addition to building a highway connecting Bangladesh and Burma to link Chittagong with China.

Your southern states being Tamil do have ethnic relationship with Sri Lankan Tamils and you have taken undue advantage of this till LTTE was defeated and routed.

Tell me how many Indian states have ethnic Sinhala population.

Pakistan is a regional power and does have interests in and around South Asia.

hahahhaa....Burma is getting neutral now ...small example--- Rohingyas...

if u remember,obama came to india and they delivered msg to burma there that they must control human rights and recent visit of hillary clinton there shows that burm is slowly shifting itself in neutral position...They cant ignore chinese and recent crack down on rohingyas and silence of india and U.S and other western powers shows clearly where the boat is flowing..

FYI,india is going to use burma for connectivity with thailand and sitwe is still used for transporting goods to NE india by passing BD

Again with sri lanka too...India prevented U.S sanctions or lowered down them on lanka...and U.S was even ready to take action on lanka 2-3 yr back but who prevented it? do u think china can do this?

even china cant save paksitan from U.S ..how will thy do it with lanka

keep brain farting sir...

plz post facts n examples...

If you could reconcile with the Japanese, Americans and France - why not China. Why not live in peace with your neighbour as well as you have established peace with others.

That is why I am saying don't play in the hands of one against the other. You'll be the loser. The bigger ones don't get hurt, they just have set backs from which they can recover, it is the smaller ones who suffer.



At times your answers don't make any sense to me.

Dont lecture viets..you are just obeying chinese like usual cheerleader
Did u ever see the chinese claim on viet islands or in SCS..you will laugh

Give up kashmir n siachin coz u cant do shitt against india.. ...

so its easy to give lecture...

and dont compare urself with vietnam...its small n brave country...n hats off to them for their ability...

 

[Viet]

@ChinaToday

Has the Vietnamese government ever denied the help of China during the first two Indochina wars? ever denied that we never received support from the Soviets and other friendly countries such as North Korea?

I am aware of Chinese non-combat troops serving in Vietnam. But I doubt the high numbers you posted that China sent large combat troops to Vietnam. Are there any creditable sources for this? Who is Bob Seals, this author?

The main battle forces were Vietnamese fighting on the battlegrounds.

By the way the second link you post is a dead link! You troll.

 

[INDIC]

You just started. Earlier Burma for you was a pariah state. Chinese were in Burma much much before you could realize your follies. And let me correct you - Sittwe port is being built by the Chinese and not India. India may be contracted for constructing some approach roads, just to give them a feeling of being involved.

Sittwe is built by India. Indians also constructing a road to Thailand. Here goes your claim. Burma is trying to be a regional economic hub instead of taking sides.

 

[Ticker]

hahahhaa....Burma is getting neutral now ...small example--- Rohingyas...

if u remember,obama came to india and they delivered msg to burma there that they must control human rights and recent visit of hillary clinton there shows that burm is slowly shifting itself in neutral position...They cant ignore chinese and recent crack down on rohingyas and silence of india and U.S and other western powers shows clearly where the boat is flowing..

FYI,india is going to use burma for connectivity with thailand and sitwe is still used for transporting goods to NE india by passing BD

Again with sri lanka too...India prevented U.S sanctions or lowered down them on lanka...and U.S was even ready to take action on lanka 2-3 yr back but who prevented it? do u think china can do this?

even china cant save paksitan from U.S ..how will thy do it with lanka

keep brain farting sir...

plz post facts n examples...



Dont lecture viets..you are just obeying chinese like usual cheerleader
Did u ever see the chinese claim on viet islands or in SCS..you will laugh

Give up kashmir n siachin coz u cant do shitt against india.. ...

so its easy to give lecture...

and dont compare urself with vietnam...its small n brave country...n hats off to them for their ability...

Who are Rohingyas.

Burma is turning neutral ...... good for Burma. Whatever is being transported from Sittwe to NE India must be on mules because the roads can hardly take a small truck, what to talk about 40-60ton lorries. And the small check posts on Indian-Burma border are testament to the fact that hardly any worthwhile trade is taking place.

It surprises me that you don't know about your own country.

Pakistan doesn't need Chinese help to defend itself. It is a nuclear power. It needs China as a friend which China is and is abundantly clear to us. Who is your friend in South Asia or around South Asia.

What I discuss with a Vietnamese is not any of your concern or for that matter would be a concern to the Vietnamese. It was and is an intellectual discourse, not a schmuck dialogue that you purport incoherently.

I agree Vietnam is a small and brave country and I was just expressing my viewpoint that they should live in peace and harmony with their neighbours, not like India which talks big but is essentially, Big $hit - no Chief.

Sittwe is built by India. Indians also constructing a road to Thailand. Here goes your claim. Burma is trying to be a regional economic hub instead of taking sides.

bwahhhhahhhhhaaaa ........

Just as big chunk of America can be Indian because the word Indian is common with Red Indians.