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[Dash]

Wow, nice guy.

But maybe you can tell me why is Modi being so stingy? Only a couple of nuclear reactor deals and industrial park deals.

Whereas he already sold India's sovereignty to USA by signing CISMOA/LSA in exchange for NSG support. Surely you think your soveriengty is worth more than a few reactor and industrial park deals?

China and India hardly get along, why should we give you it for free, when you already paid America so much for it? What we are asking for is literally nothing compared to what you already paid to the USA.

Looks you have attained saturation these days and that's why you keep repeating the same sermons.

Sure we don't get along and why should we. But by giving two nuclear reactors aren't we trying. Consider it as a baby step bro. Accept the offer and move along with us and we with you.

The cismoa/LSA can be worked out later. And btw thanks for giving us a seat in SCO.
And if you have more demands then put it on the table. I'm sure we will have enough oxygen for your large heart.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And who are you ? You talk like you are chinese government and trying to craft a deal with india for nsg seat on internet forum.
You know you sound funny, right ?

I am simply asking why India is being so stingy.

They sold their sovereignty to America by signing CISMOA/LSA in exchange for NSG support, and to China they are only offering a few nuclear reactor deals and industrial park deals (if we do not use veto power). Is that really what you think your sovereignty is worth?

Surely it's worth a few more deals. Maybe some more Chinese trains and railways to add to the already existing ones in Delhi metro and Kolkata metro.

 

[neem456]

I am simply asking why India is being so stingy.

They sold their sovereignty to America by signing CISMOA/LSA in exchange for NSG support, and to China they are only offering a few nuclear reactor deals and industrial park deals (if we do not use veto power). Is that really what you think your sovereignty is worth?

Because that is all you are worth it and your foreign minister have already started to bend down just for some reactors.

So why did china bend down so easily just for some reactors ?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Because that is all you are worth it and your foreign minister have already started to bend down just for some reactors.

So why did china bend down so easily just for some reactors ?

That's funny, isn't it India who signed the CISMOA/LSA which allows American troops to operate out of Indian soil?

That's your entire sovereignty you sold for NSG support, and the USA can't even give you a seat because China has veto.

And a few reactors are not enough, you sold your sovereignty to America so we want an equally good deal in terms of reactors, industrial parks, trains/railways, etc. Offer however much you think your sovereignty was worth.

Or maybe you think it really was worth only 2 reactors and 2 industrial parks. Better than nothing I guess.

 

[arbit]

That's funny, isn't it India who signed the CISMOA/LSA which allows American troops to operate out of Indian soil?

That's your entire sovereignty you sold for NSG support, and the USA can't even give you a seat because China has veto.

And a few reactors are not enough, you sold your sovereignty to America so we want an equally good deal in terms of reactors, industrial parks, trains/railways, etc. Offer however much you think your sovereignty was worth.

Or maybe you think it really was worth only 2 reactors and 2 industrial parks. Better than nothing I guess.

Dude you are repetitive.

Still can't get anything original eh (Pun intended)


Edit: on a different note @Chinese-Dragon the saying in my signature. Is the translation correct?

 

[neem456]

That's funny, isn't it India who signed the CISMOA/LSA which allows American troops to operate out of Indian soil?

That's your entire sovereignty you sold for NSG support, and the USA can't even give you a seat because China has veto.

And a few reactors are not enough, you sold your sovereignty to America so we want an equally good deal in terms of reactors, industrial parks, trains/railways, etc. Offer however much you think your sovereignty was worth.

Or maybe you think it really was worth only 2 reactors and 2 industrial parks. Better than nothing I guess.

Well your foreign minister disagrees with you, she has already made a uturn on her statement.

So you did not answer my question, how come she agreed so cheaply for 2 reactors, or was it uncle sam pressure that she gave up ?

Btw, what more do you need to sell out your deeper than sea ally pakistan. They are reading, you can speak out.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Edit: on a different note @Chinese-Dragon the saying in my signature. Is the translation correct?

Yes. The Dragon King controls water, but the water can still destroy his own temple.

So you did not answer my question, how come she agreed so cheaply for 2 reactors, or was it uncle sam pressure that she gave up ?

We did not agree at all. Latest news is that China rejected any mention of it at the Seoul summit.

So clearly this offer was not enough.

 

[neem456]

destroy his own temple.



We did not agree at all. Latest news is that China rejected any mention of it at the Seoul summit.

So clearly this offer was not enough.

NVM that we will come to know on 24th.

Btw you ignore my other question.
What more do you need to sell out your deeper than sea ally pakistan. They are reading, you can speak out.

 

[Nilgiri]

Sign/promise as many MOU's as needed with China for Nuclear trade/investment.

Renege on them later/interpret them as needed once we get NSG membership.

That's what China itself has done countless times worldwide.

If all else fails, just make a new grouping without China and countries can withdraw from NSG as well even once admitted into the new group. That would be pretty hillarious. Then when only China and Turkey are left in NSG, they can admit Pakistan in it ....but by then IAEA would have a better working relationship with the new group (NSG v 2.0) anyway.

Win win for everyone.

Important thing to realise is that China puts a premium on saving face. India administration seems to have realised that, so watch the events unfold this year

 

[Genghis khan1]

India’s NSG bid hits snag: Members rake up non-NPT status, oppose induction
Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey have opposed India's NSG bid citing its non-NPT status.
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Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Updated: June 23, 2016 10:24 pm

According to the Ministry of External Affair (MEA), PM Modi urged China to make a fair and objective assessment of India’s application on merit.
At the Nuclear Security Group plenary meeting in Seoul Thursday, it appears that China is not the sole opponent of India’s induction into the 48-member group.

Brazil, Austria, New Zealand, Ireland and Turkey have opposed India’s NSG bid citing its non-NPT status, according to news agency ANI. Mexico, however, made good of its promise to back India’s bid at the meeting after Prime Minister Narendra Modi sought their support during his recent visit to the country.

It must have come as a surprise to India after Brazil, a key ally and member of the BRICS, has put its foot down against its bid. A clear consensus among the member states is yet to emerge regarding India’s accession to the group.

Interestingly, no discussion took place on the induction of Pakistan to the NSG, despite China backing its bid.

PM Modi today met Chinese President Xi Jinping in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. According to the Ministry of External Affair (MEA), PM Modi urged China to make a fair and objective assessment of India’s application on merit.

Pakistan President, who is also in Tashkent for the SCO, told Xi Jinping that any exemptions given to a country for NSG membership could disturb strategic stability in South Asia.

India currently has the backing of France, USA, Japan among others.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ndia-nsg-bid-meet-seoul-live-updates-2871865/

 

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http://m.economictimes.com/news/def...id-strong-opposition/articleshow/52888358.cms

 

[fsayed]

Take a look at @abpnewshindi's Tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/745981050388545536

 

[Spring Onion]

There was a special meeting called for discussing the possibility. What is the update?

 

[Genghis khan1]

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Big setback to India's NSG dream as multiple countries oppose induction
Narendra Modi (File Photo)
DNA WEB TEAM | Thu, 23 Jun 2016-07:22pm , dna webdesk


The countries' opposition to India's induction in the NSG league could seriously hit India's chances.

In a massive setback to India, China along with three other countries on Thursday including Brazil, Austria and New Zealand opposed India's induction into NSG citing India being a non NPT state.

The plenary session of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) began in Seoul on Thursday as Prime Minister Narendra Modi held parleys with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Tashkent to make a last minute push for New Delhi's entry into the 48-member elite group.

Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar is presently in Seoul to lobby for India's entry into the elite group. Sources told ANI the NSG members will be meeting for a special session in Seoul tonight and India's membership bid is likely to come up for discussion.

Sources also said that the meeting between Prime Minister Modi and Chinese President is crucial in Tashkent because the decision taken there will be informed to the Indian team in Seoul. China, till now, has been playing the role of a dampener on the issue of clearing the way for India's admission to the NSG by repeatedly stating that it is not on the agenda of the grouping, which began its plenary session in Seoul on Monday.

China has maintained that more talks were needed to build a consensus on which countries can join the 48-nation NSG following the United States' push to include India in the elite group. The countries, who oppose India's membership, argue that its inclusion in the group would further undermine efforts to prevent proliferation and also infuriate New Delhi's rival Pakistan.

Islamabad, which enjoys the backing of its close ally China, has also responded to India's membership bid and asked for its admission as well. Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz had said that the government's "active and successful foreign policy" has blocked India's entry into the NSG, adding that New Delhi would not be able to join the group alone.

He also said that he had recently approached many countries, including Russia, Mexico, South Korea and New Zealand, to gain their support on Islamabad's viewpoint that there should be a criteria-based approach while deciding about inclusion of any country into the NSG.

With agency inputs

19:50 IST Thursday, 23 June 2016

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...hree-other-countries-oppose-induction-2227084

 

[dray]

Build up the pressure, it will happen, if not in this time then in next round.