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I think those guys had already roped down....in which case they should have already been clearing the building. I have no way to show you the kind of speed you need other than a movie..but it is relatively accurate.watch the Delta assault

YouTube - Black Hawk Down
 
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I think the media screwed things up for the commandos too.

I mean they are showing the commandos landing from the choppers. How stupid, someone must've informed them about it.

Asim the guys inside would have had the TV drowned out by the helo outside...The SAS learned the media lesson from the Iranian embassy siege. So you are right that they should have locked down the area first.
 
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Asim the guys inside would have had the TV drowned out by the helo outside...The SAS learned the media lesson from the Iranian embassy siege. So you are right that they should have locked down the area first.
I was thinking along the lines, that was a helo really necessary?

Don't these commando guys know how to climb a building from an obscure corner while no one is looking?
 
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To quote the NY Times "In Mumbai millions live without running water or proper sanitation, 4,000 people die in commuter train accidents every year, and you want a world-class counter-terrorism unit?" Sorry, you are not going to get it. Those CT operators were sub-par by western standards. Hell, they were sub-par by the standards of western light-infantry or SWAT units. But given the condition of the city, I think that they might have had other priorities. I am sure that given a similar budget, lots of CT groups would have problems producing results any better. They did what they could.
 
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To quote the NY Times "In Mumbai millions live without running water or proper sanitation, 4,000 people die in commuter train accidents every year, and you want a world-class counter-terrorism unit?" Sorry, you are not going to get it. Those CT operators were sub-par by western standards. Hell, they were sub-par by the standards of western light-infantry or SWAT units. But given the condition of the city, I think that they might have had other priorities. I am sure that given a similar budget, lots of CT groups would have problems producing results any better. They did what they could.

Well maybe they should stop pouring millions into vanity projects like the LCA and Arjun and train their troops properly....There are quite obviously going to be more incidents like this.
 
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Since 1970, there have been over 4,000 terrorist attacks in India. Stuff like this has happened in the past, and yes, will continue in the future. But, it is going to need to get a whole hell of a lot worse for deaths by terrorism to even begin to approach the numbers of deaths caused by poor infrastructure. As for vanity projects... The known threat (Terrorism) is always less scary than the potential threat (Foreign Aggression).
 
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Since 1970, there have been over 4,000 terrorist attacks in India. Stuff like this has happened in the past, and yes, will continue in the future. But, it is going to need to get a whole hell of a lot worse for deaths by terrorism to even begin to approach the numbers of deaths caused by poor infrastructure. As for vanity projects... The known threat (Terrorism) is always less scary than the potential threat (Foreign Aggression).

You logic fails when you consider how much had to paid out to cover for the failure of the vanity projects. The unknown external threat is being addressed by buying in...There was no need for the vanity projects other than ego. Now having said that a single jet aircraft would have funded a very good CT training program.

Simple...stop making excuses......train the peple properly and maybe there won't be as many debacles.
 
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Calling the LCA a vanity project is ignoring the fact that huge amount of knowledge was gained without having to rely on foreign state backed actors. *Cough-Cough...China...Cough-Cough* Anyway, that aside, you are correct, a few jet aircraft do amount to a decent CT program. It was very certainly an oversight on the part of the Indian Parliament (Or whoever decides these things) not to give the units in question more funding.Given the amount of foreign attention focused on India because of the attacks, I get the feeling that the CT program might become a new vanity project... Hopefully that will fix the issue, then maybe they can get to work on the whole running water/ vermin suppression thing.

P.S I'm not trying to excuse incompetence, merely state that even given the event, it is entirely possible there were better things to spend money on.
 
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Pure unadulterated Anti-Semitism is rampant in India today. The BJP, VHP, Mr. Adhvani and Mr. Modi are all Hitler admireres. However the Israeli government has close ties with the govenment of India.



it took the MARCOS commandos three chopper trips to be dropped like dead Turkeys on the rooftop of the Chabad House. Hindu Anti-Semitism: Indian Commandos ignore & kill Jews? Deep rooted hatred of Jews in Gujarat & India. Rupee News broke the story of the incompetence of the crack Indian commandos call MARCOS and the Black Cats. We also reported the story of the Indian Commandos first delaying their entrance into the Chabad Center, then killing the Jews and finally covering up their tracks. Now the story is also been corroporated by the Zaka Rescue group that had flown in from Turkey to assist the Jewish hostages.



The picture below is very revealing. To the untrained eye, the soldier is showing professionalism by hangin on to the rope. In actuality, the picutre displays total incompetence.

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1) The chopper should not be used in a situaion where the soldiers can get to the top of the building by other means.

2) The man is literally hanging on to the rope. It is not a controlled descent.

3) Coming down the rope is a complex matter which requires intensive training. This commandos who dropped on the top fo the Chabad House were untrained. Please note the dangling feet of the commandos. They are supposed to be tightly wrapped aound the boot of the commando so that he controls his fall not only with his hands but also wit his feel.

4) After repeatedly watching the video of the commandos dropping on the roof of the Chabad House we saw the India commandos literally drop by force of gravity and were literally hangin on to the ropes without any control.

5) An experienced commando has stop his fall on the rope at any time. These commndos just dropped showing a total lack of training.

This PR exercise was very revealing not only about the state of the Indian nation, but also about the readiness of the Indian armed forces, particularly the commandos who are supposed to the elite.



The embarressed Indian establishment and the already chagrined Israeli government is up in arms (Foreign Ministry furious at Zaka’s Mumbai ‘meddling’ Says public criticism of Indian commandos could have serious diplomatic repercussions). It had wanted to keep the story of the indexterity, undeftness, ineptitude of the Indian commandos under wraps. This was not to be. Now the truth is out. Indian commandos killed the Jews.



Many Israelis feel that it is reprehensible that the India’s Government would not provide any security to the Chabad Center in Mumbai. Was Anti-Jewishness responsible for the lack of security at the Niraman House.

-Israeli counterterrorism experts are critical of how Indian security forces handled last week’s terror attacks in Mumbai, especially their raid on the local Chabad center, Nariman House. Haaretz

-Above all, the attack is a “huge failure of the Indian defence establishment, surprised in the heart of their financial capital Jerusalem Post

-“In hostage situations, the forces are supposed to first assemble at the scene and begin collecting intelligence. In this case, it appears that the forces showed up at the scene and immediately began exchanging fire with the terrorists instead of first taking control of the area,” noted a former official in the Shin Bet’s security unit in The Jerusalem Post.

-Shin Bet is Israel’s general internal security agency, while more famous Mossad handles overseas intelligence. Haaretz, another major Israeli newspaper, noted how in the first several hours after the Mumbai incidents, the response of the Indian authorities was “slow, confused and inefficient”. As a result, the first forces sent to the scene were “inexperienced local police officers, who suffered many casualties”.

Onlookers at the Nariman House were allowed to watch from a few feet away, hampering police operations. A night counterattack was nixed, reportedly because it was too dark: The attackers had night-vision goggles, the police didn’t.



Although lacking forensic tools to determine the time of death, Mr Weingarten was quoted as saying that his team’s observations led him to believe that “some of the hostages were killed on Wednesday (when gunmen first entered the building), some on Thursday, and some on Friday morning (during the start of the commando raid)”.

Zaka officials believe that in a final act of love, the director of the Chabad House, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, wrapped the body of his wife Rivka in a tallit (prayer shawl) before succumbing to his own wounds during the final hours of the siege, it said.

The volunteers on the scene found the bodies of Israeli grandmother Yocheved Orpaz (62) and Jewish Mexican national Norma Shvarzblat Rabinovich (50) bound to one another with a phone cord.

Meanwhile, the Indian foreign ministry held a briefing “to convey the deepest condolences of the Government of India to those countries whose nationals were killed in the terrorist attack in Mumbai.” Heads of mission from these countries were present in the briefing. “They were also informed of details of the terrorist attack and the investigation so far,” the ministry said.

Possibly following the briefing, the Israeli government slammed the Zaka group for alleging that Indian commandos might have inadvertently killed one or more Jewish hostages during the Nariman House operation, saying the “irresponsible” comments could cause considerable damage to bilateral ties.

“They are causing all kinds of problems,” a senior Israeli foreign ministry official said about the six-member team of the Zaka voluntary group that flew on Thursday “on its own volition” to Mumbai for a rescue operation after the deadly terror strikes.

“They are selling all kinds of stories to journalists looking for stories, and taking credit for things they didn’t do,” the official told The Jerusalem Post. It remains a mystery why India has allowed a clearly unauthorised group from Israel to carry out its self-styled rescue at the site of a mind-boggling crime. Usually such sensitive sites are sealed off to visitors till official investigations are underway. Reports from Jerusalem Post (Jerusalem Post - Jerusalem, Author: HERB KEINON, Date: Dec 2, 2008) and Pakistani Dawn

Both the Isreali government and the Indian government are tight lipped about the fiasco and many talk of a coverup.



The chopper hovering over a two story building makes great news feed, however it adds no value to the any hostage rescue. The choppers are too noisy and give ample warning to the hostage taking criminals. Security analysts believe that a better approach would have been to try to engage the hostage takers and then storm the small building by stealthily and silently climbing on to the roof of the building. It took the commandos 12 hours to strom the building. Why did it take so long?


:pop: .. Nice, there are small bits of articles, but the rest wasent written by anybody else, it is purely your opinion. Whatever there is no point in trying to argue with you. But, I would still like to clarify things. The Commandos have done a great job. Other wise they could have just released some kind of a "Gas" and killed half most of the people inside. The Taj alone had 500 rooms, and it's a maze inside. You could get lost inside of it on any given day. Clearing the hostages was the primary objective of the commandos at all the locations. Hence the whole operation took a long time to be declare as finished.
Now, to the point of the commandos being airdropped on the Jewish centre, it was purely to save time. Remember that the Nsg commandos are stationed at New Delhi, they had to be flown all the way from Delhi. And once they landed at the Mumbai airport, they would lose time in travelling all around the city to reach this place. Hence, as soon as they landed at the airport, a chopper was waiting for them, that airdropped them onto the jewish centre within minutes.
It as simple as that.

And sir, you even tried to evaluate the leg position of the commandos and posted a pic of it. Well for your information, the pic you posted is of the first commando landing onto the roof. It is always difficult for the first commando to get out of the chopper. He drops onto the ground and holds the rope tight , and stablises it, so that the other commandos find it eaisier to slide down the rope. The first commando, always the most experienced, does not have the luxuary of a stableised rope, hence looks a little different.

And do you sir know the skill it takes a gigantic helicopter like the mi-17 for an airdrop at such a terrain and to hover at your rooftop!!! .. I can very proudly say, the INDIAN COMMANDOS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
 
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Their commandos looked really incompetent to be honest. US Swat teams (police) could do better than these so called 'elite commandos'. They were crouching and hanging around on the roof for so long one would think it was a tea party up there.
 
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:pop: .. Nice, there are small bits of articles, but the rest wasent written by anybodThe Commandos have done a great job. .. I can very proudly say, the INDIAN COMMANDOS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.

:rofl: Buddy! your commandos under training has been exposed shamelessly!! I sympathize with you and respect your patriotism but now no foreign visitor will really be feeling safe knowing that if they get stuck in such a hostage situation in India, they will ask the terrorists to kill them before your incompetant commandos do! :rofl:

The spec op tactics used in this entire operation were shoddy and immature and displayed ill-planning on part of your local government!
 
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I can very proudly say, the INDIAN COMMANDOS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

3 days indian commandos couldnt take control of 10 terrorists, what are they gonna do against our army ?? lol

Indian commandos are worse then our boy scouts.

Truth is that they couldnt have done a worse Job.

Put indian commandos on fear factor , the whole world will see the show then:bounce:
 
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Now, to the point of the commandos being airdropped on the Jewish centre, it was purely to save time. Remember that the Nsg commandos are stationed at New Delhi, they had to be flown all the way from Delhi. And once they landed at the Mumbai airport, they would lose time in travelling all around the city to reach this place. Hence, as soon as they landed at the airport, a chopper was waiting for them, that airdropped them onto the jewish centre within minutes.

LOL, isn't it their job to save lives are opposed to time?:crazy: Besides it's not like they were terribly quick to react either. Why wasn't local law enforcment trained to deal with this situation? There were 10 guys! In teams of 2, all of them didn't even have assault rifles! Some had pistols! Perhaps the most important city and some 10 crimnals manage to do all this. Talk about a lot of hot air and nothing else...
 
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Even with the above fact of incompetence shown by the elite Indian commando's, instead of being addressing the real issue of incompetence, they are busy blaming others(Pakistan). Pathetic.

So what next? Is ISI responsible for that too:disagree:
 
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