India activates 'secret' undersea missile

[AUSTERLITZ]

Can't pakistan have Choppers with submarine detection devices and depth charges? DO you want to say that Pakistan do not have any counter measure against Submarine?

Believing or not believing is up to you. I do not see any reason of not believing it.

Man,IN totally dominates PN.Pn would be busy with survival,not hunting unknown IN SSBNs.Besides al SSBNs are covered by escorts in 'ssbn bastions'.

 

[Contrarian]

Aside from the LOC skirmishes these days, the missile has something to do with Pakistan. India cannot strike Islamabad from the waters with K-15 (assuming a Pakistani decapitating first strike, worst case scenario).

A decapitation strike would mean that Pakistan should have 100% success in wiping out the entire missile stock of India.

Even in a worst case scenario with a Pakistani first strike, Pakistan does not have enough warheads and missiles to ensure that the majority of Indian arsenal on Indian mainland is wiped off.

 

[Contrarian]

Both BrahMos and Prithvi have not been deployed with Nuclear Warheads. And the I'm doubtful about the figures you quoted from the Indian Media about Prithvi-II's recent test. Is there an official DRDO release which mentions these figures? Because last time I check, Prithvi-II had 250km range with 500kg payload.

Prithvi II is an euphemism.

Every time DRDO tests a new technology/missile they call it a Prithvi II test. Something new is being tested if they are calling it a Prithvi test.

 

[The Deterrent]

A decapitation strike would mean that Pakistan should have 100% success in wiping out the entire missile stock of India.

Even in a worst case scenario with a Pakistani first strike, Pakistan does not have enough warheads and missiles to ensure that the majority of Indian arsenal on Indian mainland is wiped off.

Of course not, but it can be achieved by disabling Command and Control and , say, destroying the exteriors of tunnels housing missiles. I'm not saying Pakistan surely can attempt something like this, but it can cause considerable damage, the extent of which is debatable.

Prithvi II is an euphemism.

Every time DRDO tests a new technology/missile they call it a Prithvi II test. Something new is being tested if they are calling it a Prithvi test.

What new missile do you propose might have been tested instead of Prithvi-II?

 

[kaku1]

Because currently Pakistan does not possess any means to destroy, say, an SSBN in the Indian Ocean or Bay of Bengal for that matter. (too much talk about the future)

Yeah, you are totally correct, with current capability the Pak is unable to detect and destroy the sea bed deterrence, it will be very difficult ( practically impossible) for Pak to detect and destroy the Indian nuke sub even if it is deployed in gulf of eden, leave the Bay of Bengal or Indian Ocean, where IN has the total naval supremacy.

I honestly doubt that, it was an exercise. Anyway, lets wait for official press release.

It is a exercise, or the development test for the very long range SAMs and BMD program, but it is confirmed that it is not deterrence test flight, as now the Prithvi series is retired for such things and only used for tests or R&D.

India deployed Prithvis as initial nuclear deterrents, but removed them later and introduced the more mobile and rapid deployment systems; Agni-II & II.

Yeah you are totally correct, even the Agni-3 which are deployed on chinese borders can also target the Pak cities.

 

[Contrarian]

Of course not, but it can be achieved by disabling Command and Control and , say, destroying the exteriors of tunnels housing missiles. I'm not saying Pakistan surely can attempt something like this, but it can cause considerable damage, the extent of which is debatable.

I agree, Considerable damage .

However even in the most optimistic of optimistic scenario's for Pakistan, its first strike simply does not have the punch to knock out the entire missile launch mechanism of India.

Pakistan has simply too few missiles, too few nukes, too small warheads and a geographically too big neighbour to achieve 100% success.

For all practical purposes, India already possesses second strike against Pakistan.

What new missile do you propose might have been tested instead of Prithvi-II?

Either a new missile or a new major component.
Most new components are tested using the Prithvi shell's.

You know that Agni 4 has a lot of new technology. Its a humungous break from the earlier series of Agni in technology, practically a new design. Almost all components of it were tested initially during development in Prithvi.

 

[The Deterrent]

I agree, Considerable damage .

However even in the most optimistic of optimistic scenario's for Pakistan, its first strike simply does not have the punch to knock out the entire missile launch mechanism of India.

Pakistan has simply too few missiles, too few nukes, too small warheads and a geographically too big neighbour to achieve 100% success.

For all practical purposes, India already possesses second strike against Pakistan.

Then I must say Pakistan has succeeded in downplaying its nuclear arsenal. India's nuclear missiles have a high observable signature, and anything moving that big can be easily spotted by HUMINT. Fictional assumption though.

How so? Aside from the strategic depth and a few underground complexes, there isn't a real sea-based second strike capability in existence.

Either a new missile or a new major component.
Most new components are tested using the Prithvi shell's.

You know that Agni 4 has a lot of new technology. Its a humungous break from the earlier series of Agni in technology, practically a new design. Almost all components of it were tested initially during development in Prithvi.

I see.

 

[klub]

Then I must say Pakistan has succeeded in downplaying its nuclear arsenal. India's nuclear missiles have a high observable signature, and anything moving that big can be easily spotted by HUMINT. Fictional assumption though.

How so? Aside from the strategic depth and a few underground complexes, there isn't a real sea-based second strike capability in existence.



I see.

I hope you do know that we are testing a 3500km SLBM in next 20 days. K - 4.

 

[The Deterrent]

I hope you do know that we are testing a 3500km SLBM in next 20 days. K - 4.

Yes and I also know that its range will go beyond 5000km with one ton payload.
Testing and deploying are two different things, and there is a gap of a few years between them.

 

[kaku1]

I don't see how I derailed the thread. All I said was that K-4 can't be termed as China-specific.
Me and YOUR brethren were having a pretty neat discussion before your "landing".

K-4 is china specific man, it is SLBM, not IRBM.

 

[HariPrasad]

Of course not, but it can be achieved by disabling Command and Control and , say, destroying the exteriors of tunnels housing missiles. I'm not saying Pakistan surely can attempt something like this, but it can cause considerable damage, the extent of which is debatable.

What new missile do you propose might have been tested instead of Prithvi-II?

Pakistan missiles do not have that accuracy to destroy tunnel based missile. You may have to do number of attempts to destroy single tunnel based missile.

Indian command and control system have grown up and it is very robust and it is very difficult to inflict considerable damage with the technology Pakistan posses.

On the other hand India can do all of these much easily to Pakistan with the missile and electronic warfare power they have.

 

[HariPrasad]

Then I must say Pakistan has succeeded in downplaying its nuclear arsenal. India's nuclear missiles have a high observable signature, and anything moving that big can be easily spotted by HUMINT. Fictional assumption though.

How so? Aside from the strategic depth and a few underground complexes, there isn't a real sea-based second strike capability in existence.
I see.

But that requires a robust anti missile defense system to take advantage of signature of missile. (BTW how is it high observable signature compare to pakistan missile? ) What shall you do if you detect missiles in early stage of launch in absence of AMD?

All Indian missile Including old prithvi missiles have good anti BMD measures.

You are downplaying missiles mounted on moving platforms.

 

[The Deterrent]

But that requires a robust anti missile defense system to take advantage of signature of missile. (BTW how is it high observable signature compare to pakistan missile? ) What shall you do if you detect missiles in early stage of launch in absence of AMD?

All Indian missile Including old prithvi missiles have good anti BMD measures.

You are downplaying missiles mounted on moving platforms.

No, no no. You've got me all wrong. By observable signature, I meant the dimensions of the missile TEL.

 

[Dillinger]

@AhaseebA I see you ran into some of our more zealous posters. How goes life?

 

[The Deterrent]

@AhaseebA I see you ran into some of our more zealous posters. How goes life?

Life is going awesome these days! Can't wait to see nukes in the upcoming war!