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Kids? Let me ask you something....how long do you think it would take to clear a Area with lets say 20 or 30 buildings? Come back to me when you have a answer......I know what it took the guys i was with...i also know how long it would take a elite unit to do.

NSG wont take a minute extra then your team would have done ,but tell me how many times has your unit have secured a 6 floor 5 star hotel with 700 plus rooms and room occupancy of 80 % with terrorist armed with AK-47 and grenades and who were creating fires to stop the advance and knew the whole hotel layout ???

i donot think your team was ever in this situation ,if yes please do tell me something about the mission
 
Jews were not killed by Incompetant Commandos.. They were killed because of f@#king Extremist Islamic Jihadi comming from our own neighbourhood of Islamic Wonderland....
 
Jews were not killed by Incompetant Commandos.. They were killed because of f@#king Extremist Islamic Jihadi comming from our own neighbourhood of Islamic Wonderland....

Cut the crap. BS statements like these with nothing to back them up other then your trashy BR mentality will bring no good, not here on the forum and not to the deceased ones who lost their lives. I am reporting you for starting a flame war for absolutely no reason at all.
 
Cut the crap. BS statements like these with nothing to back them up other then your trashy BR mentality will bring no good, not here on the forum and not to the deceased ones who lost their lives. I am reporting you for starting a flame war for absolutely no reason at all.

What the crap u r talking about.. This whole thread is started by a crap so u don't have anything to say about my crap.. Instead of denouncing the act of these terrorist u are trying to find out the failure of NSG and discussing here as a big achievement.. Whole Mubai episode is failure on all parts.. means in Jihadi's parts also..(one is caught alive)..
Can you tel me how should NSG tackle down these fidayeen those motive was only Mass-acre.. and get Martyr..
Stop saying crap i will stop so...
 
This is damn stupid. How can all the hostages be killed by cammondos when no hostage died in other hostage areas?????. Use some common sense. All the hostages were killed even before commandos arrived.

They were not any ordinary kidnappers who wr asking for some demands to be met.. That was fidayeen attack and no one (ny person) can think about any hostage will be there.. Think man why will they keep hostage if they are fulfilling some holy $hit....
 
What the crap u r talking about.. This whole thread is started by a crap so u don't have anything to say about my crap.. Instead of denouncing the act of these terrorist u are trying to find out the failure of NSG and discussing here as a big achievement.. Whole Mubai episode is failure on all parts.. means in Jihadi's parts also..(one is caught alive)..
Can you tel me how should NSG tackle down these fidayeen those motive was only Mass-acre.. and get Martyr..
Stop saying crap i will stop so...

Like i said get it over with. Without generalizing dicuss what the ******* topic is. NSG faliure or not, every body is entitled to his opinion, yours wasnt an opinion when you called another country, who's by the way the forum that you are on too belongs too, islamic wonder land.
As for denouncing the act, every single Pakistani has done that already here on the forum and in general, what really needs to be addressed is the kind of mentality that you freaking idiots carry here and that is to blame Pakistan right after something happens in India and that too every single time. So get it over with and stop wasting bandwidth, if you are so allergic to criticism, better join BR where you will find many of your type who all cheer about all well in India while bashing Pakistan all the time.
 
The incompetence in the assaults is not even necessarily a terribly important issue. All the commandos needed to be was relatively more competent than the terrorists. The issue was the time it took. Imagine for a moment that instead of targeting these big hotels, the terrorists chose a soccer game? A single untrained shooter with a glock 19 pistol killed 33 people and wounded 23 in 11 minutes at Virginia Tech before the police managed to get past chained doors and he shot himself. 10 terrorist with bombs and assault rifles could have easily killed 1500-2000 people so long as they picked target locations carefully.
The Issue is of course, none of the rich people in India would care if a couple thousand cheap-seaters got whacked. What the terrorist wanted was a media spectacle, and that is what they got.

It took 10 hours for DSG to even get to Mumbai, and then they sat around waiting for the Mumbai police to get buses. They could have taken taxis from base to the local airport, chartered a plane to Mumbai, and taken taxis to the target locations in less than 6. THAT is institutionalized incompetence on a scale that is difficult to comprehend. Then, instead of doing the smart thing and telling the media to go the hell away, they proceeded to let their plans be divulged in the minutia by the media glare.

The police decided to take the traditional way to deal with barricaded suspects. You establish a perimeter and wait for the Calvary. In hindsight that was the worst things they could have done, and a reasonable intelligent leader would have been able to figure that out. Of course, the head of the Mumbai anti-terror squad managed to get himself whacked on the way to the scene.

In the beginning I was defending them, but really I did some research, and the performance was dismal, even by the standards of the budgets involved.
 
I wonder though if gassing the nariman house would be a better idea , since the child had escaped . Maybe we would have had a better chance of getting those buggers alive and saving the hostages , since it's a small place unlike the vast hotels.
 
Telegraph - UK
6 Dec 2008

The motto of India's Marine Commandos is "We dare to win." But their failure to prevent an attack by 10 terrorists on Mumbai has given rise to a different slogan: "Please send a fax."​

Modelled on the British Royal Marines, this force presents itself as an elite assault unit on permanent alert to strike the nation's enemies.

The attack on Mumbai should have been an ideal occasion for this rapid-reaction force to display its skills. When the terrorists raided the Taj Mahal Palace, they were barely a few hundred yards from the Indian Navy's Western Command headquarters, which includes a Commando base.

Yet for more than a hour after gunmen stormed this hotel and the Oberoi Trident, Marine commanders and Mumbai's city bureaucrats fought one-another.

The elite rapid reaction force demanded written orders before leaving the high brick walls of its headquarters. The delays allowed the terrorists vital time to consolidate their positions within the hotels. The Marines were eventually deployed after a verbal agreement that a faxed request from the state government would be sent later.

In the meantime, the poorly equipped Mumbai police and municipal guards were left to take potshots at the well-armed terrorists, who, it has emerged, had undergone a year's training in camps across the border in Pakistan.

Questions over how 10 men could seize the most prominent landmarks in Mumbai and then hold at bay the combined forces of the India security services for 60 hours have raged in the aftermath of the incident. Confidence in India's armed forces, intelligence agencies and the government itself has been badly shaken by a series of revelations.

The episode has shown that India is singularly ill-equipped to deal with modern terrorism. Its army and police are still based on the system created by the British Raj. Security spending has been criticised as wasteful and skewed towards protecting state leaders, not ordinary citizens. As in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in America on September 11, it has emerged that rivalry between different services resulted in vital clues being overlooked.

With 18 million people, Mumbai would be exceptionally hard for any security service to protect. The sprawling conurbation is one of the world's most chaotic. Every day tens of thousands arrive at its railway stations and bus depots to seek their fortune in its dynamic version of capitalism.

Experts are nonetheless damning about the India' security failures. "A city the size of Mumbai, with 18 million people, doesn't even have a SWAT [Special Weapons and Tactics] team or a helicopter available," said Ajay Sahni, executive director of New Delhi's Institute for Conflict Management. "At every stage there was complete institutional failure. You can't have a rapid-action force that takes seven hours to arrive. We're talking about an early 20th century police system trying to deal with a 21st century threat."

India has plenty of men in uniform. The key problem is that too few have the training and equipment to resist a determined terrorist - and those who do are caught in a thicket of bureaucratic constraints.

When two of the gunmen opened fire inside Mumbai's main railway station, the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, only one policeman fought back.

Jullu Yadav, a head constable, ran to one of his men who was frozen with terror and wrestled a .303 Lee Enfield rifle from his hands. This British-made, bolt action rifle dated from the Second World War. It remains a standard issue weapon for India's armed police.

Constable Yadav sheltered behind a column and fired at the attackers. But he admitted that he was no match for terrorists who carried modern, automatic weapons and conducted a shooting spree that cost more than 50 lives.

"It's been almost a year since I fired a gun," he said. "I did not even have a gun because there was a shortage. I asked my constable to fire but he was scared so I took his gun and fired two rounds at them. Though my heart was thumping and I was scared I wanted to return their shots."

Such heroism was not uncommon in the hours that followed. But myriad delays in getting trained forces in place to tackle the siege have been blamed for the heavy loss of life.

The Home Guards, a municipal militia equipped with Sten Guns - another weapon of Second World War vintage - were equally ill-prepared. Mumbai's Anti-Terrorist Squad suffered a severe blow when a vehicle carrying their men to the scene was ambushed by two terrorists. The car had no armour against bullets and the squad's leader, Hemant Kadare, and two senior lieutenants were killed instantly.

The website of the Indian Navy describes the Commandos as a highly trained counter-terrorism force. A platoon of the 2000-strong unit recently fought Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden.

Yet even when they managed the 200-yard trip to the Taj Hotel from their headquarters, the commandos were easily repulsed. More criticism has surrounded the deployment of the National Security Guards, the Indian equivalent of the SAS. It has just one base outside Delhi and had to be shuttled to Mumbai on an ageing Russian transport aircraft.

A full night of bloodshed had elapsed by the time its forces arrived at dawn on the day following the start of the attacks. "Initially we could not comprehend whether we were up against a bunch of motivated terrorists or trained commandos of another army," said one NSG soldier. "The extent of ammunition carried by the terrorists initially overwhelmed us."


Outside the Taj hotel, there was no clear chain of command. During lulls in the fighting, the security forces occasionally claimed victory.

A full 18-hours before the final terrorist was killed, General Noble Thamburaj, the commander of Indian forces in the south, inspected the scene with his wife. The couple went inside the Taj hotel. Within hours a fierce battle was raging again.

Security lapses at sea before the attack were equally grave. Although India's own intelligence intercepts and the American Administration had both given warning of a sea-borne assault, the Navy and Coastguard failed to act.

For a country that portray's itself as an emerging superpower, the Mumbai attacks were a humbling blow. Demonstrators vented their anger with their country's civilian and military leadership. One software tycoon said that Mumbia had reached a "tipping point."

A city that had gloried in its historic transformation has seen its confidence shattered. From Bollywood stars to street hawkers, uncertainty is the dominant mood. "Mumbaikars have just one question to ask all the politicians in this country who travel in the safe cocoon of class security," said Moneycontrol. com website. "What about us?"
 
one has to admire the calibre of your young boys who gave our nsg more than a fight.. using innocent people as shields is matter of great courage.. to decipher the competency as our commandoes based on how they decended from helicopters shows how imbecile you are.. we are not so used to living in an enviroment of terrorist as you are.. may be your commandoes take a lesson or two from the let that is why they are so good.. bravo..
 
one has to admire the calibre of your young boys who gave our nsg more than a fight.. using innocent people as shields is matter of great courage.. to decipher the competency as our commandoes based on how they decended from helicopters shows how imbecile you are.. we are not so used to living in an enviroment of terrorist as you are.. may be your commandoes take a lesson or two from the let that is why they are so good.. bravo..

Lets hold it at that Sir , no flames and no provocations - if the thread is about indian commandos tactics lets keep it that way.

Mud slinging will have most banned and thread closed.
 
It was a case of breathtaking institutional failure. The whole country knows as much.

However, you can't call the commandos incompetent if the bureaucracy failed them. They were a well-trained bunch and did a great job under the conditions given to them.

The incompetence in the assaults is not even necessarily a terribly important issue. All the commandos needed to be was relatively more competent than the terrorists. The issue was the time it took. Imagine for a moment that instead of targeting these big hotels, the terrorists chose a soccer game? A single untrained shooter with a glock 19 pistol killed 33 people and wounded 23 in 11 minutes at Virginia Tech before the police managed to get past chained doors and he shot himself. 10 terrorist with bombs and assault rifles could have easily killed 1500-2000 people so long as they picked target locations carefully.
The Issue is of course, none of the rich people in India would care if a couple thousand cheap-seaters got whacked. What the terrorist wanted was a media spectacle, and that is what they got.

It took 10 hours for DSG to even get to Mumbai, and then they sat around waiting for the Mumbai police to get buses. They could have taken taxis from base to the local airport, chartered a plane to Mumbai, and taken taxis to the target locations in less than 6. THAT is institutionalized incompetence on a scale that is difficult to comprehend. Then, instead of doing the smart thing and telling the media to go the hell away, they proceeded to let their plans be divulged in the minutia by the media glare.

The police decided to take the traditional way to deal with barricaded suspects. You establish a perimeter and wait for the Calvary. In hindsight that was the worst things they could have done, and a reasonable intelligent leader would have been able to figure that out. Of course, the head of the Mumbai anti-terror squad managed to get himself whacked on the way to the scene.

In the beginning I was defending them, but really I did some research, and the performance was dismal, even by the standards of the budgets involved.
 
Lets hold it at that Sir , no flames and no provocations - if the thread is about indian commandos tactics lets keep it that way.

Mud slinging will have most banned and thread closed.

i am not flaming but it hurts to see such insensitive statements made at a time when we should all unite against terror the last thing is to crititisize the very people who are trying to save lives..
 
one has to admire the calibre of your young boys who gave our nsg more than a fight.. using innocent people as shields is matter of great courage.. to decipher the competency as our commandoes based on how they decended from helicopters shows how imbecile you are.. we are not so used to living in an enviroment of terrorist as you are.. may be your commandoes take a lesson or two from the let that is why they are so good.. bravo..

Well done for your pointless post.....wanna direct that toward me too? Frankly you need to take things a bit less personally...unless you are one those guys falling out of the helicopter....
 
i am not flaming but it hurts to see such insensitive statements made at a time when we should all unite against terror the last thing is to crititisize the very people who are trying to save lives..

yes you are flaming........
 
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