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[Bad Guy]

I will only be happy when China unexpectedly changes her stance and make us elect in NSG.

 

[mike2000 is back]

With less than a week left in the NSG meet at Seoul,which will decide whether or not India will be allowed entry into the privliged group,China and Turkey have showed no actual signs to support India's bid despite the US and UK pushing all the members to bat for India.

One wonders,what might be the motive of these two countries to block India ? ( I'm so innocent )

What are the chances of the two relaxing their positions in favor of India now ?

Opinions.

U.S and U.K have been pushing for India to be part of the NSG. It's a give-take relationship, we get some deals they get access to lots of other stuffs as well. To be honest, i don't see why India shouldn't be included, it has been a responsible nuclear power for since it acquired nuclear weapons. So no reason it shouldn't be included today. The time we imposed sanctions for nuclear tests is long gone. So no reason they shouldn't be included today.

 

[T-123456]

Is there a veto right?

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Is there a veto right?

yes. the members have the power to veto a new entry.

 

[HAIDER]

In 1974 Z A Bhutto PM of Pakistan asked Bulent Ecevit if he need Pakistan armed forced for back up during Cyprus invasion. Bhutto also ordered Pak armed forces ready for mobilization, if situation get worst for Turkey.

During 1971 stand off between Pak-India . Angry Chairman Mao ordered full mobilization of Chinese army to help Pakistan . Historian writes, China was very angry at US attitude toward Pakistan during 71.( its long debate, just writing in short).

 

[Guynextdoor2]

In 1974 Z A Bhutto PM of Pakistan asked Bulent Ecevit if he need Pakistan armed forced for back up during Cyprus invasion. Bhutto also ordered Pak armed forces ready for mobilization, if situation get worst for Turkey.

During 1971 stand off between Pak-India . Angry Chairman Mao ordered full mobilization of Chinese army to help Pakistan . Historian writes, China was very angry at US attitude toward Pakistan during 71.( its long debate, just writing in short).

a lot of the stuff you wrote....is BS.....

 

[HAIDER]

a lot of the stuff you wrote....is BS.....

Really , let's listen Indian BS then....

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Really , let's listen Indian BS then....

Just facts.
US didn't care two hoots about pak in 1971, apart from making some nice sounding voices the only thing they cared about was that kissinger's detente mission to china should remain a secret. And that was the rub- with detente proceeding behind the scenes they couldn't criticize Pakistan, sure millions may have been affected by your military crackdown but millions more were affected by chairman mao's revolution. You don't want to bring his dark actions being referred to just a few months before he emerges the new 'big friend' USA.

Chairman mao cared two hoots about Pak too. 'mobilize his entire army' just a few weeks before his master move to checkmate the Soviet Union by forging an alliance with USA? You gotta be smoking pot to cook that up.

in 1971 Pak's fate was a complete sideshow to the real earthshaking events of the world. Your mistake was to consider their friendly sounding words as serious, in believing somehow that your little country should outweigh the massive concerns of the cold war world. Comprende?

A lot has been said on this forum about India losing out in it's bid for NSG entry. What exactly would they lose out on may I ask after the waiver ?

Not materially or technologically, but being in the high table of NSG and MTCR will allow india to better bargain for UNSC.

 

[HAIDER]

Just facts.
US didn't care two hoots about pak in 1971, apart from making some nice sounding voices the only thing they cared about was that kissinger's detente mission to china should remain a secret. And that was the rub- with detente proceeding behind the scenes they couldn't criticize Pakistan, sure millions may have been affected by your military crackdown but millions more were affected by chairman mao's revolution. You don't want to bring his dark actions being referred to just a few months before he emerges the new 'big friend' USA.

Chairman mao cared two hoots about Pak too. 'mobilize his entire army' just a few weeks before his master move to checkmate the Soviet Union by forging an alliance with USA? You gotta be smoking pot to cook that up.

in 1971 Pak's fate was a complete sideshow to the real earthshaking events of the world. Your mistake was to consider their friendly sounding words as serious, in believing somehow that your little country should outweigh the massive concerns of the cold war world. Comprende?



Not materially or technologically, but being in the high table of NSG and MTCR will allow india to better bargain for UNSC.

That's you perspective, but history is little different .As far as UNSC seat its West and US approach to neutralize China nothing else.

 

[war&peace]

Pakistan was (is) America's slave for decades. Ever since Independence you were allies without being allies. you gave themm your soldiers to die for..you gave them you land to operate from making it a war zone, your people get killed by their drones, yet you obeyed them like real slaves. I am not saying this, its your people who say this. Now what id you gain by being a slave ?? Nothing. So your point about India is just as naive as you as a country are. India is just expoilting them which YOU COULD HAVE, sorry to say but your policy makers f**ked it up for your country. Its called playing your cards diplomatically.

I was replying to the question to the question. But you are talking the discussion in a wrong way. I just told him the reason why other countries are supporting and I did not ask why US is not supporting Pakistan so this butthurt rant of yours is totally unnecessary.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

That's you perspective, but history is little different .As far as UNSC seat its West and US approach to neutralize China nothing else.

what i said is called 'real' history. Not the stuff you cook up to give an acceptable version of things. Sooooooo much support you got, god a massive invasion of your territory was launched by India by air, sea and land, tanks rolled in, armed groups sent in who were trained for many many months, a massive diplomatic effort made before the invasion and post --- and nothing except some nice sounding words?

The dismemberment of pakistan was not achieved like East Timor or even germany through events spread over months and years....it was done in a massive assault that lasted eight days flat....and no one bothers to put a credible defense of your stand?

 

[HAIDER]

what i said is called 'real' history. Not the stuff you cook up to give an acceptable version of things. Sooooooo much support you got, god a massive invasion of your territory was launched by India by air, sea and land, tanks rolled in, armed groups sent in who were trained for many many months, a massive diplomatic effort made before the invasion and post --- and nothing except some nice sounding words?

The dismemberment of pakistan was not achieved like East Timor or even germany through events spread over months and years....it was done in a massive assault that lasted eight days flat....and no one bothers to put a credible defense of your stand?

Nope, at that time Pakistan had " failed foreign policy ", where President of that time was totally dependent on US, CENTO etc, and unexpected behavior of US. And, Yes on top of very dirty work by Indian govt, stab in the back of Pakistani state.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Nope, at that time Pakistan had " failed foreign policy ", where President of that time was totally dependent on US, CENTO etc, and unexpected behavior of US. And, Yes on top of very dirty work by Indian govt, stab in the back of Pakistani state.

man you really smoke the good stuff don't you?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Just facts.
US didn't care two hoots about pak in 1971, apart from making some nice sounding voices the only thing they cared about was that kissinger's detente mission to china should remain a secret. And that was the rub- with detente proceeding behind the scenes they couldn't criticize Pakistan, sure millions may have been affected by your military crackdown but millions more were affected by chairman mao's revolution. You don't want to bring his dark actions being referred to just a few months before he emerges the new 'big friend' USA.

Chairman mao cared two hoots about Pak too. 'mobilize his entire army' just a few weeks before his master move to checkmate the Soviet Union by forging an alliance with USA? You gotta be smoking pot to cook that up.

in 1971 Pak's fate was a complete sideshow to the real earthshaking events of the world. Your mistake was to consider their friendly sounding words as serious, in believing somehow that your little country should outweigh the massive concerns of the cold war world. Comprende?



Not materially or technologically, but being in the high table of NSG and MTCR will allow india to better bargain for UNSC.

Since Pakistan has become a nuclear weapons state with the ability to produce H-bombs and thermonuclear weapons since at least early 2011 :

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

Reality for Pakistan now is that we don't need any foreign help/assistance in order to defeat our enemies. We can now do it ourselves. Pakistan is too powerful militarily for any nation to attack/invade us without suffering unacceptable damage and loses. indian military high command know this all too well. That's why india was powerless to attack Pakistan after mumbai 26/11/2008 even though india is 8 times bigger than Pakistan. This is also the same reason why Saudi Arabia was begging Pakistan in late 2015 to help them defeat the Houthi rebels.

 

[HAIDER]

man you really smoke the good stuff don't you?

Ok man , I believe whatever you are saying. ...Yes, Indian did its homework well to break the East Pakistan.