India Accepts Pakistan Air Force is a Leading Force

[Arsalan]

Did PAF deploy any Jet to shot down Indian Mirages attacking PA outposts?
No they didn't

how many you used in that war ???

Boy, with so much claims of complete air superiority, it was your job to drag PAF into the war. Attacking deep inside Pakistan, attacking air bases, etc to force PAF to fly so your super jet can go for the kill...
Didi this happened?
NO!!!
Why?
Because IAF always knew that this wont be the case, the PAF wont be a sitting duck!!

regards!

 

[Alphacharlie]

Irfan Baloch - Please close this useless Thread.

 

[SEAL]

PAF is in process of modernization with JF-17 and J-10B and currently ahead of India, IAF is struggling
Squadrons numbers are going down crashes but SU-30MKI are coming, Mirage and Mig-29s getting upgrades.MRCA deliveries will start from 2015 and PAK-FA in 2020.

IAF definitely have problems but temporary for the period 5,7 years after that they will be in stable position.

Our armed forces are not technology oriented we lost so many precious lives which can be avoided if have latest technology and considering the future inductions of India if they won't change their mindset we are going to pay heavy price.

 

[Paan Singh]

PAF is in process of modernization with JF-17 and J-10B and currently ahead of India, IAF is struggling
Squadrons numbers are going down crashes but SU-30MKI are coming, Mirage and Mig-29s getting upgrades.MRCA deliveries will start from 2015 and PAK-FA in 2020.

IAF definitely have problems but temporary for the period 5,7 years after that they will be in stable position.

Our armed forces are not technology oriented we lost so many precious lives which can be avoided if have latest technology and considering the future inductions of India if they won't change their mindset we are going to pay heavy price.

No sir,Oldies are replaced by MKI's and leave MMRCA etc...they will add extra punch.
and when j-10 B was included? ..only one is jf-17

 

[AUz]

Well as some senior member said ... PAF is acquiring new JF-17 Thunders , F-16 Block 52+ etc ... The older F-16s are being upgraded to block 52 standards ... and PAF will eventually phase out old platforms like Mirage etc ...

So overall : Pakistan Air Force would be a smaller but a leaner and hard-hitting air force equipped with BVR fighters , AWACS , tankers , anti-radiation missiles , all kind of bombs and what not?

Pakistani skies are safe from Indian threat. IAF will not dare to do any misadventure...unless offcourse they want a TOTAL WAR!

To little bharti kids trolling : Kiddos , see the previous record.. PAF ALWAYS r*ped IAF in previous air-engagements...even senior indian members accept that...

Pakistan Air Force has an experience of fighting Soviet Union , Republic of India , and state of Israel etc ... What does IAF got?

(I'm not talking about Exercises & training here ....where again PAF dwarfs iaf in experience and scope..)

 

[Mav3rick]

IN REPLY to FORCE TRIP

IF you call inducting 272 su30mki by 2016
126 RAFALE F3 by 2022
Limited induction of the indian version of the PAK FA

edging ahead THEN you have great confidence on the JFT thunder programme.

Just to try and make you understand THE combined acqusition COST of 272 SU30MKI & 126 MMRCA is over $30 billion

India defence budget today stands at $40 billion VERSIS pakisdtan at under $7 billion

You cant to great deals with $7billion even with CHINA

YOU people are banking on training , morale and a local defensive posture to stay in the fight with IAF in the future.

THE IAF is investing massively on WORLD CLASS offensive capability...

Whether they can USE the rafales & Phalcons effectively is my doubt

You've hit the jackpot, sort of.

IAF is spending on 'Offensive' capabilites while PAF is seeking 'defensive' capabilities. Both forces have quite different basic doctrines and when IAF enters PAF air space, they take on a complex network of multiple layers of SAM systems + ground based EW systems and AEWACS. Plus IAF cannot risk sending in their entire AF against PAF as they have to keep some on other borders. Most probably it would be 60-70% of the IAF against PAF + SAMS + AEWACS etc.

May just even out the odds somewhat. Besides when you consider 2016 or 2022, you must take into account PAF acquisitions as well. It won't just be JF-17's and F-16's, there will be a other families of J's to answer.

^ Spot on......

Exactly our country is just too big and we have threat from other side too.....so we have to purchase more and more weapons, and people shouldn't teach us to invest it in our other social issues, or blame us for arms race. Afterall its matter of our defense.

There are other ways to solve all outstanding issues, it will have to be a give and take scenario in a war too so why not consider a peace time give and take situation and solve all the problems that you have with your neighbors?

 

[Alphacharlie]

You've hit the jackpot, sort of.

IAF is spending on 'Offensive' capabilites while PAF is seeking 'defensive' capabilities. Both forces have quite different basic doctrines and when IAF enters PAF air space, they take on a complex network of multiple layers of SAM systems + ground based EW systems and AEWACS. Plus IAF cannot risk sending in their entire AF against PAF as they have to keep some on other borders. Most probably it would be 60-70% of the IAF against PAF + SAMS + AEWACS etc.

May just even out the odds somewhat. Besides when you consider 2016 or 2022, you must take into account PAF acquisitions as well. It won't just be JF-17's and F-16's, there will be a other families of J's to answer.



There are other ways to solve all outstanding issues, it will have to be a give and take scenario in a war too so why not consider a peace time give and take situation and solve all the problems that you have with your neighbors?

Sir - To answer your Question in One Line --As per Orbat only 6 Sqns of MKI are more than enough for Entire PAF.

Lets stop this useless Thread.

 

[AUz]

Sir - To answer your Question in One Line --As per Orbat only 6 Sqns of MKI are more than enough for Entire PAF.

Lets stop this useless Thread.

Janu , I wish Aerial Warfare was that simplistic.

Please stop making these jingoistic posts....

A full-blown war between PAF vs IAF over subcontinental skies will be intense ! We have seen it in the past , we will see it in the future (hopefully not!) ...

Your Su-30MKI's are not F-22As ...Please bear that in mind.

Do you think 80-120 Su-30 MKI's will 'easily run over' a massive Air Force comprising of ~ 60-70 F-16s block 52/52+ , 40-70 JF-17 Thunders , 100+ Miraage III/Vs , AWACS , SAM missiles , SD-10 BVRs , AIM-120C BVRs , Anti-Radiation Missiles , nuclear-capable stand-off weapons like Ra'ad , a completely operational multi-layered radar network etc etc

What a joke!

Your IAF is in no position of establishing a decisive air-superiority over Pakistan's skies...

 

[kṣamā]

Man this thread is going nuts. I cannot stand the "mera wala sabse bada" contest... Mods pls for heavens sake close this thread

 

[OrionHunter]

Do you think 80-120 Su-30 MKI's will 'easily run over' a massive Air Force comprising of ~ 60-70 F-16s block 52/52+ , 40-70 JF-17 Thunders , 100+ Miraage III/Vs , AWACS , SAM missiles , SD-10 BVRs , AIM-120C BVRs , Anti-Radiation Missiles , nuclear-capable stand-off weapons like Ra'ad , a completely operational multi-layered radar network etc etc

What a joke!

Your IAF is in no position of establishing a decisive air-superiority over Pakistan's skies...

Oh yeah! That's just great! Now for the million dollar question: How long would the fuel last for running your Thunders and F-16s? Five days? 10? And what then? You can't run a Ferrari on a litre of gas for more than a few minutes, can you? Then you just have to jack it up in the garage!

Hint: Target No1 for interdiction - oil/fuel dumps/depots. All within range due to Pakistan's geography which lacks strategic depth. Ok, nuff said!

Cheers!

 

[Alphacharlie]

Janu , I wish Aerial Warfare was that simplistic.

Please stop making these jingoistic posts....

A full-blown war between PAF vs IAF over subcontinental skies will be intense ! We have seen it in the past , we will see it in the future (hopefully not!) ...

Your Su-30MKI's are not F-22As ...Please bear that in mind.

Do you think 80-120 Su-30 MKI's will 'easily run over' a massive Air Force comprising of ~ 60-70 F-16s block 52/52+ , 40-70 JF-17 Thunders , 100+ Miraage III/Vs , AWACS , SAM missiles , SD-10 BVRs , AIM-120C BVRs , Anti-Radiation Missiles , nuclear-capable stand-off weapons like Ra'ad , a completely operational multi-layered radar network etc etc

What a joke!

Your IAF is in no position of establishing a decisive air-superiority over Pakistan's skies...

Sunny Jim---You are living in Illusion. Better you keep Assuming.....

 

[acetophenol]

Janu , I wish Aerial Warfare was that simplistic.

Please stop making these jingoistic posts....

A full-blown war between PAF vs IAF over subcontinental skies will be intense ! We have seen it in the past , we will see it in the future (hopefully not!) ...

Your Su-30MKI's are not F-22As ...Please bear that in mind.

Do you think 80-120 Su-30 MKI's will 'easily run over' a massive Air Force comprising of ~ 60-70 F-16s block 52/52+ , 40-70 JF-17 Thunders , 100+ Miraage III/Vs , AWACS , SAM missiles , SD-10 BVRs , AIM-120C BVRs , Anti-Radiation Missiles , nuclear-capable stand-off weapons like Ra'ad , a completely operational multi-layered radar network etc etc

What a joke!

Your IAF is in no position of establishing a decisive air-superiority over Pakistan's skies...

India already has,
1. 160+ Su 30 mki,60+ mig 29s, 40 mirage 2000s, 120 mig 21 bisons, 100+ mig 21s,and jags,mig 27s are capable of defending themselves.
2. A wide range of Air to Air arsenal
3. An army which is self sufficient in logistics
4. Airforce has its own mature surface to air capability,and ballistic missile capability
5.Army has its own air defence corps which is among the largest in the world
6. Navy capable of enforcing naval blockades
7. Navy with strong naval aviation,air defence capabilities and a ballistic missile capability
8. Strong international ties
9. Strong coast guard

 

[Bobby]

War is not fought only by planes, tanks and missiles. you need a good economy, infrastructure, oil reserve as back up.

If you don't good backup, no air-force can win war for you.....

 

[AUz]

Oh yeah! That's just great! Now for the million dollar question: How long would the fuel last for running your Thunders and F-16s? Five days? 10? And what then? You can't run a Ferrari on a litre of gas for more than a few minutes, can you? Then you just have to jack it up in the garage!

Hint: Target No1 for interdiction - oil/fuel dumps/depots. All within range due to Pakistan's geography which lacks strategic depth. Ok, nuff said!

Cheers!

Ok.....and you are a Senior Member

Sunny Jim---You are living in Illusion. Better you keep Assuming.....

Dear Don Xiquote ....only YOU are the one living in your bharti fantasies....

Best of luck with 6 squadrons of MKI defeating entire PAF ....LOL.

War is not fought only by planes, tanks and missiles. you need a good economy, infrastructure, oil reserve as back up.

If you don't good backup, no air-force can win war for you.....

We all know.

Any future war between India and Pakistan would comprise of MAXIMUM 25 days...!! Nothing more than that...And Pakistani economy can sustain a full-fledged war with India for 1.5 months easily....

So we are O.K with that.

You can not win any war against us , neither can we.

Any future war b/w India-Pakistan is very highly unlikely.

Pakistan has been successful in establishing a credible permanent strategic-balance vis-a-vis India....

 

[acetophenol]

Ok.....and you are a Senior Member



Little Don Xiquote ....only YOU are the one living in your bharti fantasies....

Best of luck with 6 squadrons of MKI defeating entire PAF ....LOL.

Why can't you give genuine answers to the GENUINE points rised?