India abandons quest for permanent UN Security Council seat

[jdme]

What a junk article, not even worth a read.

Posted here by a Pakistani member who after various objections about it's legitimacy came to conclusion that India was shut out. Yep, they like to contradict themselves every 10 posts. Keep us mighty confused. Just wait for another "revelation"

 

[Pfpilot]

People always resist change in any form, justifying it with illogical ideals that are no longer of any relevance. I dont understand why India does not have a permanent seat...with 1/6 of the worlds population, a rapidly expanding economy...it is only a matter of time before India is a major player on the world stage and whether it has a seat or not, it will be highly relevant on the global scale.
It would make more sense to give them the seat now, instead of arguing over it for the next 10 years, at which point the place India holds in world politics will be too strong to deprive them any longer...but alas, people dont change things until change hits them in the face.
The French got a seat after getting decimated in world war 2 and having hardly been in a position of power without being propped up by the other allies...so logic and reason was never the basis for such a council...whatever their ever changing criteria is, leaving India out is still confusing.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Another entry to add to india's long list of failures.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I think it is time to abandon the UNSC altogether! Why should countries be allowed to 'veto' the will of the majority of UNGA initiatives? At least remove the damned veto rights.

The UNSC is basically not much more than a bargaining club where different powers bargain--perhaps diplomatically barter--for policies favoring them. One powers gets to invade a place while the other powers get to wait for their respective terms.

The veto-power is one of the most undemocratic establishment in the world.

The UN is a microcosm of the real world.

Without the UN, the world would just be "America says this... so do it".

Veto power at least gives countries like Russia/China/France a chance to poke them in the eye once in a while. Or even general assembly members.

So having the UN, is more democratic than not having one. Since this way, other countries can at least have a say, even if they are eventually ignored.

 

[jdme]

Another entry to add to india's long list of failures.

Ofcourse. You know them so well

 

[Mumbai Man]

Another entry to add to india's long list of failures.

you mistakenly entered India in place of Pakistan...Kindly correct it

 

[jdme]

The UN is a microcosym of the real world.

Without the UN, the world would just be "America says this... so do it".

Veto power at least gives countries like Russia/China/France a chance to poke them in the eye once in a while. Or even general assembly members.

So having the UN, is more democratic than not having one. Since this way, other countries can at least have a say.

I am pretty sure, world is "US says this..." China's voting record in UNSC proves that

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I am pretty sure, world is "US says this..." China's voting record in UNSC proves that

Finish reading my post.

Since this way, other countries can at least have a say, even if they are eventually ignored.

 

[wealdcn017]

I am pretty sure when China, Russia..joined UN P-5 they were quite poor too.

do not you know america want to formate G2 with china?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

do not you know america want to formate G2 with china?

Wen Jiabao turned down the "G-2" idea though.

Because we want a multipolar world, not a bi-polar world.

 

[jdme]

do not you know america want to formate G2 with china?

And once upon a time, USSR was a superpower..your point being?

 

[Meengla]

Wen Jiabao turned down the "G-2" idea though.

Because we want a multipolar world, not a bi-polar world.

Hmmm. I doubt that China would let go of any 'bipolar' world view.
Why would China not grab the opportunity to have its own Munroe Doctrine? Why not divide up the world with America in such a way that pesky little problems like Taiwan, Vietnam are taken care of while the US looks the other way in return for the US doing as it pleases in other richer lands without the fear of the veto?

As to your other assertion, yes, the UN itself is a microcosm of the world but not the UNSC. UNSC is undemocratic. At least remove the veto rights.

 

[Zabaniyah]

And once upon a time, USSR was a superpower..your point being?

And your point being?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Hmmm. I doubt that China would let go of any 'bipolar' world view.
Why would China not grab the opportunity to have its own Munroe Doctrine? Why not divide up the world with America in such a way that pesky little problems like Taiwan, Vietnam are taken care of while the US looks the other way in return for the US doing as it pleases in other richer lands without the fear of the veto?

Tell that to Wen Jiabao, he already rejected the G-2 idea.

Besides, the US already looks the other way on almost everything we do, including the recent Sino-Pakistani nuclear deal.

They say a few token words for public consumption, but they don't actually do anything to stop it.

 

[jdme]

And your point being?

You are not very smart, jumping in a random discussion?