IND ahead of BD, PAK in reducing multidimensional poverty: UNDP/OPHI

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq @Wood @Baba_Yaga @BananaRepublicUK @UKBengali @bluesky

What is going on? Brofessor sb jawab do! Jawab do!Jawab do!

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/publications/additional-files/2022-10/2022_mpi_statistical_data_table_1_and_2_en.xlsx

India has forged ahead of PAK, BD in reducing multidimensional poverty as per the latest release by UNDP OPHI MPI for 2022.

For India the score is 0.069 (16% headcount, 42% extent of deprivation) ahead of NEP 0.074 (17.5%, 42%), BD 0.104 (24.6%, 42%), PAK 0.198 (38.3%, 52%). SL still remains tops in South Asia with a score of 0.011.

Lower the score, better it is.

Regards

 

[VkdIndian]

Brofessor

First @RiazHaq will write an article in his own blog (which has been given a misleading name) then come and quote that article as a proof of analysis in his post. He believes in 360 degree solution. End to end.
Thoda time to do Brofresser sahab ko?

 

[Skull and Bones]

Not too late to catch the manufacturing bus.

 

[Wood]

India should aim to improve its own score in a YoY basis. I do not fancy comparison with other equally poor countries to feel gratification. But having said that, the comparative scores do pip my curiosity because India scored so poorly (in relative comparison) on the Global Hunger (Nutrition) index that was released recently. So looking at this report for a few minutes shows that despite the variation in ranking, both reports do not necessarily contradict each other. Relevant observations I made are based on the following screens. I'll let the readers make their own inference on the matter.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Wood Saar

YoY experience

As per MPI 2014 report, India's score was 0.29 (54% poverty rate, 53% extent of deprivation). As you can see there has been a substantial improvement. BD (0.17) and PAK (0.21) were much better off then.

MPI v/s GHI

GHI focuses largely on child health as a proximity of hunger. MPI captures education, income, access to sanitation, clean cooking fuels, water etc

Regards

 

[Wood]

MPI v/s GHI

GHI focuses largely on child health as a proximity of hunger. MPI captures education, income, access to sanitation, clean cooking fuels, water etc

Yes, but check India's nutrition score in MPI. It is consistent with the observation made by GHI. India however performs better in overall MPI because of education.

EDIT: It would be interesting to see women education metrics in South Asia to see if that explains India's clear lead in that particular sphere.

 

[RiazHaq]

@RiazHaq @Wood @Baba_Yaga @BananaRepublicUK @UKBengali @bluesky

What is going on? Brofessor sb jawab do! Jawab do!Jawab do!

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/publications/additional-files/2022-10/2022_mpi_statistical_data_table_1_and_2_en.xlsx

India has forged ahead of PAK, BD in reducing multidimensional poverty as per the latest release by UNDP OPHI MPI for 2022.

For India the score is 0.069 (16% headcount, 42% extent of deprivation) ahead of NEP 0.074 (17.5%, 42%), BD 0.104 (24.6%, 42%), PAK 0.198 (38.3%, 52%). SL still remains tops in South Asia with a score of 0.011.

Lower the score, better it is.

Regards

The title of the UNDP paper is "Unpacking Deprivation Bundle". Below is an excerpt from it:

"The analysis first looks at the most common deprivation profiles across 111 developing countries (figure 1). The most common profile, affecting 3.9 percent of poor people, includes deprivations in exactly four indicators: nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing.7 More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf

 

[VkdIndian]

The fact that there are quite a lot of people who struggle to put food on table is a challenge in itself. Comparison with neighbours has only one value - to give perspective of what can be learnt from them or to stay away from.

I wouldn’t care what the score is, if no one sleeps hungry, anywhere in the country. Current government guaranteed food program has been a big success in this direction. It ensured basic food for millions of people during COVID induced job losses. Without this program probably tens of millions would have been affected very badly.
This observation is not based on any survey or data but by asking poor people during interactions while travelling across the country.

These reports also have few countries that have improved their ranking remarkably over these years. Time to be humble and learn from them.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq

Brofessor sb,

More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile

The implication of this is that India's bottom 5% is worse off than Pak/BD's bottom 5%. The other cohorts would be similar to BD and much better off than Pak. That would be the correct interpretation, right?

Regards

 

[RiazHaq]

@RiazHaq

Brofessor sb,

More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile

The implication of this is that India's bottom 5% is worse off than Pak/BD's bottom 5%. The other cohorts would be similar to BD and much better off than Pak. That would be the correct interpretation, right?

Regards

The headline multidimensional poverty (MPI) figures for Pakistan (0.198) are worse than for Bangladesh (0.104) and India (0.069). This is primarily due to the education deficit in Pakistan. UNDP's report titled "Unpacking Deprivation Bundle" shows that an average Pakistani still enjoys a better "standard of living" than his/her counterparts in Bangladesh and India. Below is an excerpt from it:

"The analysis first looks at the most common deprivation profiles across 111 developing countries (figure 1). The most common profile, affecting 3.9 percent of poor people, includes deprivations in exactly four indicators: nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing.7 More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf


Also note in this UNDP report that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

Living standards (Cooking fuel Sanitation Drinking water Electricity Housing Assets) of the poor in Pakistan (31.1%) are better than in Bangladesh (45.1%) and India (38.5%).

Pakistan fares worse in terms of education (41.3%) indicators relative to Bangladesh (37.6%) and India (28.2%).

In terms of health, Pakistan ( 27.6%) fares better than India (32.2%) but worse than Bangladesh (17.3%).

In terms of population vulnerable to poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%)

 

[nahtanbob]

The headline multidimensional poverty (MPI) figures for Pakistan (0.198) are worse than for Bangladesh (0.104) and India (0.069). This is primarily due to the education deficit in Pakistan. UNDP's report titled "Unpacking Deprivation Bundle" shows that an average Pakistani still enjoys a better "standard of living" than his/her counterparts in Bangladesh and India. Below is an excerpt from it:

"The analysis first looks at the most common deprivation profiles across 111 developing countries (figure 1). The most common profile, affecting 3.9 percent of poor people, includes deprivations in exactly four indicators: nutrition, cooking fuel, sanitation and housing.7 More than 45.5 million poor people are deprived in only these four indicators.8 Of those people, 34.4 million live in India, 2.1 million in Bangladesh and 1.9 million in Pakistan—making this a predominantly South Asian profile "

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf


Also note in this UNDP report that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

Living standards (Cooking fuel Sanitation Drinking water Electricity Housing Assets) of the poor in Pakistan (31.1%) are better than in Bangladesh (45.1%) and India (38.5%).

Pakistan fares worse in terms of education (41.3%) indicators relative to Bangladesh (37.6%) and India (28.2%).

In terms of health, Pakistan ( 27.6%) fares better than India (32.2%) but worse than Bangladesh (17.3%).

In terms of population vulnerable to poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%)

The basic difference between Pakistan and India/Bangladesh is that Pakistan has a perennial begging bowl

 

[Wood]

Living standards (Cooking fuel Sanitation Drinking water Electricity Housing Assets) of the poor in Pakistan (31.1%) are better than in Bangladesh (45.1%) and India (38.5%).

Pakistan fares worse in terms of education (41.3%) indicators relative to Bangladesh (37.6%) and India (28.2%).

In terms of health, Pakistan ( 27.6%) fares better than India (32.2%) but worse than Bangladesh (17.3%).

In terms of population vulnerable to poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%)

Is it possible that you have misattributed "Contribution of deprivation in dimension to overall multidimensional poverty" to "People who are multidimensionally poor and deprived in each indicator"

https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/...22_mpi_statistical_data_table_1_and_2_en.xlsx

Check second sheet in the above workbook

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@RiazHaq @Wood

I am afraid Wood Saar is correct, what the number you have shown is the contribution of that particular factor to deprivation.

For instance, if you go to Sheet 2, you realise that 31% of PAK doesnt have access to clean cooking fuel, only 13% Indians dont. Now the fun part- only 11% Indians dont have access to sanitation, 21% of Pak doesnt.

Regards

 

[VkdIndian]

Finally the fight boils down to, who is less wretched and poor. Or whose poor is less poor than the other’s poor.
I say -Very poor state of affairs.

 

[RiazHaq]

The figures quoted below are from table 1 page 32 of the following PDF titled "Multidimensional Poverty Index: developing countries"

https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/hdp-document/2022mpireportenpdf.pdf


Note that the income poverty (people living on $1.90 or less per day) in Pakistan is 3.6% while it is 22.5% in India and 14.3% in Bangladesh.

Living standards (Cooking fuel Sanitation Drinking water Electricity Housing Assets) of the poor in Pakistan (31.1%) are better than in Bangladesh (45.1%) and India (38.5%).

Pakistan fares worse in terms of education (41.3%) indicators relative to Bangladesh (37.6%) and India (28.2%).

In terms of health, Pakistan ( 27.6%) fares better than India (32.2%) but worse than Bangladesh (17.3%).

In terms of population vulnerable to poverty, Pakistan (12.9%) does better than Bangladesh (18.2%) and India (18.7%)