India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[Guynextdoor2]

The Key Answers are.

1) 2 days back chinese troops were spotted roaming in india side of the border.. what kind of enmity you want.

2) They would gain upper hand on regional and international matters.. by Opposing india.

3) They did not oppose because Pakistan did not oppose during NSG waiver..

Lol!!

Pakistan is Turkey's brother, China's strategic, economic partner though I like India but wouldn't hesitate to fight for Pakistan

Everyone knows why Turkey is not suppoting India . It has nothing to do with Pakistan brother etc,.

 

[Providence]

A lot has been said on this forum about India losing out in it's bid for NSG entry. What exactly would they lose out on may I ask after the waiver ?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Pakistan is Turkey's brother, China's strategic, economic partner though I like India but wouldn't hesitate to fight for Pakistan

This strong sense of brotherhood has been passed on to generations of ours and we will pass it on further. Materialistic world will never understand our relationship because they tend to see everything with the eye of "profit and interest". Pakistan and Turkey have already gone beyond that. I m waiting for a day when we can visit each other country via road through Iran. One day, it'll happen, oh yes, it'll happen.

 

[Laozi]

who told you rest of 46 supporting you ?????

One should follow the principle of never counting the number of friends and never making any enemies.

The figure of 46 is derived from the OP which states that only 2 countries out of 48 are pushing Pakistani cause which is to block India's bid at NSG.

Therefore rest of the countries seems okay with India's inclusion

 

[New World]

Lol!!



Everyone knows why Turkey is not suppoting India . It has nothing to do with Pakistan brother etc,.

can you clarify in detail about Turkish opposition other than Pakistan

 

[eddie01]

ndia decided to be a pet of uncle sam, so they are not supporting India but bowing down before uncle sam. If uncle stop caressing India's tail, you will see the change.

Furthermore Pakistan unfortunately has not been doing good on diplomatic front due to the corrupt and incompetent govt of NS. And still most of them will support Pakistan.

change is quite visible my friend but it seems you are clueless at this point of time.. for US supporting India's bid for membership first , there are 48 countries and US is one of them and mind you rest all 47 are sovereign country with independent foreign policy unlike pakistan.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

India decided to be a pet of uncle sam, so they are not supporting India but bowing down before uncle sam. If uncle stop caressing India's tail, you will see the change.

Pakistan was (is) America's slave for decades. Ever since Independence you were allies without being allies. you gave themm your soldiers to die for..you gave them you land to operate from making it a war zone, your people get killed by their drones, yet you obeyed them like real slaves. I am not saying this, its your people who say this. Now what id you gain by being a slave ?? Nothing. So your point about India is just as naive as you as a country are. India is just expoilting them which YOU COULD HAVE, sorry to say but your policy makers f**ked it up for your country. Its called playing your cards diplomatically.

Furthermore Pakistan unfortunately has not been doing good on diplomatic front due to the corrupt and incompetent govt of NS. And still most of them will support Pakistan.

Lol. lets wait for the results then.

A lot has been said on this forum about India losing out in it's bid for NSG entry. What exactly would they lose out on may I ask after the waiver ?

Just the titl of being a member of NSG, we already enjoy all the membership benefits. Nothing to lose really.

 

[anant_s]

NEW DELHI: China is not opposed to India's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj has clarified. She said Beijing is only focussed on criteria procedure to India's membership to the elite nuclear club.

Highlights

1. China's concerns lie with criterion procedure: Swaraj
2. India not opposed to membership of any country based on merits, she said, when asked about Pakistan's NSG bid
3. India looking to wrap up NSG membership in 2016, said the Foreign Minister

Swaraj's comments came at a news conference to outline the foreign policy achievements of the Narendra Modi government over the past two years, as well as about recent developments. Her comments also came just days after External Affairs secretary S Jaishankar visited Beijing to discuss India's NSG bid.

China has been seen globally as the sole impediment to India's entry into the global nuclear trade regime . While some sources have attributed China's decision to put the brakes on India's bid to concerns over the strategic balance in its own neighbourhood, other have said Beijing is insisting on similar waivers to be extended to its all-weather ally, Pakistan.

Swaraj also fielded questions on the India's attempt to join the NSG in relation to Pakistan 's own bid. "As far as our stand on Pakistan's NSG membership is concerned, India is not opposed to the entry of any nation into the NSG. We would want any application to be considered on its own merits," said Swaraj.

She added that she was hopeful of moving India's membership process forward. "We are hopeful. We will be able to convince China as well. We are in touch with 23 nations on this issue. One or two of them had raised concerns, but I think a general consensus is there," she said.

The Modi government would attempt to ensure that India's NSG membership becomes a reality by the end of this year, the External Affairs Minister stressed. "The NSG membership has assumed importance this year in light of the leadership role that India projected on the global stage at the Paris climate talks," she said.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...eijing-Sushma-Swaraj/articleshow/52819513.cms

 

[anant_s]

Its good to see government moving forward in a positive manner and not taking a confrontational stand with China. Sending a diplomat to engage with China is a very mature move and unlike media which wants knee jerk reaction, policy makers are treading the road carefully.

@Abingdonboy @Levina @Rain Man @nair @Chinese-Dragon

 

[Laozi]

 

[dadeechi]

I have already confirmed the same in the following thread. The fact that EAM is now making that commitment public implies that there is confidence in that agreement.

https://defence.pk/threads/india-holds-fire-on-china-opposition-to-nsg-bid-hopes-for-dragon-nod.434445/#post-8371667

India has already comitted that it would not be blocking Pakistan's application in return for China not blocking India's.

https://defence.pk/threads/china-au...d-oppose-india-nsg.434199/page-2#post-8368383

https://defence.pk/threads/india-no...liers-group-swaraj.435542/page-3#post-8393041

That is the point. The main contention was that once India is in NSG it would prevent Pakistan's case.

India is saying that it would not oppose Pakistan's application once it is in NSG.

China can in fact use India's case as an example to push Pakistan's case.

The million dollar question is how Pakistan can go past the opposition from the West.

Russia, China & India would be supporting or not opposing Pakistan's application.

https://defence.pk/threads/india-no...liers-group-swaraj.435542/page-3#post-8393153

There are multiple arguments that have been put forwarded by China in opposing India's case

1) India being a non-NPT member should not be accorded NSG membership. This was more to counter West's opposition to Pakistan's case and to use India to push Pakistan's case. Now India has argued that by allowing India into NSG, China can in fact use India's case as a precedent for Pakistan's case

2) Once India is NSG it can veto Pakistan's case. To allay those fears, India has given a commitment to China that it would not veto Pakistan's application as and when it is ready

3) Both India & Pakistan should be accorded NSG membership simultaneously. India's position has been that India has started this quest more than a decade ago and has used lot of political capital to obtain agreement from all the other members while Pakistan has just started its quest. Both these application decisions should be delinked and considered on their own merit and support.

 

[~|Cyanide|~]

A lot has been said on this forum about India losing out in it's bid for NSG entry. What exactly would they lose out on may I ask after the waiver ?

Pakistan does not oppose India acquiring better capability in terms of nuclear tech or conventional warfare as it is their right, we only look to balance it afterwards. In NSG case India may or may not get any additional perks than what they already enjoy but they will however get the ability to have a say in their affairs i.e veto power that means Pakistan will never be able to join NSG if they get the membership.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

can you clarify in detail about Turkish opposition other than Pakistan

Considers itself Most powerful country outside the US in NATO (at least at par with UK & France if not 'more') believes it deserves the seat as much as they do. Therefore is pissed that India might get it in spite of their 'big' sacrifices for NATO by turkey (hosting nuclear missiles against soviet union etc.). Not possible though, India is immensely more powerful than Turkey. Not having India inside UNSC is like not taming the Rhino that's charging down the field and making a joke out of every major international treaty (MTCR, NSG etc.). Every global effort to contain India has failed- Long range submersible missiles outside MTCR, rockets to mars despite 15 years spent in keeping India away from cryogenic tech, nuclear weapons and thermonuclear bombs outside of NSG.

 

[SrNair]

So our diplomatic moves works very well in there .It seems

 

[SrNair]

China, Turkey, New Zealand, Ireland, South Africa and Austria are opposing India's bid for the NSG not just 2 countries.

Now that is an old story .
US ,entire West ,India's close friends working in here .
China ,Turkey are the only two nation that oppose us .
But as any other nation that interested in permanent long term gain.They will analyse that very well.
Advantages that they get if they support us and disadvantages if they dont etc .
Let see

Considers itself Most powerful country outside the US in NATO (at least at par with UK & France if not 'more') believes it deserves the seat as much as they do. Therefore is pissed that India might get it in spite of their 'big' sacrifices for NATO by turkey (hosting nuclear missiles against soviet union etc.). Not possible though, India is immensely more powerful than Turkey. Not having India inside UNSC is like not taming the Rhino that's charging down the field and making a joke out of every major international treaty (MTCR, NSG etc.). Every global effort to contain India has failed- Long range submersible missiles outside MTCR, rockets to mars despite 15 years spent in keeping India away from cryogenic tech, nuclear weapons and thermonuclear bombs outside of NSG.

Well they can also understand the gap between Turkey and India .
NSG is just a formality ,we are already benefitting that from the waiver .
If they oppose they wont get anything but an unwanted irritation from India and rest of the West .
Not good for them in long term.