India approves plan to develop Iran's Chabahar port

[Amaa'n]

This should explain why Iran is going haywire all of a sudden.

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And dont forget to add cherry to the top --- WE shelfed the IP gas deal, at a point when Iran had done its part already

 

[ghoul]

Hopefully it would start a positive competition between China and India.

 

[janon]

This India-Iran vs Pakistan-China. Lets see who wins business.

Have you checked out the India-China business relations? The trade volume between India and China is about half of Pak's GDP!

Don't go by the Sino-Indian relations here on PDF - in the real world, Indo-China relations in business are huge, and only set to grow dramatically.

India's investment in Chabahar port is old news, being highlighted now by Pakistani media to cast aspersions on the border issues Pak is having with Iran.

 

[Winchester]

If Pakistan gets its act right Gwadar will be a success no matter the state of Chabahar

 

[Kompromat]

This India-Iran vs Pakistan-China. Lets see who wins business.

When Gwadar is up and running Iran would have to either join up or lose again to GCC. We need to lock Arabs and Persians in economic competition in our country and reap its benefits. Chabahar will most likely never see light of the day.

 

[SpArK]

This India-Iran vs Pakistan-China. Lets see who wins business.

Business from where and from whom?

Central asia?

China has less risky , easier, faster , no messeir direct access to Central asia... why should they ship goods through riskier, volatile lands to ship, transship goods through there??

If its arabian lands.... then why should they send it from crossing their mainland , then through hard risky terrain of Pakistan and then to ship to arabia when most of its major cities like shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Chengdu, hongkong, Shenzhen, shenyan, Nanjing, fujian, jianxi, Hunan etc are in the far eastern side?????

 

[Levina]

Let me bring one thing to your notice. Chah Bahar is an Iranian port; not an Indian port; regardless of India's role in developing it. Secondly, India will not have a Naval base there, since India does not need one there, neither will Iran allow any country to set up a Naval Base in its territory, let there be no misconception regarding these matters. If Pakistan attacks Chah Bahar, then it will simply be an attack on Iran and therefore an 'Act of War' on Iran.

Likewise, there is some absurd extrapolation that Gwadar will become a Chinese Naval Base. If that becomes so then it will firstly raise issues about Pakistani Sovereignty; secondly it will still remain a target in case of Indo-pak hostilities.
Thus both Chah Bahar and Gwadar will always be Iranian and pakistani ports respectively.

if china attack on that port mean WAR with IRAN... If India attack on Gwadar port means war with PAK and not china....

Lol.

I just meant that both these port're just 76 kms apart from each other.And ergo the chances of competition is high and also since Pakistan is near by so trouble isnt far away.Investing US $100 million in Chabahar free trade zone could just be watered down by one attack.
But I do see other advantages here like giving the Dubai port a miss and establishing direct trade between kandla port and Chabahar,direct access to Afghan through Zahidan and ofcourse the opportunity to invest in a free trade zone.

@Capt.Popeye
Don't you think India's delay in investment has already costed India?? Afaik India and Iran had agreed to cooperate on the development of this port way back in 2003 when Iran’s president Khatami had visited India.Other countries like China have already to started to make cash there.Lol ...and why such delay?

 

[farhan_9909]

Chabahar port to become Iran trade hub in near future: Official

The file photo shows a view of Chabahar Port in southeastern Iran.

Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:10PM

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Iran plans to turn its southeastern Chabahar Port into a trade hub in the near future, an Iranian official says.

At a meeting with Indian Ambassador to Tehran Shri Niraj Srivastava, Head of Iran's Chamber of Commerce, Industries, Mines and Agriculture (ICCIMA) Gholam Hossein Shafe'ee pointed to Iran’s development plans for Chabahar Port and said those investing in the area will have a secure and promising prospect.

Shafe'ee pointed to Iran’s emphasis on the rail transport system, adding that the country plans to connect Mashhad rail road in northeastern Iran to the western Afghan province of Herat and launch development projects in Sarakhs special economic zone in northeastern Iran.

Srivastava, for his part, described Chabahar Port as a key location for the promotion of Iran-India trade and said New Delhi seeks to participate in development of the area.

The diplomat said that India has allocated USD 300 million to invest in development of Chabahar Port and the country plans to take part in development of rail roads from the area and shipping lines in the next steps.

Iran’s Chabahar Port, located 72 kilometers (44 miles) west of Pakistan’s Gwadar port, holds immense strategic and economic significance for India.

The port is already connected to the city of Zaranj in Afghanistan’s southwestern province of Nimruz and can serve as India’s entry point to Afghanistan, Central Asia and beyond.

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- See more at: PressTV - Chabahar port to become Iran trade hub in near future: Official

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For iran maybe but not for India as india trade with Central asia and Afghanistan even by 2060 will not be more than 10Billion dollars.And you know some central asian countries will still opt for the european route because of not so good relations with iran.


On the other hand,Tajikistan has already slipped toward Gwadar(Google it,hell they have even funded part of karakoram highway now with the road on there side already completed)

Gwadar trade potential is in excess of 1Trillion dollar by 2030-35 as compared to 6-8Billion dollars for Chabahar for india

 

[ni8mare]

For iran maybe but not for India as india trade with Central asia and Afghanistan even by 2060 will not be more than 10Billion dollars.And you know some central asian countries will still opt for the european route because of not so good relations with iran.


On the other hand,Tajikistan has already slipped toward Gwadar(Google it,hell they have even funded part of karakoram highway now with the road on there side already completed)

Gwadar trade potential is in excess of 1Trillion dollar by 2030-35 as compared to 6-8Billion dollars for Chabahar for india

ok

 

[SpArK]

For iran maybe but not for India as india trade with Central asia and Afghanistan even by 2060 will not be more than 10Billion dollars.And you know some central asian countries will still opt for the european route because of not so good relations with iran.


On the other hand,Tajikistan has already slipped toward Gwadar(Google it,hell they have even funded part of karakoram highway now with the road on there side already completed)

Gwadar trade potential is in excess of 1Trillion dollar by 2030-35 as compared to 6-8Billion dollars for Chabahar for india

The first part regarding the trade wont increase is not logical, the main export from them is ofcourse natural resources and the trade has nt really jumped off due to present route issues which is geographical in nature...
Once a clear path, a perfect logistical network sets in, the trade is going to grow at an unprecedented rate.
For Iran it will be a transformation of that region as an economic corridor and a point of more export/import orders from one of the biggest populated areas of south asia.


Second part
Tajikistan slipping china favoring etc are non logical fairy tales... Is Gwadar the only port or the first port of Pakistan, why cant they use existing bigger ports like karachi if they wants to??? They will do business only through new ports???

 

[farhan_9909]

The first part regarding the trade wont increase is not logical, the main export from them is ofcourse natural resources and the trade has nt really jumped off due to present route issues which is geographical in nature...
Once a clear path, a perfect logistical network sets in, the trade is going to grow at an unprecedented rate.
For Iran it will be a transformation of that region as an economic corridor and a point of more export/import orders from one of the biggest populated areas of south asia.


Second part
Tajikistan slipping china favoring etc are non logical fairy tales... Is Gwadar the only port or the first port of Pakistan, why cant they use existing bigger ports like karachi if they wants to??? They will do business only through new ports???

I will not stretch further,

About the second part,Iran also has already existing port with access to central asia aswell.But the part is that central asian states doesn't has very good relations with iran and most of them opt for non iranian route except the uzbekistan.So yes,india will be able to have trade with central asian states through iran but central asian states prefer to have non iranian route access to water

I believe tajikistan is already having access to karachi port for the past many years as atleast since 2009-10 i have seen the increase in the sign board's with tajik language throughout the karakoram highway starting from hasanabdal and most important,the tajikistan has also abandoned the afghanistan route to have access to pakistan but instead they are following into china for some 50km and than pakistan.

Also it doesn't make sense to have the board with tajik language throughout karakoram higjway

For more detail,visit the Gwadar thread in economy section of pakistan(Gwadar thread)

 

[halupridol]

Also it doesn't make sense to have the board with tajik language throughout karakoram higjway

For more detail,visit the Gwadar thread in economy section of pakistan(Gwadar thread)

looks russian to me n it doesnt really look like a highway

 

[farhan_9909]

looks russian to me n it doesnt really look like a highway

yes it is written like russian i believe it is persian

Tajik language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not whole of the karakoram highway is a highway as the name indicates,though the construction is underprocess and faster than anywhere else in pakistan.

Anyway i was watching a program related to Pakistan-Afghanistan when a official from pakistan said afghanistan still opt for Pakistan route because under UN convention,neighbour of landlocked country is suppose to give access to the landlocked neighbour without any charge,to which the official further said while iran doesn't obey the convention but pakistan does.

in the vary same program they also said pakistan may offer a port exclusive for afghanistan in ormara if afghanistan can invest.

 

[SpArK]

I will not stretch further,

About the second part,Iran also has already existing port with access to central asia aswell.But the part is that central asian states doesn't has very good relations with iran and most of them opt for non iranian route except the uzbekistan.So yes,india will be able to have trade with central asian states through iran but central asian states prefer to have non iranian route access to water

I believe tajikistan is already having access to karachi port for the past many years as atleast since 2009-10 i have seen the increase in the sign board's with tajik language throughout the karakoram highway starting from hasanabdal and most important,the tajikistan has also abandoned the afghanistan route to have access to pakistan but instead they are following into china for some 50km and than pakistan.

Also it doesn't make sense to have the board with tajik language throughout karakoram higjway

For more detail,visit the Gwadar thread in economy section of pakistan(Gwadar thread)

Central asian countries have good economic relations with Iran and there are no border issues like say killings in Ind-Pak or Pak-Iran borders.

You cite only the example of Tajikistan and its the only CA country language in the board.

Ever wondered why???? There are at least 1.2 million Tajiks living in Pakistan...Tajiks from Tajikistan have settled in Pakistan due to the economic conditions prevalent in their home country, many have settled in the northern city of Ishkuman...The country is nearest to 14 kms from Pakistan.

Some facts about Tajikistan

Tajikistan was the poorest republic of the Soviet Union and is the poorest country in Central Asia as well as in the former Soviet Union today.
More than half of Tajikistan's GDP comes from migrant remittances.


These are its exports

Apart from that ....the sign board serves well for the TTP fighters who has huge population of tajiks.



Of course Iran has other ports, but this route involves through Afghanistan and work on the roads have completed and Chahbahar port is the final item.

We are now clearing the path through eastern route from trouble makers ... Iran is securing its eastern borders from any adventurers and there will be permanent setup like our borders.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Lol.

I just meant that both these port're just 76 kms apart from each other.And ergo the chances of competition is high and also since Pakistan is near by so trouble isnt far away.Investing US $100 million in Chabahar free trade zone could just be watered down by one attack.
But I do see other advantages here like giving the Dubai port a miss and establishing direct trade between kandla port and Chabahar,direct access to Afghan through Zahidan and ofcourse the opportunity to invest in a free trade zone.

@Capt.Popeye
Don't you think India's delay in investment has already costed India?? Afaik India and Iran had agreed to cooperate on the development of this port way back in 2003 when Iran’s president Khatami had visited India.Other countries like China have already to started to make cash there.Lol ...and why such delay?

To answer your question; yes and no.
India went a little slow on the project since there was no clarity on a number of issues. First the future of Afghanistan, secondly the somersaults that Iran's relations with the West took, then the unclear attitude of Russia and the CARs earlier. Even China had not spelt out its stand before. The clarity crept back in after a number of strategic dialogs that India had with all of these parties. More than that; was that India was able to convince first NATO and later USA that this move will have long-term benefits for Afghanistan specifically and the world at large. Then the new upheaval in the ME has also woken up the world to what Iran's position in regional politics should be; which coupled with Iran's step back into a reasonable stance on the nuclear and other strategic issues have achieved. We can even go on to speculate that Iran's relation-ship with Israel will take a fresh dimension, notwithstanding all the past rhetoric.

In the mean-time; pakistan has just bumbled along on setting up Gwadar; with no clarity on when and how well that plan will reach fruition. That coupled with the 'internal churn' going on within Pakistan, as well as the still nebulous Afghan-Pak relationship does not bode well. Not conducive to International confidence at all. Plus Gwadar is mainly China beneficient, while Chah Bahar is beneficial to many more parties.