In Naval War With China, India Would Be No Pushover

[karl wang]

Weird that you don't understand the difference between Defensive vs Attacking warfare!

Comments from our newspaper, it's also my view about Indians:
"印度似乎分不清何为外交、何为战争，对外交的局限、边界的严肃性以及实力原则都稀里糊涂的。这几乎是一个国际社会的文盲在闯世界，它最终不碰个头破血流才怪。"
It seems India can't understand what is diplomacy, war, diplomatic limitations, boundaries of seriousness and strength principles. An illiteracy of international society gets into in the world, it won't grow up until bump his head on a steel and get bleeding.

 

[Imad.Khan]

IN is hoping to have the Vikrant in service by 2020 but knowing India it will be more like 2022-2023.
Ok, let me give you that in this case.

Let us make a comparison between PLAN and IN additions between now and 2020:

1. 1 70,000 tonne aircraft carrier(PLAN) versus 1 40,000 tonne carrier for IN - PLAN Win

2. 6 Type 55 12-13,000 tonne Cruisers and 7 8,000 tonne Type 52 destroyers(PLAN) versus 2 destroyers for IN

- PLAN Win by many magnitudes

3. 3 Type 95 SSNs versus say 1 Akula 2 from Russia - PLAN easy win.

Can you not see that as time goes by that IN will keep falling behind?
Unless India economy starts growing much faster than Chinese one for many decades and India can produce it's own weapons then IN will fall further and further behind PLAN.

Seriously, I know everyone is nationalistic but the idea of IN being any more than a nuisance to PLAN from around 2025 onwards is a complete and utter joke.

From around 2025-2030 onwards, the worlds Oceans will be contested between the USN and PLAN.

I agree that China has alot more goodies than India could muster. But in war there are few other things that need to be taken into consideration. Realistically if there is a war between the two countries, one thing is for sure India will not be sending it vessels to attack China because that will be a suicide mission. So the most likely scenario would be naval battles taking place in and around Indian ocean. Now India would have the below listed advantages.

1. Logistics wise it would be favourable for India as they will be closer to their own shores and could reinforce/resupply quicker
2. They could also utilizes their coastal defences and air force while Chinese will only have limited jets to assist them
3. India will be able to throw in alot more ships into the battle while Chinese will only have what they bring with them.
4. If China does bring a big fleet they will be detected days before they get close enough to battle with India so the surprise factor is also gone and it will give India ample time to prepare.

So my unbiased view is that India will win even if China is able to give it a bloody nose.

 

[j20611]

its called a bumper cover you dipshit, and if you actually know anything about cars you would know the actual metal bumper doesn't extend all the way to the side of the car. What do you think when a tensioned bike wheel hits a plastic bumper cover, use your pea brain to work it out. Also what does a car have anything to do with naval power anyways

Their technical incompetence is thoroughly exhibited by their lack of ability to put into service any tank fighter jet or even assault rifle

 

[#hydra#]

I agree that China has alot more goodies than India could muster. But in war there are few other things that need to be taken into consideration. Realistically if there is a war between the two countries, one thing is for sure India will not be sending it vessels to attack China because that will be a suicide mission. So the most likely scenario would be naval battles taking place in and around Indian ocean. Now India would have the below listed advantages.

1. Logistics wise it would be favourable for India as they will be closer to their own shores and could reinforce/resupply quicker
2. They could also utilizes their coastal defences and air force while Chinese will only have limited jets to assist them
3. India will be able to throw in alot more ships into the battle while Chinese will only have what they bring with them.
4. If China does bring a big fleet they will be detected days before they get close enough to battle with India so the surprise factor is also gone and it will give India ample time to prepare.

So my unbiased view is that India will win even if China is able to give it a bloody nose.

Any su27/30 varient will be dangerous than any mig29 varient. So you can do your own analysis what will happen in a battle of lionong vs vicky outcome.

 

[Sam Vaish]

What really surprises me is that he is supposed to be from Singapore!..positively a false flagger no doubt..but hey, its the MODS job to clear that out...in the meantime he will be exposed every time.

Guys, he is pretending to be Singaporian but in fact he is a Pakistani. He is ashamed to show his identity.

When we are ready,we will beat shit out of india!!!You better fire as quick as possible that is your only chance!!!!!

Hey man if you are ready, then what stopping you, why have you been waiting for two months, and beat the shit out of us! Are you pretending to be some kind invisible forces. I bet you when time comes, you will be as good as Pakistan. If China has spine try your luck, you will be picking up your pieces boy.

 

[UKBengali]

We are not stupid to even remotely entertain the thought we can take the fight to China. We have no thought of taking the fight to it and won't do it.

Similarly, all the cheer-leaders who think they will have a free for all roaming around in Indian Ocean by China need a reality check.
The only feasible way is Malacca straits and they are treacherous for our enemies. It's not a boast of our capabilities but the geographical god-send we have. Call it luck or anything else, if Andaman & Nicobar was not over looking Malacca straits, the story would have been very very different.



A balanced post & I agree with you.
Do remember though. China is adding hardware & so is India. Theatre is always changing but what does not change is the strategic importance of locations.

The biggest problem of any attack is the logistics - Who ever manages logistics better, they win the war.

Logistics is the single reason why USA acceded to Pakistan demands. Pakistan helps USA logistics into Afghanistan and US gives them a lot of value in return.

Once we agree to the fact that logistics are the single most aspect of any attack warfare, then we can move on to discussion of what China needs to do to get it's logistics in order to wage a war against India.
I would love to know your opinions of how China would have handle the logistics across Himalayas or Indian Ocean.

Do you know what kind of force China will be able to send to IOR within 10 years?

It will be 2 carriers carrying around 150 aircraft, 6-8 Type 55 cruisers, 6-8 Type-52D destroyers and 3-4 Type 95 SSNs.

Andaman and Nicobar wil be hit by many hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles beforehand and so whatever survives can easily be dealt with by the PLAN task force.

Simply PLAN will be roaming IOR at will.

 

[ChennaiDude]

its called a bumper cover you dipshit, and if you actually know anything about cars you would know the actual metal bumper doesn't extend all the way to the side of the car. What do you think when a tensioned bike wheel hits a plastic bumper cover, use your pea brain to work it out. Also what does a car have anything to do with naval power anyways

First..like many of your comrades who jump in like yellow monkeys in the middle and ask question to what is this got to do with that!...Let me explain..Go and understand the meaning of a BUMPER and WHY IT IS NEEDED..Hint (Protection for the driver and passenger)..and FYI!...Metal bumpers are of the past...As far as Naval power...you need to go all the way back in this post and ask your comrades this question..Deflection is something you guys are really good at...not go flush yourself down the toilet.

Apparently you lose the ability to comprehend facts when you stop eaten ng beef and start humping it.

http://www.gammaxbicycle.com/
The bumper was probably made by retarded company called TATA
Going back to topic real junks are the two Indian navy ships that were capsized and exploded without even leaving port!
Thank you come again!

Now now..Junkman...did I offend your yellow ego!..Awww..Now go and collect your 2 cents from your MASHTER..We know...Made In China is as good as a condom..use and discard.(One use only)

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Guys, he is pretending to be Singaporian but in fact he is a Pakistani. He is ashamed to show his identity.


Hey man if you are ready, then what stopping you, why have you been waiting for two months, and beat the shit out of us! Are you pretending to be some kind invisible forces. I bet you when time comes, you will be as good as Pakistan. If China has spine try your luck, you will be picking up your pieces boy.

US good dog can only bark~~~~~~~~~ See my profile photo who has been beaten shit out ,you said you are no more 1962,prove it!!!!!

 

[UKBengali]

Not unless you want karachi harbor to get lit up like in 1971



Chinese subs are way behind US in operational capability and technology
You do not win wars with ballistic missiles. Let alone AShBMs. It is unproven weapon.

Google Type 95 SSN all electric drive.

 

[desimorty]

Do you know what kind of force China will be able to send to IOR within 10 years?

It will be 2 carriers carrying around 150 aircraft, 6-8 Type 55 cruisers, 6-8 Type-52D destroyers and 3-4 Type 95 SSNs.

Andaman and Nicobar wil be hit by many hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles beforehand and so whatever survives can easily be dealt with by the PLAN task force.

Simply PLAN will be roaming IOR at will.

All of which will need to swim across the narrow stretch of Malacca straights. It only works if they are already in the IOR. Even if they are. The Indian airforce, navy are going to be their biggest threat, they would be on the defensive.

Google Type 95 SSN all electric drive.

China this, China that. When the Chinese built their first nuclear subs, they radiated their crew. Were unfit to leave port. So yea...theres a reason why countries whom can buy other than Chinese do. Areas where the Chinese are good are artillery, and ballistic missiles. But lets say, that Chinese nuclear subs are great. Are they in large numbers to actually poise a significant threat to India? USN is still geared towards Russias SSN aresenal, and conventional submarines.

 

[salimpheku]

Do you know what kind of force China will be able to send to IOR within 10 years?

It will be 2 carriers carrying around 150 aircraft, 6-8 Type 55 cruisers, 6-8 Type-52D destroyers and 3-4 Type 95 SSNs.

Andaman and Nicobar wil be hit by many hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles beforehand and so whatever survives can easily be dealt with by the PLAN task force.

Simply PLAN will be roaming IOR at will.

This one sided view is where the problem is.

You can hit Andaman & Nicobar with Million missiles and they will still be there, where as the thousands of Brahmos placed on these Islands will absolutely sink any ship PLA sends here.

And btw, Do you know what kind of Navy India will have in 10 years? Do you know what kind of missiles we will have?

One simple fact no one is considering, PLA will have little air support for it's ships in Malacca straits but India can send it's Air force as well as an attacking force.

In short, no matter how big PLA becomes, it can't do crap at Malacca straits.
Why do you think they want OBOR and CPEC so badly?

 

[UKBengali]

This one sided view is where the problem is.

You can hit Andaman & Nicobar with Million missiles and they will still be there, where as the thousands of Brahmos placed on these Islands will absolutely sink any ship PLA sends here.

And btw, Do you know what kind of Navy India will have in 10 years? Do you know what kind of missiles we will have?

One simple fact no one is considering, PLA will have little air support for it's ships in Malacca straits but India can send it's Air force as well as an attacking force.

In short, no matter how big PLA becomes, it can't do crap at Malacca straits.
Why do you think they want OBOR and CPEC so badly?

You consider 100 modern fighters little air support? These fighters will be part of a CBG that will include more than a dozen cruisers and destroyers, accompanied by the latest SSNs.

Do you know that there is another route into Indian Ocean that does not even use the Malacca straight? It is between Indonesia and Australia and will only take 2-3 extra days sailing. Please spend a little time looking at a map once in a while

Brahmos? This is not a magic missile and can be handled by the multiple layers of defences that the escorts and carriers will carry. Not saying that one or two may not get through but the Chinese fleet will be relatively unscathed by this weapon.

Andaman and Nicobar Islands are 1000km away from India and so mainland aircraft will have to land on the Islands and then fly into battle. Just how many airbases can India build to house additional aircraft? These airbases are fixed and will be prime targets for the Chinese fleet and ballistic missiles launched from China proper. Expect most of these fixed assets to be destroyed in a conflict. Let us assume that somehow India lands 100 fighters on these Islands, which magically all survive the hundreds of Chinese ballistic and cruise missile barrage, and then has another 50-60 based on it's aircraft carriers, it is not much of an advantage over the Chinese fleet. I am not even going to bother bringing in the far superior Chinese escorts like cruisers and SSNs.

India should stick to fighting with Pakistan as China is way above it's league.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Once we start to induct submarine in numbers China will become sitting duck in India ocean and malaca we can easily chok their trade

Just keep remember of DF-21D, all your navy is already sitting duck in Indian ocean, it shall be a turkey shot and witness a navy-less India...LMAO

 

[salimpheku]

You consider 100 modern fighters little air support? These fighters will be part of a CBG that will include more than a dozen cruisers and destroyers, accompanied by the latest SSNs.

Do you know that there is another route into Indian Ocean that does not even use the Malacca straight? It is between Indonesia and Australia and will only take 2-3 extra days sailing. Please spend a little time looking at a map once in a while

Brahmos? This is not a magic missile and can be handled by the multiple layers of defences that the escorts and carriers will carry. Not saying that one or two may not get through but the Chinese fleet will be relatively unscathed by this weapon.

Andaman and Nicobar Islands are 1000km away from India and so mainland aircraft will have to land on the Islands and then fly into battle. Just how many airbases can India build to house additional aircraft? These airbases are fixed and will be prime targets for the Chinese fleet and ballistic missiles launched from China proper. Expect most of these fixed assets to be destroyed in a conflict. Let us assume that somehow India lands 100 fighters on these Islands, which magically all survive the hundreds of Chinese ballistic and cruise missile barrage, and then has another 50-60 based on it's aircraft carriers, it is not much of an advantage over the Chinese fleet. I am not even going to bother bringing in the far superior Chinese escorts like cruisers and SSNs.

India should stick to fighting with Pakistan as China is way above it's league.

They are going to get their CBG along with their fighters "through" Malacca straits to fight India?

I am astonished that you even think this is feasible buddy.

Regarding Andaman & Nicobar being that far off, that's what makes it less risky and no, in Malacca straits all these multiple layers of defence is not possible.
In fact getting a CBG through Malacca straits is suicidal at best of times. I am not going to spoon feed you the reasoning behind this fact. Do bit of research on how CBG are moved and look at Malacca straits again.

 

[UKBengali]

They are going to get their CBG along with their fighters "through" Malacca straits to fight India?

I am astonished that you even think this is feasible buddy.

Regarding Andaman & Nicobar being that far off, that's what makes it less risky and no, in Malacca straits all these multiple layers of defence is not possible.
In fact getting a CBG through Malacca straits is suicidal at best of times. I am not going to spoon feed you the reasoning behind this fact. Do bit of research on how CBG are moved and look at Malacca straits again.

Do you even bother reading posts properly?

PLAN can enter Indian ocean by sailing between Sumatra and Java and hence bypassing the Malacca Straight. This is only 2-3 extra days sailing and is nothing for a CBG that has an edurance of 90 days.

Unless you think that Indonesia wil challenge the PLAN to try to help India?

Just keep remember of DF-21D, all your navy is already sitting duck in Indian ocean, it shall be a turkey shot and witness a navy-less India...LMAO

I did not bring in DF-21D as Indians think it does not work.