India Accepts Pakistan Air Force is a Leading Force

[Arsalan]

BVR less PAF in 1998 would Shot down BVR equipped Mig 29 and mirage??

How may of PAF BRV less planes were shot down by the BVR equipped IAF planes in Kargil war?

Words not expected from a think tank

Better have a look at some Indian posts and will see the reason..
But wait.. Leave it, point taken, no use to replying troll!
thanks for reminding me..

regards!

 

[illusion8]

there is nothing crucial about it

India is looking beyond this region. its air force is a deep strike air force at a regional level if not world level yet.
Pakistan on the other hand has restricted itself to self defence and minimum deterrence.

the technological and power gap is big already as we stand, by the time MMRCA would have been inducted fully and Indian Mig 21s would have been phased out then this difference will be even huge.

lets not see PAF beyond its role and capacity.

Rightly said IrfanJi, India is looking at both deep strike and defensive as a mix owing to the proximity of it's adversaries, it also intends to use it's aircraft carriers to have an operational area extension, presently concentrate in the Indian ocean and later increase the area quite similar to the USN but to a lesser degree.

PAF seems to have concentrated on a hugely defensive role minimizing it's deep strike capability due to quantitative difference between both the forces. PAF probably feels they can do a much better job of defending, also targeting of Indian bases and installations could be carried out by missiles.

 

[gslv mk3]

How may of PAF BRV less planes were shot down by the BVR equipped IAF planes in Kargil war?

Did PAF deploy any Jet to shot down Indian Mirages attacking PA outposts?
No they didn't

How may of PAF BRV less planes were shot down by the BVR equipped IAF planes in Kargil war?

Did PAF deploy any Jet to shot down Indian Mirages attacking PA outposts?
No they didn't

 

[Mav3rick]

Did PAF deploy any Jet to shot down Indian Mirages attacking PA outposts?
No they didn't

Kid, please!!!

 

[gslv mk3]

Kid, please!!!

Which jet then?Answer my Question

 

[gslv mk3]

PAF is either Made in China or Made in USA.......so in reality it is CAF or USAF

Sir what do yo mean by it?By the way Chinese air force is PLAAF

 

[Storm Force]

IN REPLY to FORCE TRIP

Next 5 to 10 years will be crucial in determining where both forces stand. From what it looks like India will edge ahead if it goes through its plans without hiccups. Hiccups here would mean if India does its acquisitions how its been doing it for the past 30 years. A huge gap happens if a project or acquisition is a few years late.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...air-force-leading-force-27.html#ixzz23SF62re6

IF you call inducting 272 su30mki by 2016
126 RAFALE F3 by 2022
Limited induction of the indian version of the PAK FA

edging ahead THEN you have great confidence on the JFT thunder programme.

Just to try and make you understand THE combined acqusition COST of 272 SU30MKI & 126 MMRCA is over $30 billion

India defence budget today stands at $40 billion VERSIS pakisdtan at under $7 billion

You cant to great deals with $7billion even with CHINA

YOU people are banking on training , morale and a local defensive posture to stay in the fight with IAF in the future.

THE IAF is investing massively on WORLD CLASS offensive capability...

Whether they can USE the rafales & Phalcons effectively is my doubt

 

[Ammyy]

How may of PAF BRV less planes were shot down by the BVR equipped IAF planes in Kargil war?

regards!

how many you used in that war ???

 

[illusion8]

IN REPLY to FORCE TRIP

IF you call inducting 272 su30mki by 2016
126 RAFALE F3 by 2022
Limited induction of the indian version of the PAK FA

THE IAF is investing massively on WORLD CLASS offensive capability...

Whether they can USE the rafales & Phalcons effectively is my doubt

Add carrier bound Mig 29's plus naval version of LCA or Rafale, a fifth gen plane in the works, P8I's to aid IN against subs, plenty of Heli's including the apache crossbow, LCH's and heavy lift a/c's to transport them, to the mix and we have a potent force looking at extending it's area of operation.

 

[Edevelop]

IN REPLY to FORCE TRIP

IF you call inducting 272 su30mki by 2016
126 RAFALE F3 by 2022
Limited induction of the indian version of the PAK FA

edging ahead THEN you have great confidence on the JFT thunder programme.

Just to try and make you understand THE combined acqusition COST of 272 SU30MKI & 126 MMRCA is over $30 billion

India defence budget today stands at $40 billion VERSIS pakisdtan at under $7 billion

You cant to great deals with $7billion even with CHINA

YOU people are banking on training , morale and a local defensive posture to stay in the fight with IAF in the future.

THE IAF is investing massively on WORLD CLASS offensive capability...

Whether they can USE the rafales & Phalcons effectively is my doubt

I reckon it is still PAF that has the advantage.... Your country is just too big! Though you may have 1.5 to 2x more fleet, at the same time, your country's area is 4x bigger than us. lol.

 

[IceCold]

IN REPLY to FORCE TRIP

IF you call inducting 272 su30mki by 2016
126 RAFALE F3 by 2022
Limited induction of the indian version of the PAK FA

edging ahead THEN you have great confidence on the JFT thunder programme.

Just to try and make you understand THE combined acqusition COST of 272 SU30MKI & 126 MMRCA is over $30 billion

India defence budget today stands at $40 billion VERSIS pakisdtan at under $7 billion

You cant to great deals with $7billion even with CHINA

YOU people are banking on training , morale and a local defensive posture to stay in the fight with IAF in the future.

THE IAF is investing massively on WORLD CLASS offensive capability...

Whether they can USE the rafales & Phalcons effectively is my doubt

And you are assuming that PAF isnt going to induct anything new in all this time frame or perhaps our economy will remain the same in the next decade as well and so will be our under 7 billion defense budget?
Lets get few things straight shall we?
First of all we do not compete with IAF weapons vs weapons, it simply does not make sense considering the size of both nations
Second PAF is a defensive force with a limited strike capability, the primary strike role will now reside in our missile capability.
Third do not forget that while you mention a huge list every time there is a PAF vs IAF discussion, not all of those assets will be posed at Pakistan, you have China to worry about. The reason so many inductions within IAF is going on is not PAF but PLAAF. You guys want to match China, not Pakistan while on the other hand every thing we induct is and will be focused towards IAF.
You can do the maths.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves and see things into perspective, the way they are meant to be seen.

 

[KRAIT]

^ Spot on......

I reckon it is still PAF that has the advantage.... Your country is just too big! Though you may have 1.5 to 2x more fleet, at the same time, your country's area is 4x bigger than us. lol.

Exactly our country is just too big and we have threat from other side too.....so we have to purchase more and more weapons, and people shouldn't teach us to invest it in our other social issues, or blame us for arms race. Afterall its matter of our defense.

 

[prototype]

And you are assuming that PAF isnt going to induct anything new in all this time frame or perhaps our economy will remain the same in the next decade as well and so will be our under 7 billion defense budget?
Lets get few things straight shall we?
First of all we do not compete with IAF weapons vs weapons, it simply does not make sense considering the size of both nations
Second PAF is a defensive force with a limited strike capability, the primary strike role will now reside in our missile capability.
Third do not forget that while you mention a huge list every time there is a PAF vs IAF discussion, not all of those assets will be posed at Pakistan, you have China to worry about. The reason so many inductions within IAF is going on is not PAF but PLAAF. You guys want to match China, not Pakistan while on the other hand every thing we induct is and will be focused towards IAF.
You can do the maths.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves and see things into perspective, the way they are meant to be seen.

No, not actually, China and PLAAF is just an excuse,we dont see any kind of skirmish happening of any potential threat in the near future, China too is involved in much bigger issues right now then the Indian border, believe it or not each and every offensive capability of India is pointed towards Pakistan.

And if the gap keeps continue to grow which is happening, your minimum deterrence will be of not much use untill and unless you do something to improve the scenario which under your current defense budget does not seem possible.

Given that you are already spending more than 3 % of your gdp of defense means and further increase is equal to pulling u closer to the threshold.

 

[A.Rafay]

My signature tells something to indians.You dont have better pilots

 

[IceCold]

No, not actually, China and PLAAF is just an excuse,we dont see any kind of skirmish happening of any potential threat in the near future, China too is involved in much bigger issues right now then the Indian border, believe it or not each and every offensive capability of India is pointed towards Pakistan.

And if the gap keeps continue to grow which is happening, your minimum deterrence will be of not much use untill and unless you do something to improve the scenario which under your current defense budget does not seem possible.

Given that you are already spending more than 3 % of your gdp of defense means and further increase is equal to pulling u closer to the threshold.

The statement of your army chief, the test of agni 5 points an entirely different scenario, much different from just being an excuse.
Like i mentioned in my previous post, you guys are assuming that Pakistan economy will remain the same while yours will continue to grow which will result in increasing the gap. I can assure you that is not the case because this is not how things work, no economy will remain the same and more importantly while the gap might increase, it will never increase beyond a certain threshold. You can take example of Indian procurement and then compare it with Pakistan, you will realize we have narrowed the gap pretty much as of now(AWACS, refuelers, BVR, F-16s, JF-17). Your future acquisitions should not be brought into discussion, since India is still in the process of acquiring them and considering how slow your whole process is, i being a Pakistani is not worried about it at all.