India-China factor in Asia

[Viet]

If you could reconcile with the Japanese, Americans and France - why not China. Why not live in peace with your neighbour as well as you have established peace with others.

That is why I am saying don't play in the hands of one against the other. You'll be the loser. The bigger ones don't get hurt, they just have set backs from which they can recover, it is the smaller ones who suffer.

At times your answers don't make any sense to me.

I will try to answer.

To understand the problem today between Vietnam and China, one must go back into the history.
The rivalry began about in the year 111 b.c. when the Viets rejected the Han´s rule. We Viets wanted to have an own emperor and to estabish a Vietnamese empire. This provokation lead to the first Han´s invasion into Vietnam teritory.

Throughout the history the Chinese has always tried to stop the Viets to realise this ambition. China fears a powerful rival in the South. Even in times when China supported Vietnam in fighting other enemies, China always keeps this goal in mind. I admit without these endless wars against China, and later the French, the U.S. and again the Chinese, we were close to realise this objective.

 

[INDIC]

Who are Rohingyas.

Burma is turning neutral ...... good for Burma. Whatever is being transported from Sittwe to NE India must be on mules because the roads can hardly take a small truck, what to talk about 40-60ton lorries. And the small check posts on Indian-Burma border are testament to the fact that hardly any worthwhile trade is taking place.

Mules Is that your ignorance or jealousy.

Just as big chunk of America can be Indian because the word Indian is common with Red Indians.

What do you want to say?

 

[Diamond_Gold]

We are constructing oil rigs in South China Sea in the areas considered as a disputed by China.

Please provide evidence. LOLOL... at the kind of quality of behaviour of a future "supra-powder" citizen.

 

[Icecreamcart]

I will try to answer.

To understand the problem today between Vietnam and China, one must go back into the history.
The rivalry began about in the year 111 b.c. when the Viets rejected the Han´s rule. We Viets wanted to have an own emperor and to estabish a Vietnamese empire. This provokation lead to the first Han´s invasion into Vietnam teritory.

Throughout the history the Chinese has always tried to stop the Viets to realise this ambition. China fears a powerful rival in the South. Even in times when China supported Vietnam in fighting other enemies, China always keeps this goal in mind. I admit without these endless wars against China, and later the French, the U.S. and again the Chinese, we were close to realise this objective.

After the Ming Dynasty, Dai Viet was free abeit staying as a tributary state. Vietnam even managed to conquer and assimilate Cham Pa and double Vietnamese territory so it's not all a failure.

As for China ending Vietnamese empire ambitions.... that's just Realpolitik.

 

[ajtr]

bwahhhhahhhhhaaaa ........

Just as big chunk of America can be Indian because the word Indian is common with Red Indians.

"indian" word struck with native coz bloody Columbus thought he reached india from west.

 

[Viet]

After the Ming Dynasty, Dai Viet was free abeit staying as a tributary state. Vietnam even managed to conquer and assimilate Cham Pa and double Vietnamese territory so it's not all a failure.

As for China ending Vietnamese empire ambitions.... that's just Realpolitik.

Yeh, but that´s still sad because our DaiViet (Empire of Viet) goal was the entire South East Asia...

 

[INDIC]

Please provide evidence. LOLOL... at the kind of quality of behaviour of a future "supra-powder" citizen.

You are getting annoyed that is enough for us.

 

[ajtr]

Please provide evidence. LOLOL... at the kind of quality of behaviour of a future "supra-powder" citizen.

so its should be like detergent powder behaviour from present soup-powder citizen.........

 

[Ticker]

I will try to answer.

To understand the problem today between Vietnam and China, one must go back into the history.
The rivalry began about in the year 111 b.c. when the Viets rejected the Han�s rule. We Viets wanted to have an own emperor and to estabish a Vietnamese empire. This provokation lead to the first Han�s invasion into Vietnam teritory.

Throughout the history the Chinese has always tried to stop the Viets to realise this ambition. China fears a powerful rival in the South. Even in times when China supported Vietnam in fighting other enemies, China always keeps this goal in mind. I admit without these endless wars against China, and later the French, the U.S. and again the Chinese, we were close to realise this objective.

Thank you for the answer.

I understand your feelings as we have a similar problem with India. Indians accuse us of being remnants of so-called Muslim invaders who captured India and ruled it for 1000 years. Later the Brits ruled India and when Brits were leaving and we found out that the Hindu majority of india would not treat us as equals, we fought and got our separate state. Around three million of us were butchered by the Indians in 1947.

We still want to live in peace with India, but Indians are intransigent and want to subjugate us, which we will not allow it to happen under any circumstance. We now are a powerful nuclear state and expect that the indians would reconcile. They will have to as they have no other option.

The mere fact that the Chinese have supported you in your wars against your enemies, provides you an opportunity to seek peace with dignity and honour. I believe it can happen and instead of playing for one big power against the other, settle with the Chinese and enjoy the peace dividends. There would be others who would try and persuade you to do otherwise, don't listen to them. If the Chinese accept your sovereignty over your territory, live peacefully. The other options are not really worth it and would cause nothing more than anguish and suffering.

Mules Is that your ignorance or jealousy.



What do you want to say?

Something that you would never understand.

 

[Ticker]

"indian" word struck with native coz bloody Columbus thought he reached india from west.

Why are you angry with Columbus. ha ha ha

hmmmmm .... because he should have discovered your India instead and you would all be Americans now.

In such a case, Pakistan would be Washington DC and India would still be a Mexico.

 

[Paan Singh]

Who are Rohingyas.

Burma is turning neutral ...... good for Burma. Whatever is being transported from Sittwe to NE India must be on mules because the roads can hardly take a small truck, what to talk about 40-60ton lorries. And the small check posts on Indian-Burma border are testament to the fact that hardly any worthwhile trade is taking place.

It surprises me that you don't know about your own country.

Pakistan doesn't need Chinese help to defend itself. It is a nuclear power. It needs China as a friend which China is and is abundantly clear to us. Who is your friend in South Asia or around South Asia.

What I discuss with a Vietnamese is not any of your concern or for that matter would be a concern to the Vietnamese. It was and is an intellectual discourse, not a schmuck dialogue that you purport incoherently.

I agree Vietnam is a small and brave country and I was just expressing my viewpoint that they should live in peace and harmony with their neighbours, not like India which talks big but is essentially, Big $hit - no Chief.




bwahhhhahhhhhaaaa ........

Just as big chunk of America can be Indian because the word Indian is common with Red Indians.

1)Good so u agreed that burma is turning neutral...cool..
2)I just said that trade is taking place.. and road is under construction and indian obejctive is not to use burma for anti china activities but to ensure that burma remain helpful in indian stabilization.
3)Nopes,vietnam is at strategic point and it can be ignored.Their location makes dem important.
4)Peace and harmony? u want to buckle under chinese pressure?? or to accept their demands? ..
5)If india is shitt den wat is china? ..see the disputes of china with their neighbors and den cmpare it wid india ..
6)hahahaa..you dont need china??...sir,there are tow countries to whom you run in case of problms..

first is saudi and second is china..it used to be U.S but not now...
and if nukes could save u then its good..even nukes couldnt save soviet union who was sitting on 10000 nukes...
so believe in la la land..

WE are nuclear power...so nothing can happen...after 10 yrs u will think that we had nuclear weapons then how it got hppnd ??

 

[Ticker]

Yeh, but that´s still sad because our DaiViet (Empire of Viet) goal was the entire South East Asia...

WOW ..... do you still hold such a desire!

 

[Paan Singh]

@viet

Dont listen the shittt by Ticker...

I just ask you to search how many wars happened b/w india n pak and who started dem..

then see his point that he says we want to live with peace with india

rest are his delusions...plz search on internet b4 believing in any crap..

 

[Ticker]

1)Good so u agreed that burma is turning neutral...cool..
2)I just said that trade is taking place.. and road is under construction and indian obejctive is not to use burma for anti china activities but to ensure that burma remain helpful in indian stabilization.
3)Nopes,vietnam is at strategic point and it can be ignored.Their location makes dem important.
4)Peace and harmony? u want to buckle under chinese pressure?? or to accept their demands? ..
5)If india is shitt den wat is china? ..see the disputes of china with their neighbors and den cmpare it wid india ..
6)hahahaa..you dont need china??...sir,there are tow countries to whom you run in case of problms..

first is saudi and second is china..it used to be U.S but not now...
and if nukes could save u then its good..even nukes couldnt save soviet union who was sitting on 10000 nukes...
so believe in la la land..

WE are nuclear power...so nothing can happen...after 10 yrs u will think that we had nuclear weapons then how it got hppnd ??

You are a classic Indian make believer, despite wearing a Turban and carrying a kach, kanga, karra, karpan and kes.

You said Burma is turning neutral, I said good for Burma. You are so happy with your hinglish understanding in punjabi dialect.

So, trade is taking place between India and Burma on a road which is under construction. Correct description would be on a road which would be under construction, because such a construction is not taking place. ha ha ha

We don't need China to come for our defence. We can defend ourselves as we already have. Whats the fuss about!

We are not Soviet Union and America certainly is not india. Soviets could breakup with 10000 nuclear weapons. Try and break us, I assure you, we will use whatever number of nukes we have on India and then you can re-name India as a la la land. It still is a la la land. Ziada lalay hi rehtay hain wahan, tum log to shayed Canada mein ziyada ho.

@viet

Dont listen the shittt by Ticker...

I just ask you to search how many wars happened b/w india n pak and who started dem..

then see his point that he says we want to live with peace with india

rest are his delusions...plz search on internet b4 believing in any crap..

hai hai ..... Paan singh Ji,

aina ghussa ..... ha ha ha ...... jao zara thanday paani na nhao, ghussa halka ho jaoo. Blood pressure diyan golian vi kha lena, kahin blood pressure vi high na ho jaye

 

[Tshering22]

I feel that more than the India-China factor, the China-Korea-Japan factor will continue to linger more prominently in east Asia as each of these countries are at each other's throats. Add Vietnam to that and it gets even more grim. India by the virtue of our geography (and of course the cowardice of our treacherous government) will remain out of such match ups.