India cannot defeat Pakistan militarily

[Tornado23]

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book
N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives.
India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including diplomacy', Asthana writes in his book.

“While conventional weapons can provide a tactical advantage in limited theatre conflicts short of war, the danger lies in escalation — which is hard to control at the best of times but especially so when the public discourse has been vitiated by the politics of warmongering," he writes.

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book

* N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives. * India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including...

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[AlKardai]

This is something we've always known, No Indian incursion, anywhere in Pakistan, would ultimately be successful. Pakistan's military acts as a successful deterrent, not exactly as an offense-capable military however, against India.

India's deepstrike doctrine to force Pakistan to use conventional nuclear capabilities on its own soil is what the Pak Strategic forces aim to counter, hence by opening multiple fronts, through Kashmir and alongside the Thar desert border to ease up pressure like the indians did in 1965.
The counter to the deepstrike doctrine is to successfully halt an Indian advance in the first few hours and then push into India, which is where Pakistan's mainly defensive military strategy comes into question.

India's main policy is to force Pakistan to do something that it is not efficient at, to prevent nuclear usage on Indian soil.
However, Pakistan's doctrine understands this, hence the opening of multiple fronts to release pressure and prevent usage of nuclear weaponry on own soil by moving the tide of the war well into india itself and defending from there.

@Signalian is this a correct explanation?

Sorry if it seems a bit scattered

 

[indushek]

"A former Cop's" book on India's Military and Strategic objectives and clarity, excellent insights it must have got in that book of his.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book
N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives.
India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including diplomacy', Asthana writes in his book.

“While conventional weapons can provide a tactical advantage in limited theatre conflicts short of war, the danger lies in escalation — which is hard to control at the best of times but especially so when the public discourse has been vitiated by the politics of warmongering," he writes.

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book

* N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives. * India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including...

www.brecorder.com

He's not a military veteran, he was a Police officer.

 

[ARMalik]

Indians just cannot match or defeat the DHA's schemes of Pakistan Army. There is no competition.

 

[Imran Khan]

They have defeated pakistan always. Source BOLLYWOOD MOVIES

 

[iamnobody]

Imran Khan fanbois should stop criticizing the army

 

[villageidiot]

Isay aaray lagay rehna, Pakistanio. Baaki Kashmir + har international mahaaz te tuhadi bund maarde pae ne aglay.

 

[Sayfullah]

A war isn’t just fought militarily. Yes it is true india cannot win against Pakistan militarily. But what about every other domain? From proxy war to propaganda to international lobbying to economy, india is dominating all by a large margin. While we celebrate tiny victories like 27 Feb, india is chipping away Pakistani territory inch by inch. Before the war was over liberating IOJK but now it’s going to be over defending GB and AJK. Where once we had many allies in IOJK fighting against Indian occupation, now in AJK and GB we have strong voices comparing Pakistan as an equal occupier go india. Indians have successfully got our military engaged in Balochistan and ex FATA through their proxies. Why would they need to fight us militarily when they already martyred more Pakistani troops with their proxies than all the Indo-Pak wars combined?
Go search up Pakistan on Google and you’ll see why Pakistan is losing. A single search for Pakistan on Google and all you’ll see is indian propaganda which successfully has built an anti Pakistan narrative across the world. Remember the fake news about the grave incident a few days ago? Check how Indian propaganda machine embarrassed Pakistan with that fake news. What’s the point of boasting about our military capabilities when Washington won’t sell us big ticket military weapons anymore without indian approval? Indians are the second strongest lobby after Israelis in usa. Where is Pakistani lobby in usa? Indians targeted our weapons supplies and now we’re forced to a select few which aren’t on good terms with Indians. And what about economy? From FATF to IMF Indians are controlling it and using it against Pakistan even after Pakistan bends over for them. Did throwing Hafiz Saaed in jail and banning Jamaat Ud Dawah help Pakistan in any way? No. All it did is show weakness for Indians who further exploited this to embarrass Pakistan in the world. Indians using IMF and FATF have ensured Pakistan’s economy always stays in ruins. Even if war happened right now we wouldn’t survive a conventional war for more than a few weeks without gong nuclear.
Pakistan has got to this stage because of bending over for Indians and the west.
Pakistan made fear its policy and surrendered.

As General Hamid Gul said:
"Fear is NO Policy ~ Surrender is NO Option"

 

[Signalian]

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book
N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives.
India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including diplomacy', Asthana writes in his book.

“While conventional weapons can provide a tactical advantage in limited theatre conflicts short of war, the danger lies in escalation — which is hard to control at the best of times but especially so when the public discourse has been vitiated by the politics of warmongering," he writes.

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book

* N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives. * India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including...

www.brecorder.com

Ravi Rikhye in his book “ The War that Never Was” mentions almost the same in chapter 5 of his book ‘ HOW INDIA LOST ALL ITS WARS ‘.

The book was published in 1988 but carries a critical analysis of both armies. He goes on to show India could have finished Pakistan in all wars but India was unable to do so. And every opportunity after end of war made Pakistan stronger than before and difficult to annihilate completely.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Ravi Rikhye in his book “ The War that Never Was” mentions almost the same in chapter 5 of his book ‘ HOW INDIA LOST ALL ITS WARS ‘.

The book was published in 1988 but carries a critical analysis of both armies. He goes on to show India could have finished Pakistan in all wars but India was unable to do so. And every opportunity after end of war made Pakistan stronger than before and difficult to annihilate completely.

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Lol, read it: how do u define victory, before dancing on it.

 

[Signalian]

This is something we've always known, No Indian incursion, anywhere in Pakistan, would ultimately be successful. Pakistan's military acts as a successful deterrent, not exactly as an offense-capable military however, against India.

India's deepstrike doctrine to force Pakistan to use conventional nuclear capabilities on its own soil is what the Pak Strategic forces aim to counter, hence by opening multiple fronts, through Kashmir and alongside the Thar desert border to ease up pressure like the indians did in 1965.
The counter to the deepstrike doctrine is to successfully halt an Indian advance in the first few hours and then push into India, which is where Pakistan's mainly defensive military strategy comes into question.

India's main policy is to force Pakistan to do something that it is not efficient at, to prevent nuclear usage on Indian soil.
However, Pakistan's doctrine understands this, hence the opening of multiple fronts to release pressure and prevent usage of nuclear weaponry on own soil by moving the tide of the war well into india itself and defending from there.

@Signalian is this a correct explanation?

Sorry if it seems a bit scattered

Regarding Kashmir, China sitting in the north sector above Leh has become a leverage for Pakistan which wasn’t available in 1999 Kargil war.
Two third-world countries fighting on imported weapons seem more like a show off than actual fighting. Pakistan needs external assistance in a war with India and that assistance will come from China however assistance should also come from Turkish or gulf countries. Pakistan should form a military alliance with Turkey without any delay. Turkey is ahead of Pakistan in multiple aspects of defence industry and such should be leveraged by Pakistan because both countries know how western powers ditched them. Pakistan turned towards China ages ago, but that should not be the only option. Iran survived sanctions and built its industry from scratch while Turkey is building itself now.

What PA needs is a hard hitting type personality of COAS, who is emotional like Musharraf but commands respect like RS to get things done which benefit Pakistan and Army.

A COAS who burns the Indian side of LOC from Siachen to Sialkot, makes alliances with friendly countries to join Pakistan’s WOT while taking out targets of interest in Afghanistan continually, then puts together a CIA type drone operation across LOC and Duran line in response to unprovoked fire from either side instead of using artillery and snipers, signs defence pacts with China and Turkey to send and receive forces in case war occurs with them or Pakistan and goes on offensive on all fronts (COIN, LOC, Intelligence/proxy wars against India and stops expansion of PA instead expands/promotes PAF and PN expansion and upgradation).

Asim Munir is not going on the offensive, which is disappointing

The reason of PAF and PN expansion is because all the above points I mentioned that COAS should do, can be done by PAF and PN on their own also.

Consider WOT against TTP or BLA. Give Ops green light to PAF in KPK and PN in Baluchistan with increased budget to expand men and material.

PAF starts its sorties of UAVs/UCAVs in KPK with ground forces consisting of (un used and barracked ) SSW. Leave PA completely out while second tier forces are paramilitary for sweep Ops. PAF’s C-130 were converted for ISR and Command/control roles in past too and can be deployed again.

PN uses its transport aircraft to drop SSG(N) and Marines along with its UAVs/UCAVs to take out BLA targets while Baluchistan FC conducts sweeping missions. PN has all advanced sensor and tech on its MPA aircraft’s to locate and target BLA. Completely sideline PA in Baluchistan, let PN carry all Ops.

Similarly, use PAF’s UCAVs to fire at every Indian Army position on LOC in retaliation to fire from Indian side. Discontinue using PA TOW/BS instead use UCAV ATGMs for attacking, EW pods for Jamming and anti jamming on EW aircraft’s and make temporary small air strips behind LOC for drone ops instead of flying drones from Skardu or ABs in KPK.

For all intel ops - enhance operational capability of AI for PAF and NI for PN. Put both these intelligence on par with ISI. Later expand role of PN against India and Iran in the seas and maritime monitoring.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

There is no possibility of an Indo-Pak war, at least not one initiated by India. If PAK chooses to start an offensive war against IND, that is a different matter.

Regards

 

[K_Bin_W]

Who said India cannot win, They have been winning for last 1000 years, their last vijay was in galwan.. They are the Khalid-Bin-Al-Waleed of South Asia.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It's a rational inference. Pak has never left enough room for India to freely maneuver against her. They've minutely checkmated capability by capability. Some recent examples:

• J-10Cs for Rafales
• VT-4s for T-90s
• Etc.