India cannot defeat Pakistan militarily

[truthseeker2010]

Regarding Kashmir, China sitting in the north sector above Leh has become a leverage for Pakistan which wasn’t available in 1999 Kargil war.
Two third-world countries fighting on imported weapons seem more like a show off than actual fighting. Pakistan needs external assistance in a war with India and that assistance will come from China however assistance should also come from Turkish or gulf countries. Pakistan should form a military alliance with Turkey without any delay. Turkey is ahead of Pakistan in multiple aspects of defence industry and such should be leveraged by Pakistan because both countries know how western powers ditched them. Pakistan turned towards China ages ago, but that should not be the only option. Iran survived sanctions and built its industry from scratch while Turkey is building itself now.

What PA needs is a hard hitting type personality of COAS, who is emotional like Musharraf but commands respect like RS to get things done which benefit Pakistan and Army.

A COAS who burns the Indian side of LOC from Siachen to Sialkot, makes alliances with friendly countries to join Pakistan’s WOT while taking out targets of interest in Afghanistan continually, then puts together a CIA type drone operation across LOC and Duran line in response to unprovoked fire from either side instead of using artillery and snipers, signs defence pacts with China and Turkey to send and receive forces in case war occurs with them or Pakistan and goes on offensive on all fronts (COIN, LOC, Intelligence/proxy wars against India and stops expansion of PA instead expands/promotes PAF and PN expansion and upgradation).

Asim Munir is not going on the offensive, which is disappointing

The reason of PAF and PN expansion is because all the above points I mentioned that COAS should do, can be done by PAF and PN on their own also.

Consider WOT against TTP or BLA. Give Ops green light to PAF in KPK and PN in Baluchistan with increased budget to expand men and material.

PAF starts its sorties of UAVs/UCAVs in KPK with ground forces consisting of (un used and barracked ) SSW. Leave PA completely out while second tier forces are paramilitary for sweep Ops. PAF’s C-130 were converted for ISR and Command/control roles in past too and can be deployed again.

PN uses its transport aircraft to drop SSG(N) and Marines along with its UAVs/UCAVs to take out BLA targets while Baluchistan FC conducts sweeping missions. PN has all advanced sensor and tech on its MPA aircraft’s to locate and target BLA. Completely sideline PA in Baluchistan, let PN carry all Ops.

Similarly, use PAF’s UCAVs to fire at every Indian Army position on LOC in retaliation to fire from Indian side. Discontinue using PA TOW/BS instead use UCAV ATGMs for attacking, EW pods for Jamming and anti jamming on EW aircraft’s and make temporary small air strips behind LOC for drone ops instead of flying drones from Skardu or ABs in KPK.

For all intel ops - enhance operational capability of AI for PAF and NI for PN. Put both these intelligence on par with ISI. Later expand role of PN against India and Iran in the seas and maritime monitoring.

Good luck in finding a 12th grade product of kakul who will develop an industry for u.

 

[SaadH]

India has already defeated Pakistan on all fronts. No need to engage in Kinetic action that will be a waste of their resources. No need to invade since no one wants to own unproductive populace residing on barren and unproductive lands.

Plus and most importantly the security guarantors of Pakistan have already surrendered to India in all spheres of statecraft.

 

[AlKardai]

Good luck in finding a 12th grade product of kakul who will develop an industry for u.

Unnecessary smearing of perfectly valid discussion

 

[Kaniska]

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book
N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives.
India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including diplomacy', Asthana writes in his book.

“While conventional weapons can provide a tactical advantage in limited theatre conflicts short of war, the danger lies in escalation — which is hard to control at the best of times but especially so when the public discourse has been vitiated by the politics of warmongering," he writes.

India ‘cannot win a war’ against Pakistan, says former Indian officer in latest book

* N.C. Asthana writes that India has no clarity about its military and strategic objectives. * India would be better served by finding solutions to the security challenges both Pakistan and China present by strengthening itself internally and pursuing non-military solutions, including...

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What is the news here?
Neither India nor Pakistan can attack and defeat each other militarily.

 

[Riz]

Dollar phainko tamasha daikho

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

A war isn’t just fought militarily. Yes it is true india cannot win against Pakistan militarily. But what about every other domain? From proxy war to propaganda to international lobbying to economy, india is dominating all by a large margin. While we celebrate tiny victories like 27 Feb, india is chipping away Pakistani territory inch by inch. Before the war was over liberating IOJK but now it’s going to be over defending GB and AJK. Where once we had many allies in IOJK fighting against Indian occupation, now in AJK and GB we have strong voices comparing Pakistan as an equal occupier go india. Indians have successfully got our military engaged in Balochistan and ex FATA through their proxies. Why would they need to fight us militarily when they already martyred more Pakistani troops with their proxies than all the Indo-Pak wars combined?
Go search up Pakistan on Google and you’ll see why Pakistan is losing. A single search for Pakistan on Google and all you’ll see is indian propaganda which successfully has built an anti Pakistan narrative across the world. Remember the fake news about the grave incident a few days ago? Check how Indian propaganda machine embarrassed Pakistan with that fake news. What’s the point of boasting about our military capabilities when Washington won’t sell us big ticket military weapons anymore without indian approval? Indians are the second strongest lobby after Israelis in usa. Where is Pakistani lobby in usa? Indians targeted our weapons supplies and now we’re forced to a select few which aren’t on good terms with Indians. And what about economy? From FATF to IMF Indians are controlling it and using it against Pakistan even after Pakistan bends over for them. Did throwing Hafiz Saaed in jail and banning Jamaat Ud Dawah help Pakistan in any way? No. All it did is show weakness for Indians who further exploited this to embarrass Pakistan in the world. Indians using IMF and FATF have ensured Pakistan’s economy always stays in ruins. Even if war happened right now we wouldn’t survive a conventional war for more than a few weeks without gong nuclear.
Pakistan has got to this stage because of bending over for Indians and the west.
Pakistan made fear its policy and surrendered.

As General Hamid Gul said:
"Fear is NO Policy ~ Surrender is NO Option"

Even if India cannot defeat us militarily, they still have the quantitative edge. We need a qualitative edge over India.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Pakistan got defeated in 1971.

DG ISPR: it was a political defeat.

 

[That Guy]

A lot of Indians don't realize that Pakistan doesn't have to win against India in a war, it just has to make sure it doesn't lose and that India doesn't win. Stalemate itself is a victory for Pakistan, because any Indian invasion would collapse in such a scenario.

You don't have to be good at your job, you just have to be good enough.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

As per the narrative, India has professional top ranked generals but poor foot soldiers, lower ranks.

In Pakistan, the top ranked generals are incompetent, corrupt but the soldiers, lower ranks are good.

 

[MastanKhan]

There is no possibility of an Indo-Pak war, at least not one initiated by India. If PAK chooses to start an offensive war against IND, that is a different matter.

Regards

Hi,

War will be initiated by india under "false flag operation " allegations---like in Pulwama, like 2002 parliament attack---like mumbai attacks---l.

It depends on how weak would the BJP feel at the times prior to elections---or it just wants to solidify

 

[uhuru]

They have defeated pakistan always. Source BOLLYWOOD MOVIES

but i think they cannot defeat them in being business oriented and enterpreneurship

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@MastanKhan

I can accept your argument about a politically weak BJP using a false flag op to start a war. But there is no guarantee that such a war will end well for IND, let alone an outright victory. Anything else would be a heavy defeat for BJP politically. Plus, there will be a heavy drain on the treasury So, in my opinion this scenario is a non starter being too risky.

Regards

 

[PakFactor]

"A former Cop's" book on India's Military and Strategic objectives and clarity, excellent insights it must have got in that book of his.

That's where I stopped reading; it's like a real estate broker giving heart surgery advice.

 

[NagaBaba]

The one place militarily where India truly dwarfs Pk capability is the navy.

Huge coastline, + an increasingly assertive China, even in the seas, has forced the Indian strategic calculus to go that way.

Some say that a Rafale follow up order will very likely be placed, and might be in the middle of negotiations. 36 more, then another 36.

 

[game]

In modern age , no country can win a war or can get away easily.. Russia may have annexed crimea, cos they are much self sufficient and does not export much or import critical goods that are must for their survival .. we dont see a russian made gadgets ,toys or cars in any country ,unlike china

A modern day war/conflicts bleeds the country and leave wounds and scars for a long time.

neither Pakistan or India will afford a war .. if there is a conflict or a fight,the world will enjoy the fire works ,they will sell arms ,till both countries bleed badly and come to a ceasefire or till goes out of hands and escalate to nuclear flash point